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Post #390401  Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 4:17 pm 
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I think Villa stand a very good chance to win the Europa Conference league. I'd be happy for Emery if he did. They are in the semis and hopefully will be the 2nd English club in as many years to win it. Rice can say he has a European medal.

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Post #390402  Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 4:22 pm 
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BBC running a piece on the fire sale at Man U and how much some key players are valued at. Obviously everyone can debate values and really a player is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for them - but I always have 1 big bug bear with this. Players who cost an absolute fortune and fail to deliver in any way at all seem to still carry a value based on their previous transfer value.

Anthony for example, he cost Man U £90m, here he's valued at £63m, obviously a decent drop off from where he was quite rightly so. But if Man U had signed Anthony for a much more reasonable £20m, would he be valued at £63m based on his performances for Man U? of course not, so why his valuation of £63m is based probably 90% of his previous transfer value not his realistic value and current ability.

I would suggest that the actual values of the top 5 in that list would be 50% of what is shown here. The same for Onana and McTominey.

I saw another report saying Rashford could be available for 75 million. Even at that price I wouldn’t touch him with bargepole. He’s on 325k a week so walks through the door as our top earner, chuck in the fact he’s so inconsistent


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Post #390403  Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 5:12 pm 
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So does Khan stay this week or go? What do we reckon


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So does Khan stay this week or go? What do we reckon


Unfotunately I think he'll stay. There will be a very low turnout I fear as there have been mentions of the current elections but you could hardly call it widespread?


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Post #390405  Posted: Thu May 02, 2024 7:54 pm 
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How many Spurs games do you see where Ange basically subs out his entire central midfield? It happens all the time. Its clear to me that all of them are far too inconsistent


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How many Spurs games do you see where Ange basically subs out his entire central midfield? It happens all the time. Its clear to me that all of them are far too inconsistent

They have totally ballsd up their top 4 hopes

It’s brilliant. That geezer is gone next season too. Cycle continues


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How many Spurs games do you see where Ange basically subs out his entire central midfield? It happens all the time. Its clear to me that all of them are far too inconsistent

They have totally ballsd up their top 4 hopes

It’s brilliant. That geezer is gone next season too. Cycle continues

20 points behind us currently and last season they finished 24 points behind us, I wouldnt bet against us being more than 24 points ahead of them this season. no gap has been closed.

The same cycle happens every year with Spurs, they win their first 3 games of the season and the media go doolally and start talking about an outside title challenge, then people realise that that initial good start was built on sand, they got some lucky results - the metrics always catch up with you.


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No chance this spurs team take anything off City. Maybe if Ange actually had more than one tactic and he sat back against them and used the pace of Son, Johnson etc on the break they might just have a chance.


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How many Spurs games do you see where Ange basically subs out his entire central midfield? It happens all the time. Its clear to me that all of them are far too inconsistent


Madison may be the best of the lot

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I'm surprised at the Villa scoreline. Oh well.

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In the 70s when I started going as a 10 year old next to junior gunners section there was a large amount of Irish gooners withe permanent Tri-colour on display


Absolutely Danny. There were a lot of Irish in North London in those days - far more than there are now. We also had a really impressive Irish contingent on the playing staff. in no particular order - Brady, Stapleton (spit), O'Leary, Devine, Quinn. Good players.


Don't forget Jennings, Rice and Nelson! Won the '79 cup final with six Irishmen playing. Lost the following year with seven on the field.

And no, the moral of the story is not the less Irish players you have, the better your cup final chances...


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Another Spurs loss, yippee !

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Spurs beaten by their former manager. That's got to hurt. To be fair didn't Graham beat us when he was managing Spurs? I wonder how he was received by the fans?

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No shame in losing to early '70s Ajax. However, generally speaking the English sides seem to have done way better in the '70s up to the ban in the '80s than after the ban. Why do you suppose?


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Post #390415  Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 5:26 am 
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So when those divs play city their champions league qualification hopes will be dead anyway like I said it would.


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Post #390416  Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 6:23 am 
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Always good to see the annual moving of the goalposts for Spurs. Over hyped and under perform as always.


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Post #390417  Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 6:24 am 
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There are genuinely spurs fans out there, and many many of them who would take every single one of their back 4 and gk ahead of our defence.


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Totally rational post by the media for spurs earlier this season


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Post #390419  Posted: Fri May 03, 2024 7:26 am 
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Saka 15 goals 12 assists in the league
Foden 16 goals 7 assist in the league


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So does Khan stay this week or go? What do we reckon
Here's one Khan I can vote for.

https://youtu.be/2hUUAa-OKmU

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thofman wrote:
DHD wrote:

Absolutely Danny. There were a lot of Irish in North London in those days - far more than there are now. We also had a really impressive Irish contingent on the playing staff. in no particular order - Brady, Stapleton (spit), O'Leary, Devine, Quinn. Good players.


Don't forget Jennings, Rice and Nelson! Won the '79 cup final with six Irishmen playing. Lost the following year with seven on the field.

And no, the moral of the story is not the less Irish players you have, the better your cup final chances...


Sammy Nelson showing his arse to the North Bank was a classic memory.


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Depending on this weekend's games Man Utd may go into our game having to win. Newcastle and Chelsea are striking distance.
I'd prefer if they had nothing to play for league wise and look ahead to the cup final.

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Saka 15 goals 12 assists in the league
Foden 16 goals 7 assist in the league


So?

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Bournemouth are a dangerous side and we can't take them lightly. I think since about week 12 of the season I read they were 5th for most points. They set up in a compact 4-4-2 block and make it hard for you to play through them, they are well drilled, and offer a proper threat the other way. We need to be at it from the first minute.


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Saka 15 goals 12 assists in the league
Foden 16 goals 7 assist in the league


So?

So....they are pretty close in their stats accounting for Saka taking some penalties, but their seasons are being reported quite differently. I think if you look at the importance of the goals or assists Saka is one of the best in Europe - based on his goals/assist being the first in a game or an equaliser in a game - not stat padding with the 5th in a 5-0 win.


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Bournemouth are a dangerous side and we can't take them lightly. I think since about week 12 of the season I read they were 5th for most points. They set up in a compact 4-4-2 block and make it hard for you to play through them, they are well drilled, and offer a proper threat the other way. We need to be at it from the first minute.


My fear (and guess) is we will start out slow and be outplayed. Possibly even going a goal down. If we score early we take the foot off the gas too much and concede an equalizer. After back to back wins over our biggest local rivals, a sense of complacency may creep in. I hope not but its not unheard of.

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https://www.football365.com/news/totten ... een-better

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I recall the Spurs are contenders for the title videos and such. They were insistent they would finish above us. They had beaten City before and can now compete with them. I remember saying, get through xmas to January and lets see.

Those articles didn't age well.


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Rich wrote:
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So?

So....they are pretty close in their stats accounting for Saka taking some penalties, but their seasons are being reported quite differently. I think if you look at the importance of the goals or assists Saka is one of the best in Europe - based on his goals/assist being the first in a game or an equaliser in a game - not stat padding with the 5th in a 5-0 win.

Examples? Saka has been lauded by all the media as one of the best players in the EPL?

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Bournemouth are a dangerous side and we can't take them lightly. I think since about week 12 of the season I read they were 5th for most points. They set up in a compact 4-4-2 block and make it hard for you to play through them, they are well drilled, and offer a proper threat the other way. We need to be at it from the first minute.


Trossard & Jesus are needed for such defences. They can dribble past such tight spaces, and they run to find spaces. Martinelli is currently off-form, runs into defences instead of away from them, and not making pin-point passes. Not sure who to come out for Jesus cause Havertz is playing very well nowadays. Perhaps only one of Rice, Partey or Jorginho, but not 2 of them. We need Jesus to give their tight defence something to think about. With Partey, they will simply wait for his pass forward to intercept.

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I really hope we consider Zirkee. Ideal for us in my humble opinion.

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Post #390432  Posted: Sat May 04, 2024 4:22 am 
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Bournemouth have only lost 2 league games since February. One nil to City at home, the score line suggests it was a tough game for City and they lost at Fulham which has become a speed bump for good sides thinking they can go there and get an easy 3 points. The rest of their games they have obviously drawn or won.

Hoping the title chasing thinking Arsenal shows up. If so, we'll be more than okay. If not, it could be a tough afternoon physically even if we win.

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2022 we were 5th, 2020 and 2021 we were 8th. For the life of me (as my mother used to say) I can't understand why anyone would think we 'bottled it' in 2023? It was a completely unfair assessment. I also think if it was any other 5th placed team with the possible exceptions of Man Utd or Chelsea...possibly they wouldn't have used the term bottled it if they had the same exact season.

Only reason why I use those 2 is they have had fairly recent success in the league in the top 2 or 3 going back the last decade in the top 3.

But I use the term possibly. I think the narrative would likely have been they fought hard but City had too much. We haven't been top 4 since 2016.

Anyway, I never thought we'd be champions this season. I thought we'd be better at challenging for the title and get through April still in contention but behind. We are one City draw away from being back in it. That's remarkable.

Next season I do think its possible we will be leading going into the final 2 games. This will depend on injuries. I continue to say Timber will be a huge positive effect on us and will turn out to be our best fullback. This video makes some very good points. Had we had Partey, Jesus and Timber more available, we'd have a far better record in the league and possibly be in a cup final right now.

I don't think Martinelli being out was as bad because Trossard is very good replacement. I do think we should have used Smith Rowe more and Reiss Nelson as well.


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Whisper this quietly but I think Timber will have a better relationship with Saka than Ben White will. I love Ben White but I think Timber will be more dynamic.

We do need a top left back though and Timber can play there with the advantage of moving inside on his stronger foot.


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...one more thing. I didn't know till I saw that video that Isak and Ødegaard played together at Real Sociedad. Hmm...I wonder if Ødegaard is lobbying for him or has been asked about him?

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So when those divs play city their champions league qualification hopes will be dead anyway like I said it would.

Yes, it was always a faint hope that Spurs would do something useful.

Today's games ... Both look like home win bankers, but neither Wolves nor Bournemouth are mugs. I'm sure Wolves will create chances against City, they just need them to fly in and for City to have one of those days.

Anyway, we can still hope.

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So does Khan stay this week or go? What do we reckon
Here's one Khan I can vote for.

https://youtu.be/2hUUAa-OKmU

Great stuff. She had some serious pipes on her.

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Rich wrote:
Always good to see the annual moving of the goalposts for Spurs. Over hyped and under perform as always.

Spurs are lucky that Chelsea, Newcastle and United have been so inexplicably poor.

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I think today could be tougher than either Chelsea or Spurs. Big challenge.


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