Half the problem is that the kits are now every 12 months so they aren't creating innovative new designs simply churning out new crud because they are running out of ideas.

The other problem we have at some point is that we will inevitably go down the route of having a sleeve sponsor like the other clubs are looking at and that will look *%^@ on our lovely white sleeves.

Apparently, Chris Willock is going to join Benfica's B team. Seems like a very strange move.

Guilty ....... okey dokey ...... but Christopher you said originally ...... " anyone ACCUSED should have their assets frozen " ...that includes a multitude of people . Electricians , builders , gas fitters , ceiling contractors etc etc

I haven't followed this case at all so I'm only thinking on the run here ..... so you say inferior cladding is to blame

Did the cladding start the fire ...?

I'd have thought the cladding is to protect the integrity of the steel stop it twisting out of shape and collapsing

To my way of thinking ; once a tower block full of cheap curtains , furnishings , carpets , bedding , clothes gets into full swing the finest cladding in the world is going to make little difference .

You might want to change this

........ " the robber runs into a crowded restaurant so let's open fire with a heavy machine gun and a couple of rocket propelled grenades ; happy you've got the guilty party " type approach .

Doesn't matter one iota to the rest of the world but the Kiwis won the America's Cup .

I think it's because we are such a poxy little country we are going ape sh*t over this achievement . We don't tend to be aligned to just one sport but take in an interest in all things NZ .

Just the David and Goliath battle our paltry little 36 million dollar budget ...we had the smallest budget of everyone involved in the regatta , Oracle probably spent more on morning teas for their 130 strong contingent ....... it's the equivalent of Andorra winning the soccer world cup .

Ellison had Oracle people running around in the middle of the night tearing down NZ flags .......suck it up Larry .

The problem with your way of thinking is that it is complete bollocks as usual.

The fire spread up the side of the building very rapidly transmitted by the cladding. It wouldn't have "gone into full swing" without the cladding. By the time most of those poor souls knew what was going on there was no escape for them. This would not have been the same if it had been simply fire transmitting between flats inside the block which would have taken a long time and the fire brigade would have been able to extinguish before it got near the the top floors from the fourth where it started.

Cladding on tower blocks has been a known problem for decades. Devoted away fans - Hoy I'm sure - will remember the market at Upton Park station with the huge James Sinclair Point looming over it creating an even more intimidatory atmosphere for those off to see the Spammers. That had to be decanted and demolished in the early 1990s because a fire started and transmitted vertically. In this case it was actually concrete cladding but it formed a kind of chimney sending flames UP the side of the building and igniting the flat above. If in addition to the chimney effect you also have non fire resistant insulation material between aluminium sheeting you are effectively encasing the block in a giant vertical accelerant which is what happened at Grenfell.

You're welcome.

The UK Govt is not paying more money in here to "keep things sweet." That's totally inaccurate.

TG, Irish nationalists held the "balance of power" back in 1885 where they supported Gladstone over the conservatives. This was used to advance the cause of Home Rule for Ireland (something like devolution today).

The deal is definitely grubby - 100 million a vote - but it would be churlish ofme not to welcome extra money for the region where infrastructure lags well behind the rest of the UK and Rep.Ireland. The majority of the money spent by the UK for a long time went on security issues and of course the Republic has benefited from its membership of the EU and the money diverted there.

Ooooh can't you be a hurtful little brute given the chance ......... but quite right after posting I had a beer with a neighbour who sells paint , fire retardant coatings etc ... he told me the same , quality cladding doesn't catch fire , was going to redress my mistake but thought I'd wait for Chris to reply

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Particularly odd given how many good wingers and attacking midfielders Benfica have at that age group already. That said, it seems to be an issue with the family. His older brother Matthew jumped ship to Man U at 16, and his younger brother hasn't signed the pro contract he's been offered either. Given how Chris in particular has been bigged up by the manager, and how Europe League football should provide lots of opportunities for the kids, its seems very strange indeed. Worst of all, because he's going abroad, we get almost no compensation.

Any country that produced Neil Finn, Richard Hadlee, Barry Briggs, Katherine Mansfield, John Waker and Peter Snell is alright by me.

Chris wasn't going to bother to reply but has to say your description of freezing the assets of every Tom Dick and Harry as not being amusing. However I still feel the assets of those that put up the cladding who had a duty of care should be frozen. Not the suppliers unless it can be shown they that they stated it was suitable for cladding Tower blocks.

Don't forget Glenn Turner.

Matty Willock was actually released (not offered a pro contract)

Surely, Edmund Hillary is New Zealand's most celebrated figure. And of course an annoying and seemingly endless production line of world class rugby players.

Indeed - one of the greats. Almost as good as Kumar Sangakkara.

Don't you think they made a mountain out of a mole hill over his achievement?

I'll get your coat.....

I could feel you Tensing up over that joke...

Now that was funny. I've put the coat back on the hanger.

Hodd, get on the next flight to Belgium

Aaah what it is to have friends on here ,

Surprised given your tennis bent you missed your boyhood hero Anthony Wilding from that list of Kiwi greats

Okay so you were only seven when he won his first of Wimbledon's in 1910 ...... but four Wimbledons and two Aussie opens in singles . one Aussie , four Wimbledon doubles titles shouldn't have skipped your memory
Helped win the Davis Cup four times when we combined with our mates from across the ditch . Killed in France WW1

Have this while you fit that final screw to the rake handle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmQlBfxh4Us

Should also be noted Hillary , not Trump was involved

Ah yes, of course. My mistake.

Saul Niguez showing why Wenger put in more than bid for him 2 years ago (and indeed might have got him had Athletico not been hit by a midfield injury crisis that thrust him into the team), with a brilliant hat-trick for Spain U21s (5 goals in 3 games in the tournament). Lovely player.

Rumours gathering pace on Lemar. He'd be a top addition. Theo just doesn't seem to fit into this system but did score a lot of goals from the right wing. Think it's time to sell him. I reckon we'll get Mahrez if Theo leaves. Would be an upgrade especially if we get the 2015/16 version.

Ahh bejesas Dec....yous get your fair share so you do ...

Tony O' Reilly , Willie John McBride , Brian O' Driscoll .... one every twenty years or so