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Post #360801  Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:22 pm 
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Looking good (so far)

But less so now. Sigh.

Not sure that should've stood, looks like he scored with his arm? Anyway, a draw hurts Leicester more than us. Two points dropped for West Ham is still a good result for us if it stands.


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Post #360802  Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:25 pm 
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But less so now. Sigh.

Not sure that should've stood, looks like he scored with his arm? Anyway, a draw hurts Leicester more than us. Two points dropped for West Ham is still a good result for us if it stands.

You’re right. It’s been a brilliant weekend for us.

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Post #360803  Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:01 pm 
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I’ve seen mentions of the difficulty of each club’s remaining games. I’ve put together what I consider the hardest fixtures of those clubs who I perceive as having a good chance of finishing fourth. I’m sorry but I’m not looking at Wolves as having a good enough chance of a top four finish to be included. People may well disagree with me writing Wolves off like this, for reasons I understand. But I just don’t see them as having a good enough chance to look at their remaining matches.

What I’ve done is taken the games each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United have against Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United. Once again, I’m not including any remaining games against Wolves as worthy of inclusion. Again, some may disagree with me on that, but it’s the decision I’ve taken, wrong or right.

ARSENAL
Manchester United (h)
West Ham (a)
Tottenham (a)
Chelsea (a)
Liverpool (h)

WEST HAM
Liverpool (a)
Tottenham (a)
Chelsea(a)
Arsenal (h)
Manchester City (h)

TOTTENHAM
Manchester City (a)
Manchester United (a)
West Ham (h)
Liverpool (a)
Arsenal (h)

MANCHESTER UNITED
Manchester City (a)
Tottenham (h)
Liverpool (a)
Arsenal (a)
Chelsea (h)

I therefore perceive each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United as all having five really difficult matches left. Of course, they are all likely to drop points in games against others in the league. But as things stand, numerically I don’t perceive there being a material difference in the difficulty of those four clubs remaining games.


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Post #360804  Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:27 pm 
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I therefore perceive each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United as all having five really difficult matches left. Of course, they are all likely to drop points in games against others in the league. But as things stand, numerically I don’t perceive there being a material difference in the difficulty of those four clubs remaining games.

If anything, our set of top fixtures look slightly easier in comparison. We've played City twice and have Liverpool at home. Chelsea away is a tough one obviously.

Both Man Utd and Tottenham have to play both City and Liverpool away, while West Ham have Liverpool and Chelsea away and also a home game against City. The head-to-head fixtures among the challengers for top four will be hugely important this season.


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Bernard wrote:
I’ve seen mentions of the difficulty of each club’s remaining games. I’ve put together what I consider the hardest fixtures of those clubs who I perceive as having a good chance of finishing fourth. I’m sorry but I’m not looking at Wolves as having a good enough chance of a top four finish to be included. People may well disagree with me writing Wolves off like this, for reasons I understand. But I just don’t see them as having a good enough chance to look at their remaining matches.

What I’ve done is taken the games each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United have against Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United. Once again, I’m not including any remaining games against Wolves as worthy of inclusion. Again, some may disagree with me on that, but it’s the decision I’ve taken, wrong or right.

ARSENAL
Manchester United (h)
West Ham (a)
Tottenham (a)
Chelsea (a)
Liverpool (h)

WEST HAM
Liverpool (a)
Tottenham (a)
Chelsea(a)
Arsenal (h)
Manchester City (h)

TOTTENHAM
Manchester City (a)
Manchester United (a)
West Ham (h)
Liverpool (a)
Arsenal (h)

MANCHESTER UNITED
Manchester City (a)
Tottenham (h)
Liverpool (a)
Arsenal (a)
Chelsea (h)

I therefore perceive each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United as all having five really difficult matches left. Of course, they are all likely to drop points in games against others in the league. But as things stand, numerically I don’t perceive there being a material difference in the difficulty of those four clubs remaining games.

Also worth noting that Arsenal have two games in hand on Man U. So if you put aside those 5 difficult fixtures, we have two easier ones in which to gain an advantage.

It's all to play for. I'd be most worried about Man Utd as they have the best squad.

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I therefore perceive each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United as all having five really difficult matches left. Of course, they are all likely to drop points in games against others in the league. But as things stand, numerically I don’t perceive there being a material difference in the difficulty of those four clubs remaining games.

If anything, our set of top fixtures look slightly easier in comparison. We've played City twice and have Liverpool at home. Chelsea away is a tough one obviously.

Both Man Utd and Tottenham have to play both City and Liverpool away, while West Ham have Liverpool and Chelsea away and also a home game against City. The head-to-head fixtures among the challengers for top four will be hugely important this season.

Also worth noting Man U and West Ham have European matches, although I suspect Man U will only have 2 more. Spurs and West Ham are still in the FA Cup as well


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Hazuki wrote:
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I therefore perceive each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United as all having five really difficult matches left. Of course, they are all likely to drop points in games against others in the league. But as things stand, numerically I don’t perceive there being a material difference in the difficulty of those four clubs remaining games.

If anything, our set of top fixtures look slightly easier in comparison. We've played City twice and have Liverpool at home. Chelsea away is a tough one obviously.

Both Man Utd and Tottenham have to play both City and Liverpool away, while West Ham have Liverpool and Chelsea away and also a home game against City. The head-to-head fixtures among the challengers for top four will be hugely important this season.

It’s also worth noting that of the five hardest (as I perceive them) games each of Arsenal, West Ham, Tottenham and Manchester United have left, in every case they all have two at home and three away. So arguably there’s nothing numerically in the split of home and away matches that benefits or disadvantages anybody.


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Post #360808  Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 10:01 pm 
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Norton-Cuffy started and was man of the match for Lincoln this weekend. Young right back for us, physically he’s ahead of his age which will help him transition in to mend football, particularly lower league men’s football.


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Post #360809  Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:26 pm 
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I've made a call. Leicester will get a result.


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Post #360810  Posted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:28 pm 
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4th place very much in our hands right now…..and if only to demonstrate how good a position we’ve put ourselves in that actually 3rd place is in our own hands. Far fetched I know but win our games in hand and beat Chelsea and we’d be ahead of Chelsea


Been saying 3rd place is possible IF we kept beating the teams below us and drawing against the challengers and Chelsea falters a bit. Dropping points against Burnley was unforgiveable.

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I have very little doubt you all congratulate Kroenke for their Super Bowl win. Also, your "sister" team, the LA Rams on their being "world champions". Hahaha..I'm in a troll kinda mood today.

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...I've learned from the best. :42laughter:

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Good that Kronke’s Rams won the Super Bowl. Hopefully it gives him a taste for success and a desire to focus on another of his franchises!


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I wouldn't count on that. I said this a long time ago. He had to make a good faith effort to make the Rams good. That was his 'unofficial' agreement with the NFL in giving him the LA franchise.

Notice how these same Rams couldn't make the playoffs in St. Louis, but all of a sudden are in the Super Bowl twice in the last few years, playoffs every year and all of a sudden one of the best teams in the league? It's not a coincidence.

He can (and should have done) do the same for us. He just doesn't want to. He moved to LA, he is hands on with the team. When was the last time Stan has been to a game? FA cup final maybe?

On a sidenote, the Super Bowl was a bit of a David & Goliath affair. Rams should have won by more than they did.

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...he also did the City/Chelsea approach. Buy the best players he could for the positions. He didn't build young players from the uni ranks like most teams. He picked off the best players from other teams, especially weaker NFL teams.

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Post #360816  Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:10 am 
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This would be my hastily put together team of the season so far:
Ramsdale
Trent Alexander-Arnold, Dias, Rudiger, Cancelo
Bernardo Silva, Rice, Foden
Salah, Jota, Bowen

Subs: Sa, Laporte, Gabriel, Tomiyasu, Rodri, Gallagher, Raphinha, Dennis

From an Arsenal perspective you could make a case for White, Emile Smith Rowe and Saka as well


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Rich wrote:
This would be my hastily put together team of the season so far:
Ramsdale
Trent Alexander-Arnold, Dias, Rudiger, Cancelo
Bernardo Silva, Rice, Foden
Salah, Jota, Bowen

Subs: Sa, Laporte, Gabriel, Tomiyasu, Rodri, Gallagher, Raphinha, Dennis

From an Arsenal perspective you could make a case for White, Emile Smith Rowe and Saka as well

I would say there’s more of an argument for Ødegaard than Smith Rowe.


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Spurs and Conte was always going to be an interesting one to see how it played out. For me it was fairly obvious that due to the quite short contract length signed and Conte's history that he would likely jump ship as soon as he wasn't backed in the market in the way he wanted. Spurs HAD to sell Kane in the summer for me. Even if it was 'just' £100m rather than the higher price they wanted.
Of curse they needed to invest the money well, and given they signed Gil and Royal for a combined £50m+lamella there is every reason to say they'd have likely failed in that.

When I look through the Spurs squad I'm struggling to see where the future is. Their best players are their oldest players (or want out), Kane, Son, Lloris, Dier, Moura. Their central midfield Hojberg, Skipp, Winks, Bentacur is a midfield where you only really want one of those in the team as a deep lying play-maker or combative ball winner but for me none of them are good enough. They have problems at wing back and lack creativity. It looks like the sort of weak and unbalanced squad filled with poor recruitment we had 3-4 years ago.
Compare Spurs squad in age order against Arsenal's and just look at the difference in talent in players aged 24 or under.....it is chalk and cheese
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tottenh ... verein/148
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/fc-arse ... /verein/11

Conte was probably the right manager for Man U, is ego is big enough to handle it and Man U were probably more likely to give him the spend he needs/wants.


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https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manches ... verein/985

And then on to Man U. They have the ability if they want to spend their way out of this, but looking at their squad, the majority of their main players are 27 or over. Greenwood may be lucky to play professional football again, wan-bisaka is not good enough, Sancho should come good but has gone backwards, ditto rashford. McTominey would have probably been moved on if he wasn't home grown - not good enough.

Then I just look at their players and set up every game, it was particularly damning that Hassenhuttel said something like "It is well known Man U are not good going in reverse" ie: tracking back and without the ball. It is totally true, Ronaldo can't press - he's from an era where forward pressing wasn't a thing. and Rashford, Sancho and Greendwood are all poor defensively and off the ball. There was a reason Southgate was picking Saka ahead of Sancho for England at the Euros - Southgate is a conservative manager and he demanded that protection from his wide men.

Defensively De Gea may make saved but he's not a modern GK, he's not great with the ball at his feet, doesn't sweep up and stays glued to his line any time the ball is in the box so can't relieve pressure. Every other country in Europe is laughing at the fee paid for Maguire. The guy is simply not a top CB for a club with trophy ambitions. He's slow, immobile and can't defend high up the pitch so you can't compress space with him in the side. Wan-Bissaka is another example of Man U almost being lazy in the transfer market and simply purchasing the flavour of the month from another prem team. He's good at sliding tackles but adds nothing offensively. Man U can't even try the lop sided formation we have that allows Tomiyasu to tuck in and not have to do the traditional overlapping full back role because Wan-Bissaka is so poor on the ball generally. Man U's central midfield has been pretty woeful for years, and now they are relying on two strikers with a combined age of 73 years old. Signing Ronaldo was a complete vanity signing with zero thought behind it.

We may still end up not pipping Spurs or Man U for 4th but when I look at the state of the squads and the general play, systems and tactics - and potential for all 3 squads we are absolutely miles ahead.


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Hey Rich. Did you write this article? :laughing7:

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... Jzu9SwdHv4

The incidents didn’t even rate a mention in the Times report on the game. We do seem to draw the short straw repeatedly.

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Rich wrote:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united/startseite/verein/985

And then on to Man U. They have the ability if they want to spend their way out of this, but looking at their squad, the majority of their main players are 27 or over. Greenwood may be lucky to play professional football again, wan-bisaka is not good enough, Sancho should come good but has gone backwards, ditto rashford. McTominey would have probably been moved on if he wasn't home grown - not good enough.

Then I just look at their players and set up every game, it was particularly damning that Hassenhuttel said something like "It is well known Man U are not good going in reverse" ie: tracking back and without the ball. It is totally true, Ronaldo can't press - he's from an era where forward pressing wasn't a thing. and Rashford, Sancho and Greendwood are all poor defensively and off the ball. There was a reason Southgate was picking Saka ahead of Sancho for England at the Euros - Southgate is a conservative manager and he demanded that protection from his wide men.

Defensively De Gea may make saved but he's not a modern GK, he's not great with the ball at his feet, doesn't sweep up and stays glued to his line any time the ball is in the box so can't relieve pressure. Every other country in Europe is laughing at the fee paid for Maguire. The guy is simply not a top CB for a club with trophy ambitions. He's slow, immobile and can't defend high up the pitch so you can't compress space with him in the side. Wan-Bissaka is another example of Man U almost being lazy in the transfer market and simply purchasing the flavour of the month from another prem team. He's good at sliding tackles but adds nothing offensively. Man U can't even try the lop sided formation we have that allows Tomiyasu to tuck in and not have to do the traditional overlapping full back role because Wan-Bissaka is so poor on the ball generally. Man U's central midfield has been pretty woeful for years, and now they are relying on two strikers with a combined age of 73 years old. Signing Ronaldo was a complete vanity signing with zero thought behind it.

We may still end up not pipping Spurs or Man U for 4th but when I look at the state of the squads and the general play, systems and tactics - and potential for all 3 squads we are absolutely miles ahead.

Interesting analysis, and I agree the future looks bright, especially if we do manage to get back into the CL. CL football, and a sense of a club on the rise, should make us a lot more attractive to the kind of player we want.

I still just fancy United to pip us for 4th because of their squad depth. One could imagine that injuries or having to rotate a couple of their 'star' players might actually improve them.

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Hey Rich. Did you write this article? :laughing7:

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... Jzu9SwdHv4

The incidents didn’t even rate a mention in the Times report on the game. We do seem to draw the short straw repeatedly.

Social media will be full of this kind of stuff from Arsenal fans for the rest of the season, simply highlighting the instances where we appear to be the only ones to fall foul of such nuanced law enforcing.


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Interesting analysis, and I agree the future looks bright, especially if we do manage to get back into the CL. CL football, and a sense of a club on the rise, should make us a lot more attractive to the kind of player we want.

I still just fancy United to pip us for 4th because of their squad depth. One could imagine that injuries or having to rotate a couple of their 'star' players might actually improve them.

The bump in the project getting CL this year could do for us is immense. I can't think that was the target this year but certain things have aligned to make it a real opportunity. If we did get CL we have key contracts for Saka, Martinelli and Saliba coming up to 2 years left, CL would surely persuade them all to sign on. We're also going to need a couple of strikers this summer, offering them CL would be highly beneficial. And there is the guaranteed income that those games bring. CL, contract renewals, 2 strikers, a central mid a back up RB, Saliba back, and a few extra faces to build depth and things look very exciting.


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3 games in hand on West Ham and 2 points behind. Technically those 3 games in hand are spurs (a), Liverpool (h) and Chelsea (a) - so I don't think we can put too much weight on the games in hand just yet.


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Decaf wrote:
Interesting analysis, and I agree the future looks bright, especially if we do manage to get back into the CL. CL football, and a sense of a club on the rise, should make us a lot more attractive to the kind of player we want.

I still just fancy United to pip us for 4th because of their squad depth. One could imagine that injuries or having to rotate a couple of their 'star' players might actually improve them.

I’m a little more confident than you about us getting fourth rather than Manchester United. Our biggest problem is not finding a striker from somewhere in January. At his best Lacazette wasn’t a top level player, and he’s now even worse than he was at his best. Nketiah is even worse.

Maybe Martinelli or Smith Rowe could do a job up front? For all the deserved criticism of Ronaldo being a past it has been, he’d still walk into Arsenal’s first team.


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Interesting analysis, and I agree the future looks bright, especially if we do manage to get back into the CL. CL football, and a sense of a club on the rise, should make us a lot more attractive to the kind of player we want.

I still just fancy United to pip us for 4th because of their squad depth. One could imagine that injuries or having to rotate a couple of their 'star' players might actually improve them.

I’m a little more confident than you about us getting fourth rather than Manchester United. Our biggest problem is not finding a striker from somewhere in January. At his best Lacazette wasn’t a top level player, and he’s now even worse than he was at his best. Nketiah is even worse.

Maybe Martinelli or Smith Rowe could do a job up front? For all the deserved criticism of Ronaldo being a past it has been, he’d still walk into Arsenal’s first team.


100%.

Cavani, rashford and martial would too. I do wonder if we could see Smithers up front at some point. Like I said a few days back I think you’ll see an experiment at some point.


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dec wrote:


It's all to play for. I'd be most worried about Man Utd as they have the best squad.


I keep reading this but I disagree. There are many average players in their squad. I think their large price tags is causing people to overestimate them.

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It's all to play for. I'd be most worried about Man Utd as they have the best squad.


I keep reading this but I disagree. There are many average players in their squad. I think their large price tags is causing people to overestimate them.

It's more a case of the lack of depth in ours. A couple of injuries to our midfield for example and suddenly Bernard's list of difficult games gets a lot longer.

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Bernard wrote:
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Interesting analysis, and I agree the future looks bright, especially if we do manage to get back into the CL. CL football, and a sense of a club on the rise, should make us a lot more attractive to the kind of player we want.

I still just fancy United to pip us for 4th because of their squad depth. One could imagine that injuries or having to rotate a couple of their 'star' players might actually improve them.

I’m a little more confident than you about us getting fourth rather than Manchester United. Our biggest problem is not finding a striker from somewhere in January. At his best Lacazette wasn’t a top level player, and he’s now even worse than he was at his best. Nketiah is even worse.

Maybe Martinelli or Smith Rowe could do a job up front? For all the deserved criticism of Ronaldo being a past it has been, he’d still walk into Arsenal’s first team.

I'm actually more worried about midfield. The options up front are not that confidence inspiring (Martinelli, Pépé at a pinch) but if we lose two of our central midfielders we seemingly have to resort to playing Ødegaard and Smith Rowe, which I don't think has actually worked yet, or moving White to midfield..

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Rich wrote:
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Interesting analysis, and I agree the future looks bright, especially if we do manage to get back into the CL. CL football, and a sense of a club on the rise, should make us a lot more attractive to the kind of player we want.

I still just fancy United to pip us for 4th because of their squad depth. One could imagine that injuries or having to rotate a couple of their 'star' players might actually improve them.

The bump in the project getting CL this year could do for us is immense. I can't think that was the target this year but certain things have aligned to make it a real opportunity. If we did get CL we have key contracts for Saka, Martinelli and Saliba coming up to 2 years left, CL would surely persuade them all to sign on. We're also going to need a couple of strikers this summer, offering them CL would be highly beneficial. And there is the guaranteed income that those games bring. CL, contract renewals, 2 strikers, a central mid a back up RB, Saliba back, and a few extra faces to build depth and things look very exciting.

4th would be a huge bonus and I agree with your analysis that we would be well placed to take advantage.

Obviously it is vital for the project to at least get into the Europa, so 5th or 6th would not be below par. But .. I must say, the Europa league would feel like a letdown ... I haven't missed it one bit.

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but if we lose two of our central midfielders we seemingly have to resort to playing Ødegaard and Smith Rowe, which I don't think has actually worked yet, or moving White to midfield..

Starting Smith Rowe and Ødegaard together didn’t work too badly against Tottenham. I don’t see why they can’t play together. I’m not saying they’re as good but Bergkamp and Pires never had any problem playing together and Smith Rowe often occupies the position Pires had and Ødegaard routinely has a deeper central role.


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Arsenal 'try out Gabriel Martinelli as No 9 in training' as Gunners consider the Brazilian forward's long-term position after Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang departure


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Bernard wrote:
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but if we lose two of our central midfielders we seemingly have to resort to playing Ødegaard and Smith Rowe, which I don't think has actually worked yet, or moving White to midfield..

Starting Smith Rowe and Ødegaard together didn’t work too badly against Tottenham. .

I forgot that one.

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It's all to play for. I'd be most worried about Man Utd as they have the best squad.


I keep reading this but I disagree. There are many average players in their squad. I think their large price tags is causing people to overestimate them.

They finished second in the league last season and added, Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo. The wheels totally came off for Solskjaer this season and they seem caught in between styles of play. I think the Greenwood thing has been difficult to manage too and who knows what impact it had within the squad. . They might just continue to stumble along but if Rangnick can get them playing coherently they will be considerably stronger than us.

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Decaf wrote:
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Starting Smith Rowe and Ødegaard together didn’t work too badly against Tottenham. .

I forgot that one.

Ya. But Tottenham employed a very odd tactic of putting nobody in central midfield for the first half of that game. The two lads are forwards. You could throw one of them into central midfield if you were stuck, but not both.

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dec wrote:
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I forgot that one.

Ya. But Tottenham employed a very odd tactic of putting nobody in central midfield for the first half of that game. The two lads are forwards. You could throw one of them into central midfield if you were stuck, but not both.

I’ve just never seen Smith Rowe as a central midfielder. Ødegaard as a central player, yes. But Smith Rowe as a central midfielder? No. I’m sure he’s played the majority of his games in a wide position. Probably the big majority. With Smith Rowe wide and Ødegaard central, I just don’t see why they can’t play in the same side.


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Bernard wrote:
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Ya. But Tottenham employed a very odd tactic of putting nobody in central midfield for the first half of that game. The two lads are forwards. You could throw one of them into central midfield if you were stuck, but not both.

I’ve just never seen Smith Rowe as a central midfielder. Ødegaard as a central player, yes. But Smith Rowe as a central midfielder? No. I’m sure he’s played the majority of his games in a wide position. Probably the big majority. With Smith Rowe wide and Ødegaard central, I just don’t see why they can’t play in the same side.

Crossed wires here, Bernard. I was referring to having the two of them in central midfield due to our lack of cover there, in response to Decaf's point.

The two of them in the same team as attackers is absolutely fine. I'd have Emile Smith Rowe ahead of Martinelli. I think that Arteta should rotate between Ødegaard, Emile Smith Rowe and Martinelli.

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dec wrote:
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I’ve just never seen Smith Rowe as a central midfielder. Ødegaard as a central player, yes. But Smith Rowe as a central midfielder? No. I’m sure he’s played the majority of his games in a wide position. Probably the big majority. With Smith Rowe wide and Ødegaard central, I just don’t see why they can’t play in the same side.

Crossed wires here, Bernard. I was referring to having the two of them in central midfield due to our lack of cover there, in response to Decaf's point.

The two of them in the same team as attackers is absolutely fine. I'd have Emile Smith Rowe ahead of Martinelli. I think that Arteta should rotate between Ødegaard, Emile Smith Rowe and Martinelli.

Yes, I was wondering what we would do if say Partey and Xhaka were both unavailable.

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