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Post #359121  Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:21 am 
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It’s a 6 pointer. They go above us with 2 games in hand. It would make it highly unlikely we would finish above them.

I'm not so sure about this, to be honest. They would have games in hand, but also a much tougher schedule in the second half of the season - they still haven't played Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Man United or Leicester away. We've gotten four of those fixtures out of the way. I think they also have a weaker team than we do.


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Post #359122  Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:24 am 
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The issue you have is there is too much football anyway, chuck in AFCON and that’s a major hit… add covid another major hit and players coming out of isolation not training and being asked to play immediately. It’s ridiculous

How much football has saka played recently. It can’t be a shock he’s picked up a knock

I’ve long felt that the Premier League should have eighteen clubs to make it a 34 game fixture list. But I don’t suppose those who think they might ever be relegated would vote for it.

Do other countries have two domestic cups, like England have the FA Cup and whatever the League Cup is called in any season?


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Post #359123  Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:26 am 
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The issue you have is there is too much football anyway, chuck in AFCON and that’s a major hit… add covid another major hit and players coming out of isolation not training and being asked to play immediately. It’s ridiculous
Difficult for someone of my generation to sympathise - brought up on a 42 match league; FA Cup and League Cup with replays to a finish; internationals played on the same day as league matches taking key players away. Nobody complained about too much football. I recall Jack Kelsey and Danny Clapton playing in an England v Wales match in the afternoon at Villa Park and then turning out against Juve in the evening at Highbury!

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Post #359124  Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:27 am 
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Anyway, shouldn't a decision have been made by now? Since it's a London derby it doesn't involve the same amount of travel as other fixtures, but the clubs and match going fans surely needs to know soon if the game is going to be played or not. With the rules the PL have set in these situations it shouldn't take long to investigate.


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Post #359125  Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:33 am 
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It’s a 6 pointer. They go above us with 2 games in hand. It would make it highly unlikely we would finish above them. The fact that Arsenal were happy to support liverpools request for postponement and spurs aren’t tells you all you need to know about the class of the clubs involved
They have never forgiven us for 10 March 1919. As for league placings, defeat or not there is almost half a season of football left after tomorrow, so despair not.

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Post #359126  Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:44 am 
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Some whispers that Kane is out for tomorrow. Can we withdraw our request for postponement? Tottenham without Kane and Son, we could play them for three days straight and they wouldn't score.


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Anyway, shouldn't a decision have been made by now? Since it's a London derby it doesn't involve the same amount of travel as other fixtures, but the clubs and match going fans surely needs to know soon if the game is going to be played or not. With the rules the PL have set in these situations it shouldn't take long to investigate.
They are waiting on Sue Gray's report...

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I’d rather watch a live sex show starring my grandparents...
I saw that one - don't bother...


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The issue you have is there is too much football anyway, chuck in AFCON and that’s a major hit… add covid another major hit and players coming out of isolation not training and being asked to play immediately. It’s ridiculous
Difficult for someone of my generation to sympathise - brought up on a 42 match league; FA Cup and League Cup with replays to a finish; internationals played on the same day as league matches taking key players away. Nobody complained about too much football. I recall Jack Kelsey and Danny Clapton playing in an England v Wales match in the afternoon at Villa Park and then turning out against Juve in the evening at Highbury!

You forgot to mention no substitutes and full blooded tackles (aka assault).

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Difficult for someone of my generation to sympathise - brought up on a 42 match league; FA Cup and League Cup with replays to a finish; internationals played on the same day as league matches taking key players away. Nobody complained about too much football. I recall Jack Kelsey and Danny Clapton playing in an England v Wales match in the afternoon at Villa Park and then turning out against Juve in the evening at Highbury!

You forgot to mention no substitutes and full blooded tackles (aka assault).
Yes, and the almost universal quagmire playing conditions during the hardest months of winter. Guys like Armstrong, Radford and Talbot would regard playing today as a jolly.

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old man of hoy wrote:
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The issue you have is there is too much football anyway, chuck in AFCON and that’s a major hit… add covid another major hit and players coming out of isolation not training and being asked to play immediately. It’s ridiculous
Difficult for someone of my generation to sympathise - brought up on a 42 match league; FA Cup and League Cup with replays to a finish; internationals played on the same day as league matches taking key players away. Nobody complained about too much football. I recall Jack Kelsey and Danny Clapton playing in an England v Wales match in the afternoon at Villa Park and then turning out against Juve in the evening at Highbury!

If you're talking about the 70s - and Talbot playing 70 games in 1979/80 during our endless-replays era - I hear what you're saying. But, as for the era of Kelsey and Clapton, there was no League Cup and no European football (for Arsenal, anyway). With barely 45 games a season (for Clapton, at least - did his one England cap really coincide with a match against Juventus the same evening?), the likes of those two were probably pleased to occasionally play a couple of games a day to relieve the endless football-less boredom of the rest of the year.

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Lots of reports that the NLD is called off


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Lots of reports that the NLD is called off


Confirmed.

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The NLD is the 20th game to be postponed, the first Arsenal have requested - not sure I heard too much analysis of squads and criticism at any of the other 19…..let’s see how this news goes down.


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Appalling decision

back in the day john Radford would have played a game in the morning, one in Africa in the afternoon whilst having bird flu and would have got fingered by jimmy saville as well. Games gone mad.


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Feels like a lot of the outrage from Tottenham is because they know they'd struggle to win against a full strength Arsenal side. Anyway, if the PL board decides it's within the rules, there's not much to say about Arsenal applying to get the game postponed.


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Arsenal website says NLD off.

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The NLD is the 20th game to be postponed, the first Arsenal have requested - not sure I heard too much analysis of squads and criticism at any of the other 19…..let’s see how this news goes down.

Sky deliberately took a stance on this last night and today because tomorrow's game is their prime event of the weekend. It is one thing that really bugs me about Neville. He has cultivated this image as this articulate, passionate commentator who is forthright in speaking his mind. In reality, he is a loud spokesman for Sky.

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Nothing would sum up the premier league more than Arsenal fielding an unprepared squad of 13 for a north London derby, getting smashed and sky pundits pointing out “tactical flaws” and not even mentioning the obvious.

*%^@ Neville and all these other moaning twats


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Be hilarious if the young Serb was signed in time for the rearranged fixture.

Happy it’s been postponed, a lot of energy expended at anfield.

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Nothing would sum up the premier league more than Arsenal fielding an unprepared squad of 13 for a north London derby, getting smashed and sky pundits pointing out “tactical flaws” and not even mentioning the obvious.

*%^@ Neville and all these other moaning twats

You can just see it, can't you. 'What is Miguel Azeez doing there? Him and Charlie Patino completely lost the midfield in the second half, shocking stuff from Arsenal, they won't get top 4 playing like this.'


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Post #359142  Posted: Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:19 pm 
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Hazuki wrote:
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Nothing would sum up the premier league more than Arsenal fielding an unprepared squad of 13 for a north London derby, getting smashed and sky pundits pointing out “tactical flaws” and not even mentioning the obvious.

*%^@ Neville and all these other moaning twats

You can just see it, can't you. 'What is Miguel Azeez doing there? Him and Charlie Patino completely lost the midfield in the second half, shocking stuff from Arsenal, they won't get top 4 playing like this.'

Neville is a huge critic of teams hoarding young english players and them not getting proper game time, so we send Balogun and AMN on loan to get that game time and then it is used against us in his criticism of getting a game postponed.

I'll say it again, 19 previous games have been postponed and not a single critical word was uttered or written by the mainstrem press and media.

Yes we're taking advantage of the rules, just as every other team has done, if anyone is looking to place blame look at the Premier League who should have made the rules clear from the start of the season. I have absolutely no doubt if everyone had been made to play every game no matter what we'd be in a stronger position in the league than we currently are.


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Just got back home from playing tennis. Feeling of relief at the news of the postponement.

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Hazuki wrote:
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Nothing would sum up the premier league more than Arsenal fielding an unprepared squad of 13 for a north London derby, getting smashed and sky pundits pointing out “tactical flaws” and not even mentioning the obvious.

*%^@ Neville and all these other moaning twats

You can just see it, can't you. 'What is Miguel Azeez doing there? Him and Charlie Patino completely lost the midfield in the second half, shocking stuff from Arsenal, they won't get top 4 playing like this.'

100%

Souness with a massive sour puss moaning

I found it ridiculous when he was slagging off the 18 year old kid for Leeds who made a cock up versus us on his debut when he was chucked in at the deep end.

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That result away at Everton is looking worse with each week that passes. I guess that they raised their game for us.

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Might just be that I haven't noticed it before because it doesn't get posted on Arsenal forums when it concerns other teams, but there's a huge wave of criticism against this desicion coming from supposed credible pundits and journalists. Has it always been like this?


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All these postponements suit one team in particular, Man City. They have a big squad with the smallest difference in quality between starting and 2nd 11. They’ve also been quite fortunate that none of their opponents on any particular week haven’t had to postpone, meaning they can play out their fixtures like a normal season. Add in that with the disruption of players isolating teams who have settled squads and long term managers will be better off. They will walk the league this season and it wouldn’t surprise me to see them finally win the champions league


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Might just be that I haven't noticed it before because it doesn't get posted on Arsenal forums when it concerns other teams, but there's a huge wave of criticism against this desicion coming from supposed credible pundits and journalists. Has it always been like this?

Well let’s put it this way. I can’t recall reading of a single complaint against any of the other teams up till now.

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Might just be that I haven't noticed it before because it doesn't get posted on Arsenal forums when it concerns other teams, but there's a huge wave of criticism against this desicion coming from supposed credible pundits and journalists. Has it always been like this?

It’s always been this way. I’ll never forget Mike Langleys ridiculous daily mirror hatch jobs when we had the audacity to Sign Dennis Bergkamp. Sour old *%^@

The one that sticks in my mind is after the old Trafford van horse face incident when the footballing world decided Arsenal were terrorists


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Not that bothered by the meeja reaction to Arsenal for the postponed match. Its up to the Premier League to decide whether or not we fulfilled their criteria. Any gripes should be taken up with them.


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I recall Jack Kelsey and Danny Clapton playing in an England v Wales match in the afternoon at Villa Park and then turning out against Juve in the evening at Highbury!
If you're talking about the 70s - and Talbot playing 70 games in 1979/80 during our endless-replays era - I hear what you're saying. But, as for the era of Kelsey and Clapton, there was no League Cup and no European football (for Arsenal, anyway). With barely 45 games a season (for Clapton, at least - did his one England cap really coincide with a match against Juventus the same evening?), the likes of those two were probably pleased to occasionally play a couple of games a day to relieve the endless football-less boredom of the rest of the year.
Yes 60s/70s/80s there were plenty of games in a season, though you are right about the Jack/Danny era, there were less. And yes, it is true about those two playing two games in a day - 2-2 draw in the Home International in Birmingham and then travelling back to London for a famous 3-1 win over Juve in the evening. Although it was a 'friendly' the match was taken seriously by both sides - Jack played with a groin injury and Danny played half the match. Over 50,000 attended - the win was big news at the time.

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Appalling decision

back in the day john Radford would have played a game in the morning, one in Africa in the afternoon whilst having bird flu and would have got fingered by jimmy saville as well. Games gone mad.
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Just got back home from playing tennis. Feeling of relief at the news of the postponement.

They let you out of Australia, then?

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Just got back home from playing tennis. Feeling of relief at the news of the postponement.

They let you out of Australia, then?

Threw me out more like. :icon_mrgreen:

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Might just be that I haven't noticed it before because it doesn't get posted on Arsenal forums when it concerns other teams, but there's a huge wave of criticism against this desicion coming from supposed credible pundits and journalists. Has it always been like this?

Well let’s put it this way. I can’t recall reading of a single complaint against any of the other teams up till now.

Had TalkShite radio on in the background as I pottered about yesterday evening, whose programming was basically an endless stream of idiots moaning about Arsenal and talking, well, shite. I put some music on instead, which I should have done in the first place.


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Martinez. Not at all helpful. Doh!!

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Martinez. Not at all helpful. Doh!!

Maybe he’ll start concentrating on his own performances instead of mentioning Arsenal every time he speaks. Decent gk but perhaps the 30 or so games he played between the end of that season with us and his start with Villa was the outlier in his performances. Don’t recall him being that great this year and that is an absolute howler today


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Martinez. Not at all helpful. Doh!!

Maybe he’ll start concentrating on his own performances instead of mentioning Arsenal every time he speaks. Decent gk but perhaps the 30 or so games he played between the end of that season with us and his start with Villa was the outlier in his performances. Don’t recall him being that great this year and that is an absolute howler today

The only games I watch in full are those involving Arsenal, Bayern in big games and Rangers when they play Celtic. So I haven’t seen the error by Martinez today and won’t until MOTD tonight. But Leno was and is a better keeper than him.


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Pleased to hear Watford got a late equaliser away at Newcastle. Would love to see Newcastle get relegated this season.


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