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Post #348441  Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:27 pm 
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Ceballos, Ødegaard, Luiz and Ryan formally released.

Shalke have released Kolasinac; he's still under contract so he may return.


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Post #348442  Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:33 pm 
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I've seen a few people talking about comparison between Leno and Onana. The general opinion is that in most GK attributes they are very similar, including their weaknesses. Opinion generally seems to be that Onana is a lot better with his feet and with his distribution.

If you take all that as true, and take it as true that Leno doesn't want to sign an extension AND that Arsenal are staying true to their blueprint of making decisions on players with 2 years left on their deal (sell or new contract) - then it makes sense to bring in Onana, sell Leno and make maybe £15m on the two deals to push in to other areas of the team.

My only concern with the likes of Leno and Xhaka leaving is that those weren't two players we desperately needed to get rid of, so all it does is add yet more transfer business that we need to do. A new GK is potentially a hard player to transition in to a team as well. In an ideal world you're back 4 and GK are well established as a unit for some time.


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Post #348443  Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:00 pm 
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DHD wrote:
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It’s an odd one because didn’t he leave chelsea because he didn’t like living in England.


Didn't he get sacked TG?

He was but I think the suggestion was he had a hugely impressive first season then told the board he hadn’t settled in London but somehow they convinced him to stay and sign a new contract then his second was a Mourinho style season where he was fed up, uninterested and practically nonchalant and they sacked him.


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I read Arsenal have an option to extend Chambers and Guendouzi's deal by an extra year. Both have contract's expiring in 12 months.
In Chambers case this makes sense. Unless a huge offer comes in for him he can be cover at RB and CB and count as a home grown player.
We're actively trying to reach an agreement with Marseille for Guendouzi so whilst there may be no need to extend his contract Marseille shouldn't get the knock down rate a player with only 1 year left on his deal would normally get because Guendouzi effectively has 2 years left


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DHD wrote:
Ceballos, Ødegaard, Luiz and Ryan formally released.

Shalke have released Kolasinac; he's still under contract so he may return.

Door slightly ajar perhaps?

All developments regarding players extending their contracts; joining/re-joining us; or leaving us will be officially communicated as soon as they are confirmed.

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Post #348446  Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:16 pm 
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Totally embarrassing the England fans booing last night however I can’t say I’m shocked by it. Having travelled to watch England play away in Berlin nothing really surprises me when it comes to the type of behaviour our fans exhibit especially away from home. The bombers song, IRA nonsense, fighting. A continual total embarrassment for the whole country


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Post #348447  Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:17 pm 
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As usual David squires nails it


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Florida Cup matches in the US late July in Orlando. After the Edinburgh trip mid July.
Players can work on their suntans before the Aug. 14 EPL start.


Very hot and humid over there in July - not much fun at all.

It will be hot and humid. Pool lounging at its finest. If any of them have time for that.

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Few reports around that we’ve made a £30m plus add ons bid for Buendia. Villa also in for him and have made a similar bid by all accounts.


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Didn't he get sacked TG?

He was but I think the suggestion was he had a hugely impressive first season then told the board he hadn’t settled in London but somehow they convinced him to stay and sign a new contract then his second was a Mourinho style season where he was fed up, uninterested and practically nonchalant and they sacked him.

Cost Chelsea £26.6M to sack Conte after he finished 5th in the PL and therefore failed getting into the CL.

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Few reports around that we’ve made a £30m plus add ons bid for Buendia. Villa also in for him and have made a similar bid by all accounts.


Suggestion is that Norwich will only accept an offer over 40million. Seems a lot right ?


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Totally embarrassing the England fans booing last night however I can’t say I’m shocked by it. Having travelled to watch England play away in Berlin nothing really surprises me when it comes to the type of behaviour our fans exhibit especially away from home. The bombers song, IRA nonsense, fighting. A continual total embarrassment for the whole country


I am glad to see the BLM scam getting the reception it deserves. High tome this pathetic activity was terminated.

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I’m not black nor am I from a minority so I accept I probably know little and understand less on this particular issue. I totally accept that knee thing is a mass gesture and it’s a collective message of dissatisfaction with which I and and everyone else should fully and freely associate ourselves. I’m happy to do so and I have.

I know it all started with a desire by a black American footballer to come up with a pointed response to the American national anthem which could set him apart from the celebratory and white-centred self-aggrandising themes of that song. Our national anthem is no better.

However, it has always seemed to me that whilst ‘taking the knee’ is an act of resistance, bending the knee is actually an act of subservience. There’s an odd contradiction for me.

Tommy Smith and John Carlos’ simple clenched fists were - and probably would be - so much more powerful, though probably more incendiary. No mixed messages there.

Not for me to say though.


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I’m not black nor am I from a minority so I accept I probably know little and understand less on this particular issue. I totally accept that knee thing is a mass gesture and it’s a collective message of dissatisfaction with which I and and everyone else should fully and freely associate ourselves. I’m happy to do so and I have.

I know it all started with a desire by a black American footballer to come up with a pointed response to the American national anthem which could set him apart from the celebratory and white-centred self-aggrandising themes of that song. Our national anthem is no better.

However, it has always seemed to me that whilst ‘taking the knee’ is an act of resistance, bending the knee is actually an act of subservience. There’s an odd contradiction for me.

Tommy Smith and John Carlos’ simple clenched fists were - and probably would be - so much more powerful, though probably more incendiary. No mixed messages there.

Not for me to say though.

I would imagine Zaha agrees with you, seeing that he stopped taking the knee.


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DHD wrote:
I’m not black nor am I from a minority so I accept I probably know little and understand less on this particular issue. I totally accept that knee thing is a mass gesture and it’s a collective message of dissatisfaction with which I and and everyone else should fully and freely associate ourselves. I’m happy to do so and I have.

I know it all started with a desire by a black American footballer to come up with a pointed response to the American national anthem which could set him apart from the celebratory and white-centred self-aggrandising themes of that song. Our national anthem is no better.

However, it has always seemed to me that whilst ‘taking the knee’ is an act of resistance, bending the knee is actually an act of subservience. There’s an odd contradiction for me.

Tommy Smith and John Carlos’ simple clenched fists were - and probably would be - so much more powerful, though probably more incendiary. No mixed messages there.

Not for me to say though.
No, if they wish to it is for anybody to say what they feel about this issue. The very public act of knee-bending is played out on our screens to invite us to think, and speak about racism. It is a subject relevant to all. Like you I think the clenched fist was much more powerful, and inspirational, than the bended knee. Many working-class people I know, and I include myself in this, find the gesture subservient. Being on our knees may help when playing with kids or doing the garden - anti-racism needs us to stand up tall.

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Kaepernick was originally sitting on the bench while the anthem was being played but a military vet who wrote him suggested he bend his knee so as not to disrespect the flag. The news sources like Fox don't say that part. Whether one agrees with him or not, his intention was not the disrespect military veterans. But the right in America conveniently will not say he chose to 'take a knee' specifically and now that I come to think of it, neither does the left. I come from a family of military vets, my eldest brother serving in Vietnam so I was a bit sensitive to it all but understood why.



I don't think the whole BLM thing means different things to different blacks who protest. Blacks in America may have some things in common with their British counterparts (perhaps over policing/police abuse) but also each have unique issues the other doesn't. And within those groups there are things they differ about in importance. BLM has also become an all encompassing phrase for anything deemed oppressive. In America, there were BLM marches in cities with very few Blacks (Salt Lake City, Utah for example, a Mormon enclave).

I don't know much about the British black experience but from what I gather from the news here, part of the protests are against historical figures they felt were racist, bigoted, etc. Not so much in America. They do, but its more endemic and systemic barriers.

When I first became a fan I was aghast at the openly anti semitic references to Tottenham. I recall when reading 'Fever Pitch' the writer said Arsenal probably has as much if not more Jewish fans but would repeat these chants. I never liked it or used it. I also was a bit sensitive to Arsenal, London and southern England fans calling northern England fans 'monkeys'. They weren't directing it to black fans which is what made me scratch my head at first because in America and on the continent 'monkey' references was directed at black players.

Not trying to sound holier than thou but I'm the same with anything I deem bigoted or anything that I see as bullying. I grew up with a cross cultural number of friends. We were all poor city kids, and all we wanted was just to play with people we liked personally, everything else, we didn't care about. The son of the Korean grocer up the street who was the best pinball player and we could literally play for a few hours because he would come in when we needed help, the Puerto Rican brothers who we relied on for our little league baseball team, my learning Hebrew helping fellow 12 year old Benny, study for his Bar Mitzvah as a condition for him to play football with us on Saturdays, even though he didn't want anything to do with it, and was the most non religious of all of us. You picked on one one of us, you fought all of us. We lost a few games when other kids would racially/ethnically abuse one of us and we all rushed them..lol..some funny moments looking back. As an aside, the Irish-American kids were the toughest. White kids, Black kids, Latinos, Italian-American, Irish-American, an Asian or two, 1 guy who looking back you knew was gay but you didn't really think about it, very unique for Philly which like most northern cities, were made up ethnic neighborhoods of only one group that didn't get along with another, but we all shared a park and youth sports teams that united us. But looking back and we still love each other dearly, we were what America wanted to be but never achieved it as a collective. African Americans do have a legitimate gripe. Others as well.

I can simultaneously support Israel but want better treatment for Palestinian Arabs if that makes any sense. I am outraged at America's continued treatment of our aboriginal peoples, many living in abject poverty in the supposed richest nation on earth.

Some may not like the mixing of sport and politics but wouldn't it have been better had we all boycotted the '36 Olympics? I had mix feelings about boycotting the '80 Olympics and had no ill will that England went. I felt we were a bit hypocritical telling the Russians they were wrong invading Afghanistan while we have been doing the same (Vietnam, etc.) prior and since. Pot and kettle more than anything else.

The rancor about the BLM protests also seems based on what generation one belongs to and/or ideology. Not always but usually.

Some of the symbols of support by companies and perhaps some clubs and leagues may be self aggrandizing, riding the current social climate. Hard to tell. Some demands by some circles may be too much. In America its former Presidents, 2 of them on Mt. Rushmore (Jefferson and Washington, slave owners) and in the UK I've seen Churchill and other statues of people I've read great things about being derived. But I don't know your history in enough detail to suggest. There is a line but that line varies with each person.

Hoping in the end it all rights itself. But it must start on a one to one basis.

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Why did we release Matty Ryan?

Hoping it's so he gets released by Brighton and we can get him back. Will be very disappointed if we don't.


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RIP Alan Miller. Really sad news.

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Why did we release Matty Ryan?

Hoping it's so he gets released by Brighton and we can get him back. Will be very disappointed if we don't.

I don’t think we had a choice, he was on loan until June 1st (the usual dates for these things) same as Ceballos and Ødegaard and the end of Luiz’s contract.
I’d agree I’d like Ryan back, thought he was a pretty solid No.2


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Why did we release Matty Ryan?

Hoping it's so he gets released by Brighton and we can get him back. Will be very disappointed if we don't.

I don’t think we had a choice, he was on loan until June 1st (the usual dates for these things) same as Ceballos and Ødegaard and the end of Luiz’s contract.
I’d agree I’d like Ryan back, thought he was a pretty solid No.2

The 1st June (Tuesday this week) was also the point at which Arsenal were no longer obliged to pay Özil £315,000 per week. Apparently we were still paying him 90% of his full wages with us (£350,000 a week) to persuade him to go, with Fenerbahce picking up the other £35,000 or 10%.

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Arsenal have announced the player of the year awards, voted for by the fans I believe. 1st place not yet announced but it will obviously be Saka. 2nd was Pépé and 3rd was Tierney


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I don’t think we had a choice, he was on loan until June 1st (the usual dates for these things) same as Ceballos and Ødegaard and the end of Luiz’s contract.
I’d agree I’d like Ryan back, thought he was a pretty solid No.2

The 1st June (Tuesday this week) was also the point at which Arsenal were no longer obliged to pay Özil £315,000 per week. Apparently we were still paying him 90% of his full wages with us (£350,000 a week) to persuade him to go, with Fenerbahce picking up the other £35,000 or 10%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror ... 982060.amp

I assume this was the same for Mustafi and Sokratis to varying degrees of % wages paid.
As much as we (i) talk about transfer values in and out it would be interesting to see the changes in the annual wage bill. It is well known we needed to reduce this massively but still gave Aubameyang and Willian huge deals. But now effectively losing the wages of Özil, Mustafi, Sokratis and Luiz from the books must be getting on for £650k a week, or £33m a year..... or 1 Buendia transfer fee (if rumours are to be believed)


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Rich wrote:
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The 1st June (Tuesday this week) was also the point at which Arsenal were no longer obliged to pay Özil £315,000 per week. Apparently we were still paying him 90% of his full wages with us (£350,000 a week) to persuade him to go, with Fenerbahce picking up the other £35,000 or 10%.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror ... 982060.amp

I assume this was the same for Mustafi and Sokratis to varying degrees of % wages paid.
As much as we (i) talk about transfer values in and out it would be interesting to see the changes in the annual wage bill. It is well known we needed to reduce this massively but still gave Aubameyang and Willian huge deals. But now effectively losing the wages of Özil, Mustafi, Sokratis and Luiz from the books must be getting on for £650k a week, or £33m a year..... or 1 Buendia transfer fee (if rumours are to be believed)

I imagine it’s a fairly safe bet that similar principles will apply to the departures of Sokratis and Mustafi, even if the percentages weren’t the same as in Özil’s case. Because they were paid a great deal less than Özil, the amount will surely differ greatly. My guess is if Willian does end up moving to America, a similar arrangement will be in place for him as well.


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I assume this was the same for Mustafi and Sokratis to varying degrees of % wages paid.
As much as we (i) talk about transfer values in and out it would be interesting to see the changes in the annual wage bill. It is well known we needed to reduce this massively but still gave Aubameyang and Willian huge deals. But now effectively losing the wages of Özil, Mustafi, Sokratis and Luiz from the books must be getting on for £650k a week, or £33m a year..... or 1 Buendia transfer fee (if rumours are to be believed)

I imagine it’s a fairly safe bet that similar principles will apply to the departures of Sokratis and Mustafi, even if the percentages weren’t the same as in Özil’s case. Because they were paid a great deal less than Özil, the amount will surely differ greatly. My guess is if Willian does end up moving to America, a similar arrangement will be in place for him as well.

I am not aware of any other club doing the same to get rid of players. The problem is that it becomes the thin edge of the wedge. Why would SK, Willian, Torreira, Gurndouzi leave without the same deal. Some might go just because they themselves want to move on but you can bet that they will only go to clubs they want to and provided Arsenal smooth the way forward with a favourable transfer fee if any. I know and understand why we did it but I am not sure people fully understood the possible consequences.

I think there has been an inherent problem with our contracts. They are top loaded and because of Wenger socialist wage policy out of kilter with other clubs. We need all future contracts to be performance based. Not just appearance but bonus related according to finishing position and trophies won. Of course, now that we are a team in the middle of the league we will never get people to sign on those terms. But we simply cannot afford to pay players like Aubameyang 300k per week or Willian 200-225k per week.

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The contracts are one thing but the quality of the player being obtained is the main problem.
If you are signing players of the quality of Sokratis, Kolasinac and mustafi then giving them a 120k salary like we did you have major problems. If their contracts we’re 50 to 70k you would get some suitors but at 120 not and they won’t take a pay cut.

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If Arsenal are up against Villa for the signature of Buendia we're going to look pretty silly if we don't sign him now unless the price gets stupid and we publically pull out.

£30m plus add on bids launched, I suspect with two teams wanting him Norwich will hold out for more and that something like £35m + add ons will get there. Norwich have to give 20% of any fee to Buendia's previous club.

I could see Grealish going to Man City for a big fee. Especially if the rumours of City wanting to move on Sterling and Mahrez are true.


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Happy Birthday Lukas Podolski. Not sure what he did to Wenger but he was surely underutilized.


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I imagine it’s a fairly safe bet that similar principles will apply to the departures of Sokratis and Mustafi, even if the percentages weren’t the same as in Özil’s case. Because they were paid a great deal less than Özil, the amount will surely differ greatly. My guess is if Willian does end up moving to America, a similar arrangement will be in place for him as well.

I am not aware of any other club doing the same to get rid of players. The problem is that it becomes the thin edge of the wedge. Why would SK, Willian, Torreira, Gurndouzi leave without the same deal. Some might go just because they themselves want to move on but you can bet that they will only go to clubs they want to and provided Arsenal smooth the way forward with a favourable transfer fee if any. I know and understand why we did it but I am not sure people fully understood the possible consequences.

I think there has been an inherent problem with our contracts. They are top loaded and because of Wenger socialist wage policy out of kilter with other clubs. We need all future contracts to be performance based. Not just appearance but bonus related according to finishing position and trophies won. Of course, now that we are a team in the middle of the league we will never get people to sign on those terms. But we simply cannot afford to pay players like Aubameyang 300k per week or Willian 200-225k per week.

I'm not necessarily aware of other clubs doing it either, but they are having similar problems. Man U extended the contracts of Mata, Ashley Young, Rojo and Phil Jones to protect the transfer value of these players. This extended the length Man U paid their wages because clubs weren't biting their hands off to take any of these players. Phil Jones is still contracted to Man U until 2023!
They definitely subsidised Sanchez's £500k a week wages when he signed on loan with Inter and I dare say might still well be contributing something to his wages until his contract length would have been up with them.
Pogba's contract is up in 12 months so it isn't just us that has contract issues with players, its just when clubs with a lot more money have them it can be swept under the carpet with another £40m dutch international signing who sits on the bench all season


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Kieran Trippier and Bellerin swap deal ?

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Kieran Trippier and Bellerin swap deal ?

Any takers ?

I think Trippier is better, certainly better delivery but Trippier is 30, we need to be bringing in a right back with his best years ahead of him not behind him. If we want an English right back I'd rather we went for Aarons.
Our right-back signing (assuming we make one) might well come out of left-field on the basis that i think Arteta has a quite specific set of attributes for his right back which isn't necessarily a right footed Tierney. I think he's looking for the City style full back who comes inside and makes up numbers in central midfield.
Maybe I'm wrong and we'll pull Hakimi out of the hat, a modern electric paced full back. He'd be my ideal right back. the goals and assist numbers he posts are the best on the world from full back I'd have thought


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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it does seem really pointless to have brought him on board for a brief spell. https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/arsenal- ... RKRSP8fuq0

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Maybe I'm wrong and we'll pull Hakimi out of the hat, a modern electric paced full back. He'd be my ideal right back. the goals and assist numbers he posts are the best on the world from full back I'd have thought

Does he post more goals and assists than Tavernier at Rangers?


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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it does seem really pointless to have brought him on board for a brief spell. https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/arsenal- ... RKRSP8fuq0


We were desperate for an attacking midfield player and we didn’t really look convincing this season till he came into the side in my opinion.

I don’t think it’s great our team is being made up by temporary cast offs but at that point in time it was Hobson’s choice. We were screwed.

The story of our season was that Arteta needed to have the money for 2 new midfielders at the start but was only given Partey. It’s a completely wasted football season.


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I’m still shocked that Barca, Real and Bayern haven’t swooped in to match Roma’s 10 million pound offer for Granit Xhaka. Clearly haven’t seen his pass completion statistics, he’s a bargain at ten mill come on Senors


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Bernard wrote:
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Maybe I'm wrong and we'll pull Hakimi out of the hat, a modern electric paced full back. He'd be my ideal right back. the goals and assist numbers he posts are the best on the world from full back I'd have thought

Does he post more goals and assists than Tavernier at Rangers?

Ah yes, good shout. No I don’t think he does. Hakimi had 7 goals and 10 assists in the league last year, in a better league than the Scottish Prem. tavernier scored an incredible 12 goals last year


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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it does seem really pointless to have brought him on board for a brief spell. https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/arsenal- ... RKRSP8fuq0


We were desperate for an attacking midfield player and we didn’t really look convincing this season till he came into the side in my opinion.

I don’t think it’s great our team is being made up by temporary cast offs but at that point in time it was Hobson’s choice. We were screwed.

The story of our season was that Arteta needed to have the money for 2 new midfielders at the start but was only given Partey. It’s a completely wasted football season.

I get that. But we didn’t achieve anything anyway, even with him. We’d have been better off giving game time to one of ‘ours’. At least it would improve their sell on value if nothing else. We starting to look like a Div 1 team trying to get promoted with loaners.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it does seem really pointless to have brought him on board for a brief spell. https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/arsenal- ... RKRSP8fuq0

Thats what a change in manager can do. No one's fault.

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Hindsight is a wonderful thing but it does seem really pointless to have brought him on board for a brief spell. https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/arsenal- ... RKRSP8fuq0

Thats what a change in manager can do. No one's fault.

Sort of. But at the outset a six month loan period looked like it didn’t really take us forward. And so it has proved. We might have got lucky but it never looked likely.

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Thats what a change in manager can do. No one's fault.

Sort of. But at the outset a six month loan period looked like it didn’t really take us forward. And so it has proved. We might have got lucky but it never looked likely.

Also, who'd have guessed Ancelotti would jump ship from Everton to go to RM as soon as Zidane left.
No 6 months didn't take us forward, but Ødegaard may have needed a little more time. No chance now if he returns to RM, given he'll be part of Ancelotti's plans so it seems.

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