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Post #335521  Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 6:13 pm 
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Good effort omoh. All modesty aside, my cockney and Liverpool impressions fools most non Brits.

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Uh oh more restrictions announced by Boris.

He’s gonna get hit by another single signature petition in a matter of days now :laughing7:


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Post #335523  Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:21 pm 
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Just before the 3 minute mark is Arteta.

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Post #335524  Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2020 8:16 pm 
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If you dont think speed and agility are required in the middle of a modern day midfield then I’d have to suggest you couldn’t have ever witnessed Patrick Vieira play football.


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Post #335525  Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:28 am 
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I guess nobody else here is impressed Nadal winning the French Open (again) either.


Even though he was favored to win, I wasn't so sure. He's making an argument for himself as the best ever.
As for LeBron James, 4 titles, 3 different teams, 4 NBA finals MVP. Only Jordan has won that award more times.

Another thing toda is that the American pro sports are now fans of football and visa versa. Some have met but they are fans of each other. LeBron is a Liverpool fan. A number of athletes have favorite football teams and favorite players.

Becks took the number 23 with the LA Galaxy in homage to Michael Jordan. Messi, Ronald, Neymar are pretty much household names with sports fans in the states. That (football stars) would not have been so 30 years ago.

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Post #335526  Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:02 am 
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I know it seems strange to discuss our new signing on this Özil forum, but I have been thinking about how he will fit in.

At the onset I must say I am surprised as he does not seem to be the creative midfielder we were requiring. Partey appears to perfect for Xhaka position. He is more mobile and can break forward if required with an ability to beat players. All the things Xhaka lacks. Mind you Partey will need to hit the ground running. His age means that it will be difficult to make money on him which was supposed to be our objective as a club.

I would have thought we should go back to 4 at the back, getting rid of Luiz and use a combination of Elneny, Saka, Cellabos, M-N and Pépé to make up the midfield. Personally I would like us to try 442 or 451 as tactics but that doesn’t appear to be the modern way.

I have long been of the opinion that What Xhaka lacks requires other players to try and cover him. If Arteta intends to slide Partey in beside Xhaka I don’t understand how this would work and increase our creativity. Looking with interest at our next games.


Since everyone agrees with me on Özil I'll stop talking about it. :laughing7:

From the 5 mins I've séen I think Partey would be good in front of the defense in a 4-1-2-3 formation. It could be argued that Xhaka could play at the base of midfield for his long passing but he's not the guy I'd want there as the last resort in front of the defense.


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Post #335527  Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:16 am 
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I saw Wenger’s quotes about the technical skill diminishing in footballers with more of a focus on physical attributes. I think he’s right and the evidence can be seen in the Premier League with the number of teams whose biggest threat is the counter attack or their biggest weakness is the counter attack.
City and Liverpool are both vulnerable to the counter
Arsenal under Arteta have used it as a great tactic, Spurs with quick forwards do it well and Man U’s good results at the back end of last year came from quick counters.
Even further down the league, Leicester have done it for years, wolves have had success with it and more and more teams are working towards this tactic, especially coupled with a high press. Southampton, Brighton, Leeds, villa all go for this tactic.
I wonder where this goes because we could get to a point where neither team actually wants the ball


Passes over the top seems to be pretty effective as Liverpool just found out. :1laughter:


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Post #335528  Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 5:31 am 
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A married Irishman went into the confessional and said to his priest, 'I almost had an affair with another woman.'

The priest said, 'What do you mean, almost?'

The Irishman said, 'Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped.'

The priest said, 'Rubbing together is the same as putting it in. You're not to see that woman again. For your penance, say five Hail Mary's and put $50 in the poor box.'

The Irishman left the confessional, said his prayers, and then walked over to the poor box.

He paused for a moment and then started to leave.

The priest, who was watching, quickly ran over to him saying, 'I saw that. You didn't put any money in the poor box!'

The Irishman replied, 'Yeah, but I rubbed the $50 on the box, and according to you, that's the same as putting it in!'


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Post #335529  Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2020 6:07 am 
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Rich wrote:
Not sure if anyone has noticed Partey's stats for Ghana. He has a 1 in 3 goals to games ratio and generally plays a bit further forward, sometimes in a behind the striker position.
Partey made his name playing as a more defensively minded midfielder in a very strict and defensive system employed by Simeone at Atletico. I've read a few people say that perhaps he may be released a bit more at Arsenal and are confident of his abilities going forward.
On the face of things a very, very good signing as a CM who can play on his own as a def-mid, as a pair in a double pivot, or as a box-to-box. I'm really looking forward to seeing him play for us.


Interesting. The word on him was how strong he was defensively in the middle of the pitch. If he can add goals, its gravy. Didn't know it was part of his game.

I always thought Gilberto Silva should have been a bit more aggressive once in a while on attack. i recall early on he scored one of the fastest goals ever in the CL. And I think he captained a league cup side of young players where he took on a leadership role and added goals in a tie that had several goals scored by each side if my memory serves me right (and it often fails me). Vieira would add in a goal once in a while. One of my favorites was a sublime pass from Bergkamp (are you watching Özil? :icon_mrgreen: ) that cemented our invincible season.

Anyway, I'm sure Arteta knows this about Partey and it will be interesting to see how he is deployed. We'll likely see him push a bit forward if we are behind and in need of a goal.

I'm cautiously (must manage expecatations) optimistic about us going forward.

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If Arteta can manage a league title in the next half dozen years I'd consider him a huge success. FA and league cups are definitely within our range. If we get into the CL again, even another final if the stars align in group and knockout phase.

I can see us getting to the semis or finals of the Europa cup but we may only have a year or two chance of it, assuming we meet our goals and get into the CL proper.

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...oh, and I want us to beat Mourinho in a league match. Preferably away.

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Darren wrote:
The real ineptitude in all of this is the abject failure of implementing a functioning track and trace system as per the rest of europe until two weeks ago. And even then it's still deeply flawed. the countries who are emerging quickest from this phase of the virus are those who imposed stricter lockdowns at the start and then had a fully funtioning track and trace. And once the advisor-in-chieft to Boris goes on a 60 mile round trip jolly whilst infectious, without consequence or retribution, you can't then blame the public for putting two fingers up to those in power. We're told to get back to work, to eat out to help out, then told we're to blame for the virus spreading. It's a clown car of policies at the moment.

The ineptitude shown throught this entire crisis should result in criminal charges, especially when it comes to handing out the contracts to newly formed companies with no track record in PPE who suddenly are awarded multi million pound deals for such equipment. Oh, look they're also mates of the cabinet and Tory donors too. Funny that.

And don't get me started on the irony of those worrying about the economy crashing when they voted for Brexit.
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Darren track and trace will never work properly because a lot of people won't use the app or respond to requests. If there is not a majority better still everyone using it how can it work?

The only place it works is where it is enforced and everyone has to use it as in Taiwan, Singpore, Korea etc.

It doesn't work well afaik in Europe with the exception of Germany where the majority do as they are told.


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I can see football hitting big trouble with Covid right now.

It was ‘okay’ when leagues were on best behaviour and in controlled bubbles, and when the final stages of the European competitions were completed in a single location.

Now that we have such as internationals with individual players going everywhere I can only imagine the latent problem bursting out again. To a small degree we’ve seen this with Tierney.

Cycling is hitting just that problem. They scraped through and managed to finish the Tour de France but the (less controlled) 3 week Giro D’Italia has major problems at the moment. Two complete teams and a few other individuals have had to pull out today. It looks like the whole event will be canned well before the planned end in nearly two weeks time.

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In 8 months time Özil, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis will be out of contract. That would represent a weekly wage saving in the region of around £750k a week or £39m for the season. Which in theory allows you to buy a £30m player and stick him on £150k per week and you'd cover the same cost in just 1 season and still have the £600k per week in wages to spend elsewhere. We have a crazy amount of money tied up in players who will contribute very little this season.

Chambers, Kolasinac, Lacazette, Nketiah and Elneny can all go for free in 2022.

When you see Rhian Brewster move for £23m this year it would be crazy to yet again lose so many players for free - I can understand it on mistakes like Kolasinac who are difficult to shift based on their wages to talent ratio - but Nketiah particularly carries plenty of value that must either be protected or sold.


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I can see football hitting big trouble with Covid right now.

It was ‘okay’ when leagues were on best behaviour and in controlled bubbles, and when the final stages of the European competitions were completed in a single location.

Now that we have such as internationals with individual players going everywhere I can only imagine the latent problem bursting out again. To a small degree we’ve seen this with Tierney.

Cycling is hitting just that problem. They scraped through and managed to finish the Tour de France but the (less controlled) 3 week Giro D’Italia has major problems at the moment. Two complete teams and a few other individuals have had to pull out today. It looks like the whole event will be canned well before the planned end in nearly two weeks time.

Ireland were missing 5 players for their game against Wales on Sunday. One was a positive test and the other 4 were due to close contact.

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I can see football hitting big trouble with Covid right now.

It was ‘okay’ when leagues were on best behaviour and in controlled bubbles, and when the final stages of the European competitions were completed in a single location.

Now that we have such as internationals with individual players going everywhere I can only imagine the latent problem bursting out again. To a small degree we’ve seen this with Tierney.

Cycling is hitting just that problem. They scraped through and managed to finish the Tour de France but the (less controlled) 3 week Giro D’Italia has major problems at the moment. Two complete teams and a few other individuals have had to pull out today. It looks like the whole event will be canned well before the planned end in nearly two weeks time.

Ireland were missing 5 players for their game against Wales on Sunday. One was a positive test and the other 4 were due to close contact.

Yes. The more rotation and exposure the worse it’s going to become. Football may be ‘fake’ in some eyes but at least it’s there and about the only thing keeping me sane right now.

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Football may be ‘fake’ in some eyes but at least it’s there and about the only thing keeping me sane right now.

Can’t you take up sowing?


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Bernard wrote:
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Football may be ‘fake’ in some eyes but at least it’s there and about the only thing keeping me sane right now.

Can’t you take up sowing?


...wild oats?


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DHD wrote:
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Can’t you take up sowing?


...wild oats?

Or knighting?

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Bernard wrote:
old man of hoy wrote:
Its football madness to expect Özil to close down and press - it is not what anybody expects him to bring to the team - he never did in his career before at other clubs. If defending is what Arteta wants most from Özil, then it is no surprise he leaves him out in the cold!

I saw a stat this morning that Arsenal run more kilometres per match than any other Premiership side. From memory Liverpool were second. I strongly suspect Arsenal’s kilometres run would be significantly less had Özil been in the team this season.

There’s nothing to stop skilful or creative players working hard. Ceballos, Saka and Willian all do. That’s one of the important reasons why, in my view, Özil clearly isn’t part of Arteta’s plans this season.

Actually Özil often used to be top or near the top of the 'km covered' stats, whether playing for us or Germany. So it isn't that.

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Decaf wrote:
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...wild oats?

Or knighting?


....or croquet?


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Rich wrote:
In 8 months time Özil, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis will be out of contract.
I'm sure if we sweetened the deal and offered Özil a bigger pay packet, he'd be willing to stay on, no ?


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So Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for Covid19! :sad4:
He seems fine so far. This pandemic keeps reminding you it respects no one.

PS Send a doctor over to check on Mustafi, please.

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So Cristiano Ronaldo has tested positive for Covid19! :sad4:
He seems fine so far. This pandemic keeps reminding you it respects no one.

PS Send a doctor over to check on Mustafi, please.

The implication from that is sick. You should feel ashamed of yourself.


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Eddie misses a pen then scores a lovely goal England U21s 2 - Turkey 0


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Watching Chile Columbia live and you have to say the drama and niggle in South American qualifiers is always fun to watch.

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Rich wrote:
In 8 months time Özil, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis will be out of contract.

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So, I just read that the reason we aren't playing Özil at all is to save money on appearance and performance goals add ons. The Arsenal are a slick operation.

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I'm surprised that you and AG are still on the forum because all you do is ruin the pleasure that the late Steve Glenbervie put his heart and soul into.

I’ve no idea if you already aree, but if you’re not I’ve little doubt that’ll get you blocked by our friend from across the Atlantic as soon as he sees it.


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DeBruyne being out is a big help. I hate that Tierney is out. I want to be at full strength defensively and not having, without question, the best LB since turncoat Cole is a big set back.
I'd love to leave with a draw. Doable. If we can somehow manage a goal first and open up some space between van Dijk and keeper for Aubameyang when they press for an equalizer, to run at, that would be great as well.

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DeBruyne being out is a big help. I hate that Tierney is out. I want to be at full strength defensively and not having, without question, the best LB since turncoat Cole is a big set back.
I'd love to leave with a draw. Doable. If we can somehow manage a goal first and open up some space between van Dijk and keeper for Aubameyang when they press for an equalizer, to run at, that would be great as well.

We’re playing Manchester City; van Dijk plays for Liverpool.


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Bernard wrote:
We’re playing Manchester City; van Dijk plays for Liverpool.


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So Eddie has become the record goal scorer for England at U21 level with 14 goals in 12 appearances. Whatever one's view on him as a player at Arsenal, that's a mighty impressive record. He takes over from Shearer who got 13 in 11, and Jeffers with 13 in 16 games.

I know everyone will point at Jeffers' failure with us but he was absolutely dogged with injury and he was competing for a place with TH14 and Wiltord. On the other hand, Shearer didn't do badly.

I personally have high hopes for Eddie.


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Bernard wrote:
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DeBruyne being out is a big help. I hate that Tierney is out. I want to be at full strength defensively and not having, without question, the best LB since turncoat Cole is a big set back.
I'd love to leave with a draw. Doable. If we can somehow manage a goal first and open up some space between van Dijk and keeper for Aubameyang when they press for an equalizer, to run at, that would be great as well.

We’re playing Manchester City; van Dijk plays for Liverpool.

Well, no-one's perfect. A couple of weeks ago, I remember a forumite posting that Willock is a 'fox in the box', which was even more baffling. Hang on, that was AG as well.

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DeBruyne being out is a big help.

Is De Bruyne definitely ruled out? I read he'd returned to the club from international duty and was 'a doubt'. Which whenever that occurs for a player about to face Arsenal means he will turn up fit as a fiddle.


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https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-debruyne-injury-arsenal-19095481

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Jeffers, our reputed 'fox in the box' didn't work out, as DHD said, due to injuries so we will never really know how he would have done. I recall a match he got sent off and Wenger seemed to be cold towards him since, despite the injuries.

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A trip down memory lane has me thinking of some 'what ifs'

Eduardo. The injury killed his Arsenal career. I really liked him and thought had the injury not happened he'd have had a pretty decent career with us.

Rosicky. Like Jeffers, if only he didn't have recurring injuries.

Santi. Must be the water in London because he recuperated pretty quickly back in Spain. Who was taller, him or Arshavin? :icon_mrgreen:

Diarra. We went from starting the season with perhaps the best defensive midfielders as a collective we've had in years to ending the season scrambling to hold on to one.

RvP Had he stayed healthy his whole career, I think we'd be talking about him being near or catching Henry's record.

Henry. Arguably the best PL striker (Arguero and Rooney might disagree) ever and had he not gone to Barca lord know how many goals and assists he'd have amass.

Cole. Left in his prime. Legendary status certainly to come. Had he stayed, I envision arguments between forumites about who was better, him or Sansom.

Anelka. Could we have had 2 players with 200+ goals each playing on the same squad?

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Hmm...you're right. Not certain. And its just like Pep to have that story out there to change our XI.

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