I'm curious as to know if Arteta's reason for not including Özil is he just doesn't fit into his system or its something else. I seem to recall (and my memory is fuzzy on this) that Arteta's didn't feel Özil was working hard in training. Arteta wants to see players train hard as an indicator of their committment to the cause. Maybe his unwillingness to track back and play enough defense.

Maybe its a combination thereof. Bur I find it hard to believe there isn't a place for Arteta. I find it hard to believe he can't fit into the system in some capacity.

To use an old fashioned term Old Man, he has been 'working his ticket' since 2018.

Sorry Haz. Everyone can have an opinion but that's just plain wrong.

If my entire life depended on someone making a through pass for a goal then Dennis Bergkamp is making that pass for me. Nobody else. Maybe Fabregas a distant distant second

Can't stop agreeing with you today, TG.

You don't have to apologize for disagreeing, but calling it plain wrong is nonsense. His assists record speaks for itself, before his performances dropped he was an absolute chance creating machine. Not saying he's in a class of his own compared to players like Bergkamp and Fabregas, but to pretend he's not even in the conversation is ridiculous.

I'm going out on a limb here but .....yes, I think I CAN say you are indeed plain wrong.

Why should they ? The moment they did that he would go to turkey and agree a contract to earn even more money. I bet they’ve made a substantial settlement offer of probably half his contract but if you are speaking to someone who is unable of compromise and not a pragmatist then they will get nowhere.

Özil is perfectly right to see out his contract no debate about that, Arsenal are definitely right to drop him out of every squad there’s no debate about that either but it’s telling about his motivation, professionalism and ultimately him as a person that he won’t even take a settlement

If the answer isn’t Bergkamp the person can’t have understood the question in the first place.

A rolls Royce of a player.

To expand ever so slightly, Haz I think the term 'assist' is misleading when comparing anyone to the legend that is DB10.

Many of Özil's assist came (past tense, note) from crosses, free kicks and corners. DB10's didn't.

Well if you want to play it that way, I never told you that you COULDN'T say something, did I?

Sure, there's areally strong case to make for Bergkamp on this subject, I've never pretended there isn't. He did a lot of things that Özil could only ever dream of. But on the flip side, there's a reason why Özil throughout his prime was responsible for corners and a certain type of free kicks, while Bergkamp wasn't. And it's not like every player who takes that amount of corners and free kicks rack up assists. His dead ball delivery is part of what made Özil such a good player to begin with.

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My point is that crosses swung into crowded boxes, free kicks swung into crowded boxes and corners swung into crowded boxes account for a decent proportion of Özil's 'assists'. In this sense, the stats are misleading since in my opinion, they are of a lower value than a threaded pass, a through ball or a dink over the top. Now Özil certainly has produced all those in his time with us but they account for a much lower percentage of his 'assists'.

If you weight the relative skill levels of their 'assists', DB10 and Özil are not in the same league.

Walk into any pub, Arsenal or non Arsenal pub and lay that claim, they'd think you are taking the piss.
Bergkamp first and foremost. Fabregas second to Dennis only. Henry can make an argument for someone who knows how to give a final ball and should be counted among the best, but not the best.

I've seen enough clips of Brady to see why he's got deity status with people from that era.

Vieira intercepts and lays it off to Parlour or Pires who break and find bergkamp in the final third “woah how did he spot that pass!”

Over and over and over and over ......

Don't think people in general rate Bergkamp as highly as Arsenal fans do so I'm not sure about that claim, but nice to see you try to interact with other posters on the forum for a change.

Cazorla was exceptionally skilful. A player who can score free kicks with either foot is very rare indeed.

There are others who you would never dream of categorising as great (or in some cases good) players but nonetheless had exceptional natural skills. Kanu - sublime skills for such a big lanky man with huge feet. I don't think I've ever seen a player like him. Hleb - fabulous first touch and ability to create space but then spends far too long deliberating and ends up passing it backwards. Gervinho - absolutely brilliant dribbling ability and body feints and not a notion in the world how to use it....and he couldn't kick the ball properly which is just bizarre for a pro-footballer.

Then you have other players with a slightly different skill-set. Overmars, like Henry, could dribble at a fierce pace. Maintaining control of the ball at that pace is not too common. I just love natural footballers. Sadly, dribbling is disappearing from the game as everyone plays the Pep/Klopp pressing and gazillion passes.

This is still one of the weirdest Arsenal goals I've seen.

There have been some cracking goals scored over the years by players who aren't necessarily considered Arsenal greats. This one by Eduardo always comes to mind when I think about great Arsenal goals. At first glance it looked like a mishit, but seeing the replay it's just a sublime finish, perfectly controlled.

Stuck in a massive queue back in the stand because my dad insisted he wanted a tea at halftime and missed the whole thing.

Brady was known for a sublime final pass ..or two!

So who’s paying £15 quid a throw to the premier league to watch pay per view games?

They may be in for a shock. Take up will be low.

I suppose you would want pay 15 quid to watch a Burnley game but only if u were strapped to that electric chair people talked about before, and your life depended on it.

Or a lifelong Burnley fan, plus those of who they’re playing?

https://www.247tvstream.com

Works incredibly all over the world...for me $80/year-ish)

Saw some stats for the average distance collectively covered per game so far by the big 6. Arsenal lead the way, 3km per match more than Liverpool in 2nd and 7km more than Man U in 6th

Everton being top of the table and Villa second is pretty remarkable after 4 games. City bottom half the table, equally so. This won't last and will likely change on the restart after the international games. No one would have seen that coming though.

But they are suggesting a per game price of 15 quid, 4 games and that’s yer 80 bucks. Is that good value ?

I assume its because I access British media for Arsenal related news, that I am getting clips of 'The Graham Norton Show'. Delightful show, based on the stories famous guests have told.

Really? That implies strongly that he has been conniving to get out of something he doesn't want to be a part of, when from what we know that doesn't seem the case. To use a more modern term it could be argued he is being constructively dismissed by his boss! Whatever the eventual outcome it will be good to see him back on the field somewhere playing his lovely football. Don't be surprised either if it is at a big Premiership club.

And this week (16 October), the guests include Arsene Wenger and Samuel L. Jackson. They ought to do a buddy movie together.

Not a chance that any top premier league club would risk a penny on him.

I will be, very! Perhaps the memories of his good play have faded for most of us a bit too much, but surely of all leagues, this one isn’t for him.

I’ll be very interested to see where his next move is, retirement FC the front runner for me at the moment. Destination cash Island.

Not much in the way advice. I read between the lines that Özil doesn't want to play defense, needs to be fulcrum in order to feel he is in the game.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... l-22823284
Arsene Wenger's advice to Mikel Arteta on Arsenal outcast Mesut Özil

So far my $80 gets me pretty much every PL game/Carabao Cup/FA/Cup/Europa league/Champions League. Links to UK/Canada/Oz/Caribbean/Middle East/USA Sports TV streaming websites..A lot of other stuff too. Need good bandwidth, but HD quality also. I was skeptical at first, but a scouse mate in Miami turned me on to it. Sometime it takes some hunting, but I 99% of the time find what I want..albeit with some manic middle eastern commentator!

Breaking news eh.

That looks remarkably good. I wonder if they block it in the UK.

One thing that does really annoy me is that I pay megabucks for Sky, BT Sport and Amazon Prime but am not allowed to watch it when out of the country. It’s like having a book or magazine that you can only read in the UK.