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Post #416561  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:35 pm 
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Ceballos making some great through balls

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Post #416562  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:41 pm 
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I asked for Pépé to come on because I thought Willian was poor and letting his head drop.
But the more I see of Pépé the more I think that £72mill could have been much, much better spent.
He’s a lightweight, and always will be.

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Post #416563  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:41 pm 
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again liverpool always with the run of the loose ball. It isn't luck, it is anticipation, sharpness and work rate. our midfield is sluggish in comparison.
I see Mané, quite a small guy, fight for every ball and beat much bigger guys just by his technique and desire


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Post #416564  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:42 pm 
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Clearly you think it’s ace ! You’ve said you don’t understand why we are signing midfielders as it’s creative enough. It’s been *%^@ in the first half

If you want to criticise my posts, try checking what I’ve said. I haven’t said it’s ace. But with Ceballos, Saka, Willian, Pépé and Aubameyang, I think we have a lot more creativity than you.


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Post #416565  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:43 pm 
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I asked for Pépé to come on because I thought Willian was poor and letting his head drop.
But the more I see of Pépé the more I think that £72mill could have been much, much better spent.
He’s a lightweight, and always will be.


A second crap effort at a corner from him.
Someone needs to grab him by the throat and shake some life into him.

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Post #416566  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:43 pm 
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That's why Ceballos had to be on from the start. received the ball on the edge of the box surrounded by 4 liverpool players, just stayed calm and realised the 4 were covering the quick pass, so just turned and turned again and dribbled his way out


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Post #416567  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:44 pm 
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john1 wrote:
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I asked for Pépé to come on because I thought Willian was poor and letting his head drop.
But the more I see of Pépé the more I think that £72mill could have been much, much better spent.
He’s a lightweight, and always will be.


A second crap effort at a corner from him.
Someone needs to grab him by the throat and shake some life into him.

I was just about to say the same. His set pieces are usually good.


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Post #416568  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:45 pm 
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Still lots of work to do Mikel

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Post #416569  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:46 pm 
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Salah is so outrageously greedy. I can see why Mané hates playing with him


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Post #416570  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:47 pm 
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3-1, poor clearing header straight to Jota. don't feel we deserve that for our second half performance


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3-1, poor clearing header straight to Jota. don't feel we deserve that for our second half performance


But overall they’ve been much better

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Niice to see both Liverpool's 2nd and 3rd goals which could have been checked for handball had not even the slightest scrutiny on them. For the record I don't think either were but both needed more than a cursory look - where was the every angle slow motion replay effectively trying to spot the handball and look for any reason to chalk it off?


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john1 wrote:
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3-1, poor clearing header straight to Jota. don't feel we deserve that for our second half performance


But overall they’ve been much better

Absolutely, they completely deserve to win. I suspect even at our very best we wouldn't have beaten them tonight, they've been very good. It just felt like a bit of a meh goal, not an amazing move, just a tossed in cross that didnt get cleared that well.


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Handball. Below the sleeve . Why not given?


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Pépé is not a winner. He doesn’t give a shite.

Total waste of money

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Post #416576  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:52 pm 
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I just wish we'd played the ball over the top way way more. Every time we've done it we've been dangerous


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Post #416577  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:54 pm 
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john1 wrote:
Pépé is not a winner. He doesn’t give a shite.

Total waste of money


Honestly hard to disagree. There’s Sanlehi “outsmarting the market” no wonder he was given the tin tack.


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People on twitter blaming Leno for the third goal.

Leno must think he’s living in a Christopher Nolan movie where he’s being judged on his actions that are occurring in a parallel dimension not the actual present day.


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john1 wrote:
Pépé is not a winner. He doesn’t give a shite.

Total waste of money

I can’t disagree either but it’s just funny that he obviously does have a great left foot and is definitely able to provide match winning moments like at West Ham last year. You just don’t know when he will turn up or not.

Can’t imagine the impact Zaha would have had instead if we opted for him. It would be huge


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People on twitter blaming Leno for the third goal.

Leno must think he’s living in a Christopher Nolan movie where he’s being judged on his actions that are occurring in a parallel dimension not the actual present day.


Ha. I’ve not seen any criticism (that wasn’t in jest) of Leno other than what you’ve just described. He came and then retreated because it was landing right on Luiz’s head, seems fair enough. Unless he’d been loitering on his right post for no reason he had no chance with the save. Keeper the last area of concern in this team.


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People on twitter blaming Leno for the third goal.

Leno must think he’s living in a Christopher Nolan movie where he’s being judged on his actions that are occurring in a parallel dimension not the actual present day.

Blamed for not saving a shot that went in off the post? or not coming to claim the cross?

It was Luiz's poor header and lack of cover on the edge of the box to blame. I see CB make those headers, they cant quite get enough power on it so they should just be heading it back out towards the touchline rather than in to the centre of the goal


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TOP GUN wrote:
john1 wrote:
Pépé is not a winner. He doesn’t give a shite.

Total waste of money

I can’t disagree either but it’s just funny that he obviously does have a great left foot and is definitely able to provide match winning moments like at West Ham last year. You just don’t know when he will turn up or not.

Can’t imagine the impact Zaha would have had instead if we opted for him. It would be huge


Pépé has the technical skills of en elite player but sadly does not have the footballing brain or mentality of an elite player. We probably paid £45m too much for him on the evidence of the last season or so.


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Rich wrote:
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People on twitter blaming Leno for the third goal.

Leno must think he’s living in a Christopher Nolan movie where he’s being judged on his actions that are occurring in a parallel dimension not the actual present day.

Blamed for not saving a shot that went in off the post? or not coming to claim the cross?

It was Luiz's poor header and lack of cover on the edge of the box to blame. I see CB make those headers, they cant quite get enough power on it so they should just be heading it back out towards the touchline rather than in to the centre of the goal


The suggestion is he should have been commanding his box despite it being an obvious Luiz clearance. Le grove and others bashing him.


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Is it me or is Lazazette a yard slower than he used to be, not just in terms of pure pace but in terms of the speed with which he turns and gets shots away and things like that.


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Ash wrote:
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People on twitter blaming Leno for the third goal.

Leno must think he’s living in a Christopher Nolan movie where he’s being judged on his actions that are occurring in a parallel dimension not the actual present day.


Ha. I’ve not seen any criticism (that wasn’t in jest) of Leno other than what you’ve just described. He came and then retreated because it was landing right on Luiz’s head, seems fair enough. Unless he’d been loitering on his right post for no reason he had no chance with the save. Keeper the last area of concern in this team.


Leno when he gets home tonight.


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TOP GUN wrote:
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Blamed for not saving a shot that went in off the post? or not coming to claim the cross?

It was Luiz's poor header and lack of cover on the edge of the box to blame. I see CB make those headers, they cant quite get enough power on it so they should just be heading it back out towards the touchline rather than in to the centre of the goal


The suggestion is he should have been commanding his box despite it being an obvious Luiz clearance. Le grove and others bashing him.


Leno made some great reflex saves tonight but the truth is he doesn't command his box and his footwork is atrocious, he continually puts players into trouble with little short passes.


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We were better second half and I thought Holding did better second half too. Was strong in several one-v-ones. Probably not top four standard but did ok tonight.


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Ceballos made a huge difference when he came on, much more mobile and confident in possession and threaded several defence splitting passes.


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socrates wrote:
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The suggestion is he should have been commanding his box despite it being an obvious Luiz clearance. Le grove and others bashing him.


Leno made some great reflex saves tonight but the truth is he doesn't command his box and his footwork is atrocious, he continually puts players into trouble with little short passes.

Dude you gotta be *%^@*** kidding right :laughing7:

If the other 10 players can’t get the further ball up the pitch what can we expect from poor Leno


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TOP GUN wrote:
socrates wrote:

Leno made some great reflex saves tonight but the truth is he doesn't command his box and his footwork is atrocious, he continually puts players into trouble with little short passes.

Dude you gotta be *%^@*** kidding right :laughing7:

If the other 10 players can’t get the further ball up the pitch what can we expect from poor Leno


Not kidding mate, Arteta tells his players to deliberately wait until they are closed down before passing so as to create space and break the press but Leno is too slow with his passing and too often plays a ball out that puts the defender into trouble.

Martinez made a ballsup today as well but luckily for him the goal was disallowed so this is no Leno hating.


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socrates wrote:
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The suggestion is he should have been commanding his box despite it being an obvious Luiz clearance. Le grove and others bashing him.


Leno made some great reflex saves tonight but the truth is he doesn't command his box and his footwork is atrocious, he continually puts players into trouble with little short passes.

Absolutely- numerous instances of him passing to players who are being closed down or about to be. Pépé 72 mil and he can’t take a decent corner. Why Arteta continually refuses to pick or bring on Saka is of more concern. He can make a difference. We were totally outplayed and as was previously mentioned - Leeds gave them a game - we didn’t.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Leno made some great reflex saves tonight but the truth is he doesn't command his box and his footwork is atrocious, he continually puts players into trouble with little short passes.

Absolutely- numerous instances of him passing to players who are being closed down or about to be. Pépé 72 mil and he can’t take a decent corner. Why Arteta continually refuses to pick or bring on Saka is of more concern. He can make a difference. We were totally outplayed and as was previously mentioned - Leeds gave them a game - we didn’t.


Odd that we didn't bring on Saka after his midweek performance.

I think Arteta has made some dubious selection and substitution calls but has largely got away with them. Tonight he didn't.


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socrates wrote:
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Dude you gotta be *%^@*** kidding right :laughing7:

If the other 10 players can’t get the further ball up the pitch what can we expect from poor Leno


Not kidding mate, Arteta tells his players to deliberately wait until they are closed down before passing so as to create space and break the press but Leno is too slow with his passing and too often plays a ball out that puts the defender into trouble.


Leno isn’t responsible for the tactics, he didn’t put a foot wrong in that game. People also suggesting he should have come for the second goal and took it off both Bellerin and holdings head.

Cancel culture in effect.


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Not kidding mate, Arteta tells his players to deliberately wait until they are closed down before passing so as to create space and break the press but Leno is too slow with his passing and too often plays a ball out that puts the defender into trouble.


Leno isn’t responsible for the tactics, he didn’t put a foot wrong in that game. People also suggesting he should have come for the second goal and took it off both Bellerin and holdings head.

Cancel culture in effect.


Sorry mate, he's nervy with the ball at his feet and that transmits itself to the other defenders.

Leno should probably have done better with the first goal as well.


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Leno made some great reflex saves tonight but the truth is he doesn't command his box and his footwork is atrocious, he continually puts players into trouble with little short passes.

Absolutely- numerous instances of him passing to players who are being closed down or about to be. Pépé 72 mil and he can’t take a decent corner. Why Arteta continually refuses to pick or bring on Saka is of more concern. He can make a difference. We were totally outplayed and as was previously mentioned - Leeds gave them a game - we didn’t.

That Liverpool performance was streets ahead of how they played against Leeds. They were really sloppy against Leeds. Listen to Klopp's interview. He was buzzing. He thought they were brilliant tonight and he was right.

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We need more dribblers and ball carriers and a more progressive midfield.


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socrates wrote:
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Leno isn’t responsible for the tactics, he didn’t put a foot wrong in that game. People also suggesting he should have come for the second goal and took it off both Bellerin and holdings head.

Cancel culture in effect.


Sorry mate, he's nervy with the ball at his feet and that transmits itself to the other defenders.

Leno should probably have done better with the first goal as well.


What salah inside the area on his left foot. That’s searching


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Is it me or is Lazazette a yard slower than he used to be, not just in terms of pure pace but in terms of the speed with which he turns and gets shots away and things like that.

I’ve been thinking the same for a while socrates. Lacazette is only 29 so shouldn’t be noticeably slower, but I have to agree that he is looking slower. I suppose he was never that quick anyway, so maybe it’s my imagination rather than him actually being slower.

His miss when the Ceballos through ball gave him a one on one was very disappointing.


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Liverpool look streets ahead of everyone else in the league. It's no disgrace to lose up there and we need to dust ourselves off and not get downhearted about it.


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Sorry mate, he's nervy with the ball at his feet and that transmits itself to the other defenders.

Leno should probably have done better with the first goal as well.


What salah inside the area on his left foot. That’s searching


It looked like he just parried it up in the air. I could be wrong but it looked a little soft to me.


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