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Post #411281  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:51 pm 
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We’re not looking quite as confident as we have done recently. Elneny not having enough of an impact centrally, and Willian and Aubameyang not getting enough of the ball.
AMN has been our best player.
Second goal was poor defensively from Bellerin; he should have let Holding go for the header and laid off to wait for the ball to drop.
The first goal; should Leno have done better?

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Post #411282  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:52 pm 
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Frustrating AMN couldn’t control the ball with that through ball to him. If he had and wasn’t offside he’d have had a one on one with the keeper.

He tried to control it on the run with the outside of his right foot, so difficult to do - Henry could do it. The obvious way to do that is let it run across and control it with the instep of your left, you have much more control to kill the ball, it could still hit your calf and be controlled - it will always bounce away from you if it hits the outside of your right shin. Even if you mess it up going with your left it turns in to a scrappy square pass for Aubameyang who is 1v1
Borderline offside - we won't ever know - but we have to be better in those situations


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Post #411283  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:52 pm 
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Frustrating AMN couldn’t control the ball with that through ball to him. If he had and wasn’t offside he’d have had a one on one with the keeper.


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Post #411284  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:52 pm 
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And tbf Liverpool are doing a brilliant job of pressing and closing down as a team. Working hard for each other. Textbook stuff.

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Post #411285  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:53 pm 
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Id be tempted to bring Saka on for Bellerin and move AMN to RWB and bring Saka in at LWB. Saka is better on the ball and could bring some control to the midfield and some creativity.
AMN might get more from Willian


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Post #411286  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:55 pm 
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Alexander Arnold is at his very best tonight. His passing/crossing is outstanding. Maybe throw on Saka to give him something to think about.

Xhaka and Holding are struggling with Liverpool's pressing. They look panicked.

Liverpool are very good this evening, unfortunately.

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Post #411287  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:56 pm 
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Bernard I have no idea why you think I’m being harsh let alone ‘very harsh’ or even ‘over harsh’, I said he played well after the break. I’m just still withholding judgment about whether he’s “Top top” quality from his performances over last season. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he answered that well, but like lots said about Martinez I’d want a larger sample size if games from him at that level.

Because I think you’re taking insufficient account of him being new to England, and the Premier League. Indeed, I’m not sure you took any account of it. Even some of the very best foreign players have started slowly over here. He made a slow start, but still showed skill.


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Post #411288  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:57 pm 
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If you want to be ultra critical on Mané's goal I think Leno should have stronger wrists on Salah's shot, he parries it sideways instead of parrying it out.

2nd goal Bellerin needs to trust Holding and Luiz to go 1v1 with their strikers on the cross, if they are being marked then trust the CB to win the header. Bellerin goes in for the header as well and Robertson is totally free at the back post.

Lacazette has been told to sit on Fabinho to stop him dictating play, sensible enough, but Liverpool are pushing so high that van dijk is pretty much in a holding midfield role and he's spraying passes to their right all day under no pressure.


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Post #411289  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:58 pm 
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Gabriel on for AMN, Tierney LB. Saka for Holding For me

Luiz bypassing our midfield and playing long because he knows it’s *%^@ yet some people think it’s brilliant

Not sure anyone thinks our midfield is brilliant.

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Post #411290  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:00 pm 
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Ash wrote:
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Frustrating AMN couldn’t control the ball with that through ball to him. If he had and wasn’t offside he’d have had a one on one with the keeper.

Offside

Was it? Not seen a reply. Rich said it was borderline but we’ll never know.


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Post #411291  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:02 pm 
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Alexander Arnold is at his very best tonight. His passing/crossing is outstanding. Maybe throw on Saka to give him something to think about.

Xhaka and Holding are struggling with Liverpool's pressing. They look panicked.

Liverpool are very good this evening, unfortunately.

Games like this are why we need that strength on central midfield. I know it is easy to look at players linked but put Partey and Aouar in there and the ball retention, dribbling, pace and power all go up a big notch.
Elneny is a simple metronome, he hasn't given it away much but he's just being used to bounce short passes off and stick to covering space. Xhaka needs space and he isn't getting any and he certainly can't dribble out of the press and isn't great at taking more than one touch when receiving the ball with his back to goal and under pressure.

All this needs to be quantified by just how good Liverpool are playing though. We thought we'd been pretty good at beating the press but the press tonight is in perfect harmony for them


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Men against boys.

I've seen relegation fodder give Liverpool more of a contest than we have.

Xhaka falls over everytime he gets it to try and win a cheap freekick.

Luiz the only one of the back four to come out with any credit and that's only because our best moments have come from his passes.

2 *%^@*** touches in the opposition box!!!.

Leeds *%^@*** caused them a million times more trouble than we have.

We are afraid to play.


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Bernard wrote:
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Offside

Was it? Not seen a reply. Rich said it was borderline but we’ll never know.

As always with these it is the fullback on the opposite side who is closest to playing him on. They showed a replay, but not along the line or with lines drawn on the pitch, but by the cut of the grass it looked very close.


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Bernard wrote:
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Offside

Was it? Not seen a reply. Rich said it was borderline but we’ll never know.

It was offside. Not that it matters.

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dec wrote:
Not sure anyone thinks our midfield is brilliant.

I was thinking the same thing dec.


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Bernard wrote:
dec wrote:
Not sure anyone thinks our midfield is brilliant.

I was thinking the same thing dec.

Hang on ! You’ve changed your tune !


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Post #411297  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:08 pm 
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Get Elneny off please Mikel

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Post #411298  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:11 pm 
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Holding caught in possession again in our own 3rd. He's the definite weak link in this system and style. Ask him to stand in the box and head, block, clear anything round and he's good.


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Post #411299  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:13 pm 
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Second half looking a little bit more like an actual football game so far.


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Post #411300  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:13 pm 
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People laughed at Liverpool for employing a throw in coach but they never lose the balls from throw ins and equally we find it so difficult to retain any decent possession. Specialist coaches much like American sport are going to be the way forward in football I think


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Post #411301  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:15 pm 
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Lacazette must have had 2-3 fouls on him not given by the ref.


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Post #411302  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:16 pm 
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Rich wrote:
Holding caught in possession again in our own 3rd. He's the definite weak link in this system and style. Ask him to stand in the box and head, block, clear anything round and he's good.


I think he is but I feel sorry for the 3 centre halves who are exposed time and again. Not easy if your side can’t retain the ball


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I was thinking the same thing dec.

Hang on ! You’ve changed your tune !

No I haven’t. I don’t ever recall calling our current midfield brilliant.


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Post #411304  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:17 pm 
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Fabinho slides in aggressively on Willian, doesn't win the balll, no free kick given. thankfully Liverpool put it out for us.


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Post #411305  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:17 pm 
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This new offside thing of keeping the flag down is a load of complete and utter bollix.

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Post #411306  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:17 pm 
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Ceballos on for Xhaka, not Elneny.

Hmmmm

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Rich wrote:
Holding caught in possession again in our own 3rd. He's the definite weak link in this system and style. Ask him to stand in the box and head, block, clear anything round and he's good.

He's had some good defensive contributions, but he's just not good enough on the ball. Looks like a good mid-table defender to me.


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Bernard wrote:
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Hang on ! You’ve changed your tune !

No I haven’t. I don’t ever recall calling our current midfield brilliant.

Yesterday you said xhakas passing was of a high level.

We only completed 5 passes in their half in the first and he’s just been dragged off.


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Post #411309  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:19 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rich wrote:
Holding caught in possession again in our own 3rd. He's the definite weak link in this system and style. Ask him to stand in the box and head, block, clear anything round and he's good.


I think he is but I feel sorry for the 3 centre halves who are exposed time and again. Not easy if your side can’t retain the ball

I get that the whole team are struggling and he can't have much confidence playing it in to our central midfield but he seems to make more basic errors. He just let Mané come on to him and pick his pocket 20 yards from goal. I know what the philosophy is but I'd rather boot it 60 yards than give Mané the ball 20 yards from goal in a 1 v1


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Oh Lacazette

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Lacazette must score there.


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Cant afford to miss those. Lacazette 1 v 1 hits it straight at Allison. Must score


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Post #411313  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:22 pm 
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Lacazette and then Aubameyang both atrocious there


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Not going to get many more chances like that, need to make them count.


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Is it worth subbing Willian for Pépé?

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the annoying thing about the very best sides is they always find a way for the ball to fall for them


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No I haven’t. I don’t ever recall calling our current midfield brilliant.

Yesterday you said xhakas passing was of a high level.

We only completed 5 passes in their half in the first and he’s just been dragged off.

So you think saying some of Xhaka’s passing is at a high level equates to me saying we have a brilliant midfield? I’m speechless!


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Is it worth subbing Willian for Pépé?

Absolutely, you might lose some shape and control but give him the last 20, his hold up play is pretty good.


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john1 wrote:
Is it worth subbing Willian for Pépé?


He heard me

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Bernard wrote:
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Yesterday you said xhakas passing was of a high level.

We only completed 5 passes in their half in the first and he’s just been dragged off.

So you think saying some of Xhaka’s passing is at a high level equates to me saying we have a brilliant midfield? I’m speechless!


It’s a high compliment surely ! You said you wouldn’t change it. :laughing7:


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