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Post #411041  Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:07 am 
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I had assumed he had received reassurances (been given the nod) over squad strengthening.

Morning socrates. You’ve said that before and I’ll repeat what I said the last time. There is no way that the club could give him any reassurances about squad strengthening. They wouldn’t have gone any further than saying words to the effect that they hope to make new signings, or that they’d like to.

Sorry, but thinking firm assurances would have been given to Aubameyang strikes me as a bit naive.


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Post #411042  Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2020 10:09 am 
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I must say, if we don't sign anymore players I am scratching my head as to why Aubameyang signed a 3 year deal. It can't have been about money. I had assumed he had received reassurances (been given the nod) over squad strengthening.

Morning Socrates, We're pretty much at net zero spend with Gabriel and Runnarsson being cancelled out by Martinez and a few small fees for younger players or sell on clauses. It would also be valid to argue that Willian replaces Mkhitaryan in terms of cost to the club

It is quite possible that Arsenal need to find a way to be net zero by the end of the window. The list of outs or potential outs is long, Torreira, Guendouzi, Sokratis, Kolasinac, Chambers, Mustafi, Balogun - possibly even Lacazette. The list of ins or potential ins seems to focus on 2 players only at this stage, Partey and Aouar, possibly a striker as well is Lacazette leaves.

Do those 7 (minus lacazette) equal enough money to buy Partey and Aouar? I doubt it.


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I had assumed he had received reassurances (been given the nod) over squad strengthening.

Morning socrates. You’ve said that before and I’ll repeat what I said the last time. There is no way that the club could give him any reassurances about squad strengthening. They wouldn’t have gone any further than saying words to the effect that they hope to make new signings, or that they’d like to.

Sorry, but thinking firm assurances would have been given to Aubameyang strikes me as a bit naive.


I think your right Bernard, this is what I said yesterday. 100 million of our total revenue comes from match day. How can the club say anything whilst it can’t guarantee that income ? A quarter of our income. How can these clubs be just hammering out these transfers ? They must be spending season ticket money paid in advance they don’t know when they will be fulfilling.

I think it’s going to be very difficult to sign many players whilst the Covid madness continues. Might see 1 midfielder come in if we can offload some centre halves on loan.


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I had assumed he had received reassurances (been given the nod) over squad strengthening.

Morning socrates. You’ve said that before and I’ll repeat what I said the last time. There is no way that the club could give him any reassurances about squad strengthening. They wouldn’t have gone any further than saying words to the effect that they hope to make new signings, or that they’d like to.

Sorry, but thinking firm assurances would have been given to Aubameyang strikes me as a bit naive.


Bernard, this is football we are talking about, I think its naive to think that Aubameyang's contract discussions did not include him discussing the clubs plans for this transfer window and beyond. I am not saying they gave him names, of course not, but they will surely have told him they expected to bring in a number of players.

I would be amazed if Aubameyang signed a 3 year deal, at his age, without some reassurances over the level of the club's ambitions. That would make no sense unless Aubameyang himself is happy to play outside of the CL and challenge only for minor trophies. If I was Aubameyang I most certainly would not be signing a new deal without believing that the club has big ambitions which can only be met by, amongst other things, bringing in better players.


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Messi the gooner. lol...not realistic but fun story. Even if he had come we wouldn't have been able t hang on to him but for a few years probably.

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...I would be amazed if Aubameyang signed a 3 year deal, at his age, without some reassurances over the level of the club's ambitions. That would make no sense unless Aubameyang himself is happy to play outside of the CL and challenge only for minor trophies. If I was Aubameyang I most certainly would not be signing a new deal without believing that the club has big ambitions which can only be met by, amongst other things, bringing in better players.
On the other hand with the possibility that Covid will be with us for years (no sign it is going away yet), thereby reducing the income of even the biggest clubs for a number of seasons, maybe Aubemayang opted for stability and the lucrative money on offer at Arsenal while it is there for the taking? In his career he has very few winners medals - the couple with a club he likes may mean more to him than we imagine?

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socrates wrote:
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Morning socrates. You’ve said that before and I’ll repeat what I said the last time. There is no way that the club could give him any reassurances about squad strengthening. They wouldn’t have gone any further than saying words to the effect that they hope to make new signings, or that they’d like to.

Sorry, but thinking firm assurances would have been given to Aubameyang strikes me as a bit naive.

Bernard, this is football we are talking about, I think its naive to think that Aubameyang's contract discussions did not include him discussing the clubs plans for this transfer window and beyond. I am not saying they gave him names, of course not, but they will surely have told him they expected to bring in a number of players.

I would be amazed if Aubameyang signed a 3 year deal, at his age, without some reassurances over the level of the club's ambitions. That would make no sense unless Aubameyang himself is happy to play outside of the CL and challenge only for minor trophies. If I was Aubameyang I most certainly would not be signing a new deal without believing that the club has big ambitions which can only be met by, amongst other things, bringing in better players.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by assurances. The club probably told him, as I said in my post, that they hoped to sign another player or two. When I saw your use of the word, I took you meaning ‘assurance’ as some sort of promise or guarantee. I simply think it’s naive to believe the club would or could give such a promise or guarantee. An expression of hope or a desire to is about as strong as it can get, in my opinion. That isn’t what I’d call an assurance:


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There is another way of considering all this. A cynic might observe that when a player demands assurances on spending, what they really mean is spending on ME ME ME!

Bugger the team and new players, what they want is an assurance that the Club has the ambition to pay their enormously bloated and inflated salary.


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If Arsenal persist with the back 3 through this season we clearly have enough CB to make this work, but once we've got rid of the ones we don't want we run the risk of having an imbalance in numbers, ability and experience on the left side.
Luiz - best in the middle, could play right or left
Gabriel - probably best on the left or in the middle
Mari - probably best on the left or in the middle
Tierney - only used on the left of a back 3
Kolasinac - only used on the left of a back 3

Saliba - probably best used on the right of the 3
Mustafi - best on the right of the 3
Sokratis - best used on the right of the 3
Holding - can play right or left of the 3
Chambers - best used on the right of the 3

Apart from Kolasinac all the strength is on the left. Saliba is still very young. Holding can be up and down still. Mustafi looked like our best defender at the back end of last year, but only 1 year left on his deal so its now or never to get a fee for him.
We need to get rid of at least 3 of them. If Mustafi is only generating a nominal fee I'd keep him and sell Sokratis, Kolasinac and Chambers

What is the best 3 if everyone is fit?


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Would love a solid Sol Campbell type for the middle.

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DHD wrote:
There is another way of considering all this. A cynic might observe that when a player demands assurances on spending, what they really mean is spending on ME ME ME!

Bugger the team and new players, what they want is an assurance that the Club has the ambition to pay their enormously bloated and inflated salary.


Yes absolutely, let’s not forget Ashley Cole was still playing for the league champions who had just completed an unbeaten season when he met with Mourinho because of money. Don’t give me all this claptrap about footballing integrity

Also let’s be honest, if Aubameyang was 27 and not 31 and it wasn’t during Covid he never would have signed the deal.


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I wonder if Alexis demanded ‘assurances’ from Man U about buying players before signing a £500k per week contract? Anyone think Özil asked for any assurances beyond soft fluffy towels?

It’s mostly bollocks. Players don’t give a *%^@ about much beyond their personal remuneration. Man U have been signing ‘ambitious’ world-class players - NAMES - for years without a sniff of European opportunity.


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old man of hoy wrote:
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...I would be amazed if Aubameyang signed a 3 year deal, at his age, without some reassurances over the level of the club's ambitions. That would make no sense unless Aubameyang himself is happy to play outside of the CL and challenge only for minor trophies. If I was Aubameyang I most certainly would not be signing a new deal without believing that the club has big ambitions which can only be met by, amongst other things, bringing in better players.
On the other hand with the possibility that Covid will be with us for years (no sign it is going away yet), thereby reducing the income of even the biggest clubs for a number of seasons, maybe Aubemayang opted for stability and the lucrative money on offer at Arsenal while it is there for the taking? In his career he has very few winners medals - the couple with a club he likes may mean more to him than we imagine?

Maybe he stipulated that he only wants central midfielders who pass the ball sideways?

Perhaps he's come to relish the challenge of having to come back and fetch it himself?

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Haha, was just joking. In Scotland, maybe. Naples definitely.

He is/was so revered in Argentina, almost god-like status. I can't think of another player treated as such since. Maybe when India produces a world class player will we see such veneration to a player again.

Maradona is unique. He is like a proper god, in the old pagan tradition, full of foibles and drama and corruption, along with the heroism and divine talent. None of this 'holier than thou' Judeo-Christian malarkey about the divine Diego!

Yes, isn't he though. A powerful player by reputation.

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Players are by and large like reptiles - cold and calculating, warmed only by money and adulation. Their agents add to their ridiculous financial requirements to satisfy their own equally ludicrous aspirations. Their PR professionals reinvent them as grounded and caring - but they really ain’t like that.

They are dung beetles, mining the opportunities on offer.


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DHD wrote:
There is another way of considering all this. A cynic might observe that when a player demands assurances on spending, what they really mean is spending on ME ME ME!

Bugger the team and new players, what they want is an assurance that the Club has the ambition to pay their enormously bloated and inflated salary.

Well all considered, nothing shameful in Aubameyang wanting 'assurances' all round. Especially knowing the type of owner we have.

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Back 3 months ago after that Maupay incident, the curly long haired one, apparently asked for a transfer when speaking to Arsenal chiefs.

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DHD wrote:
Players are by and large like reptiles - cold and calculating, warmed only by money and adulation. Their agents add to their ridiculous financial requirements to satisfy their own equally ludicrous aspirations. Their PR professionals reinvent them as grounded and caring - but they really ain’t like that.

They are dung beetles, mining the opportunities on offer.

Well, as reptilian dung beetles go I prefer the sort that score goals for fun, work hard for the team, and seem to appreciate the adulation. :laughing7:

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Apparently the transfer request story has no legs. Twitter rumours that ran wild. Why would a player who has been shopped all over Europe still go out an ask for a transfer? He is in the market already.


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The last player to demand guarantees of signings and actual names of players was RVP. It never ended well that conversation with Gazidis. We all know where he ended up a year later lifting the PL.


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Moyes and 2 West Ham players test positive for Covid. We only played them 3 days ago. Hopefully nothing transmitted to Arsenal players


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Apparently the transfer request story has no legs. Twitter rumours that ran wild. Why would a player who has been shopped all over Europe still go out an ask for a transfer? He is in the market already.


That makes a lot of sense. Transfer request usually just means the player foregoes the laughably named ‘loyalty payment’. It’s a last resort to force your way out, and as you say the club are all but wearing their feet out trying to kick him out the door.


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Moyes and 2 West Ham players test positive for Covid. We only played them 3 days ago. Hopefully nothing transmitted to Arsenal players

I would have thought that if the sick players were in the team our whole team would be locked down and no games. Given some research I have heard about suggests that you can be contagious For 5 days without showing symptoms it becomes very messy. Maybe the testing will show if u have it.

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Moyes and 2 West Ham players test positive for Covid. We only played them 3 days ago. Hopefully nothing transmitted to Arsenal players

I would have thought that if the sick players were in the team our whole team would be locked down and no games. Given some research I have heard about suggests that you can be contagious For 5 days without showing symptoms it becomes very messy. Maybe the testing will show if u have it.

No doubt neither club is taking any chances being that the Carabao match is tomorrow. Testing possibly done today and again prior to match.

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The last player to demand guarantees of signings and actual names of players was RVP. It never ended well that conversation with Gazidis. We all know where he ended up a year later lifting the PL.

Kroenke I believe owned more than 50% of Arsenal by the time RVP left in 2012. Full ownership in 2018.

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Kroenke I believe owned more than 50% of Arsenal by the time RVP left in 2012. Full ownership in 2018.

Very much more than 50% by 2012 Zed. Kroenke owned two-thirds (66.64%) of the club as early as April 2011 when Fiszman died.


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I would have thought that if the sick players were in the team our whole team would be locked down and no games. Given some research I have heard about suggests that you can be contagious For 5 days without showing symptoms it becomes very messy. Maybe the testing will show if u have it.

No doubt neither club is taking any chances being that the Carabao match is tomorrow. Testing possibly done today and again prior to match.

Worrying times as your season can be totally derailed if you have to defer a large number of games. Season is already crowded enough

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Very much more than 50% by 2012 Zed. Kroenke owned two-thirds (66.64%) of the club as early as April 2011 when Fiszman died.

It was two-thirds at the time in 2011 Bernard, yes.

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No doubt neither club is taking any chances being that the Carabao match is tomorrow. Testing possibly done today and again prior to match.

Worrying times as your season can be totally derailed if you have to defer a large number of games. Season is already crowded enough

Too much fixture congestion lately. Seems C19 tests were done Monday.

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I wonder if Alexis demanded ‘assurances’ from Man U about buying players before signing a £500k per week contract? Anyone think Özil asked for any assurances beyond soft fluffy towels?

It’s mostly bollocks. Players don’t give a *%^@ about much beyond their personal remuneration. Man U have been signing ‘ambitious’ world-class players - NAMES - for years without a sniff of European opportunity.


LOL..generally speaking I wholeheartedly agree with you. But there are exceptions. Cesc left because we didn't have a good squad and didn't seem like we would.
RvP was reportedly asking the same about who to buy, etc. but with him its hard to tell.

So, we get down to Aubameyang and I think with him, I can see him wanting to know that we are not going to spend the next few years fighting to be top half of the table.

Normally, I'd certainly agree many if not most players are looking for the pay.

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Quite surreal. Just been watching the highlights of last night’s West Ham game. Whenever West Ham scored a blast of Twist and Shout was relayed over the sound system to the empty stadium. All sounded weird and incredibly naff.

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Moyes and 2 West Ham players test positive for Covid.


Jesus, this means Wilfried Zaha probably has it too then.


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Zed wrote:
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Worrying times as your season can be totally derailed if you have to defer a large number of games. Season is already crowded enough

Too much fixture congestion lately. Seems C19 tests were done Monday.

I read that all Arsenal players were tested at some point after the West Ham game and there were no positives. Like all clubs, the players and staff must be being tested multiple times each week. The stakes are so high if there is an outbreak


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Ornstein saying Arsenal are open to letting Reis Nelson go on loan this season. With Willian joining and Saka and AMN being able to play right wing I think it is the right decision. Get him playing a full season of prem football - including penalty clauses for the team who takes him if he doesn't get enough game time. Then reassess next summer.
Ornstein also saying Partey and Aouar remain the primary targets but Arsenal have back ups.

One player who's name has been linked with a number of clubs previously but I've not heard much this summer is Dennis Zakaria, plays for Muchengladbach, central midfield, 23, Swiss international. When Xhaka blew up there was talk of us trying to send Xhaka there in exchange for this lad


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Maybe he stipulated that he only wants central midfielders who pass the ball sideways? Perhaps he's come to relish the challenge of having to come back and fetch it himself?
When needed we do have a bloke sitting on the sidelines who is a more than useful opener of defences. I don't mind a sideways pass provided it eventually gets to somebody with imagination - the great Gilberto played many of them for Arsenal and Brazil.

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When needed we do have a bloke sitting on the sidelines who is a more than useful opener of defences. I don't mind a sideways pass provided it eventually gets to somebody with imagination - the great Gilberto played many of them for Arsenal and Brazil.


I think not playing/including Özil in the team could be to avoid paying him any extra bonuses. He would still get his basic but the club sort of save a bit of money.

'Özil' and 'saving money' look odd in the same post. But yes.

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I think not playing/including Özil in the team could be to avoid paying him any extra bonuses. He would still get his basic but the club sort of save a bit of money.

'Özil' and 'saving money' look odd in the same post. But yes.

It’ll be interesting to see if Özil gets in the team tonight. If he isn’t selected for even the League Cup, the odds on him having already played his last game for Arsenal will shorten, I imagine. Same goes for Guendouzi.


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Ornstein saying Arsenal are open to letting Reis Nelson go on loan this season. With Willian joining and Saka and AMN being able to play right wing I think it is the right decision. Get him playing a full season of prem football - including penalty clauses for the team who takes him if he doesn't get enough game time. Then reassess next summer.
Ornstein also saying Partey and Aouar remain the primary targets but Arsenal have back ups.

One player who's name has been linked with a number of clubs previously but I've not heard much this summer is Dennis Zakaria, plays for Muchengladbach, central midfield, 23, Swiss international. When Xhaka blew up there was talk of us trying to send Xhaka there in exchange for this lad


I believe we can only register 17 non-homegrown players for the 25-man squad? We need to ship out a few to make space for new midfielders.

Arsenal have 19 non Homegrown players over the age of 21: Leno, Runnarsson Tierney, Sokratis, Gabriel, Ceballos, Lacazette, Özil, Torreira, Willian, Aubameyang, Cédric, Pépé, Mustafi, Pablo Mari, David Luiz, Elneny, Kolasinac, and Xhaka
The limit is 17 so we need to move 3 players on (or not include them in our squad *cough Özil cough*) to be able to make a signing
I would think Sokratis, Kolasinac, Torreira, Elneny are the ones targeted to move - as well as Guendouzi but he doesn't come in to this listing yet.
It doesn't mean we can't buy before we sell because we could buy Partey, not find a buyer for Sokratis (for example) and just not include him in our Prem squad for the season


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Wolves sold Doherty for £15m and just sign Semedo from barca for up to £37m. Doesn't seem to make sense.

BBC also show a graphic that Wolves are 1 CB away from being able to field an entire Portuguese 11. It makes you wonder how Wolves are complying with the home grown and non home grown rules. They only have 4 englishmen in their entire first team squad


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