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Post #374601  Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:45 am 
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I cannot understand why the club doesn't just sack him and let him argue in Court that he is the player we agreed to pay £350000 a week for his services.

After all isn't a footballer a club asset, bought for a purpose for which he is no longer fit? What do we have to lose? He has been given every chance to improve his career but has made no effort to secure a place in the first team has he?

Sack him and see what happens......................


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Post #374602  Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:50 am 
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As long as he's physically fit and it's the manager's choice not to involve him in the squad, I don't see how the club would have a case. As far as I know, he's made himself available for selection and Arteta is the one choosing not to play him - probably rightly so, but it means Özil is fulfilling his contractual obligation.


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This is such a weird article. So now we're counting signing on fees and potential bonuses as part of a players salary? If they want to do that, they should do it across the bord - Aubameyang is probably earning north of 300k/week then, and I assume they're going to mention Pogba's wage as 350-400k from now on?


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Post #374605  Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:05 am 
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He's not a serious footballer because a serious footballer would not flitter away the remaining years of what is a after all a short career. It's not like he's short of a few bob and couldn't take a pay-cut to play somewhere every week.

Arseblog made a good point that a player who is serious about reclaiming his place in the team doesn't give an interview like this. Whether Özil thinks he's been treated unfairly by the club or not, it just sends all the wrong signals. Compare it to players like Xhaka and Ceballos who were out in the cold for various reasons, but managed to get back into the team by working hard and producing solid performances when called upon. Think that's the only way to do it.


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As long as he's physically fit and it's the manager's choice not to involve him in the squad, I don't see how the club would have a case. As far as I know, he's made himself available for selection and Arteta is the one choosing not to play him - probably rightly so, but it means Özil is fulfilling his contractual obligation.


I don't disagree with you but all legal cases are legal till someone proves they are illegal. :36angers:

A player can work to rule can an employer not do the same? put some stress into the situation. Maqke him captain of the youth team. Make him play an away game every week. Make him train till he drops. There has to be somthing that will break him.


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Post #374607  Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:19 am 
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Willian confirmed on Arsenal.com and on Sky Sports News.


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Post #374608  Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:20 am 
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https://www.arsenal.com/news/arteta-gav ... me-arsenal

Willian officially announced.
Arteta spoke about his versatility in attacking midfield and wide areas


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A Chelsea supporting friend said if he could only win one final, he'd much rather prefer the Europa cup final against us rather than the FA cup final. I had to agree. :20hospitals:

....not that I'm not happy about the win.

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If the stories about 32 year old Willian earning 220k a week on a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th then I want to know exactly whay they are smoking over at Arsenal because I want some of it.

Willian is a very good player but you can't tell me there is not better value in the post covid market than this.


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You can debate his wages and us becoming a chelsea retirement home but when all is said and done whenever I’ve Watched chelsea he’s usually the player likely to get on the ball and make something happen.

His band the black eyed peas are pretty good too


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Post #374612  Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:36 am 
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If the stories about 32 year old Willian earning 220k a week on a 3 year deal with an option for a 4th then I want to know exactly whay they are smoking over at Arsenal because I want some of it.

Willian is a very good player but you can't tell me there is not better value in the post covid market than this.


I read the 220 includes bonuses for winning the league and qualifying for the champions league.

If that happens I’ll gladly pay him that !,


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Some definite question marks regarding age and money, but Willian also ticks a fair amount of boxes looking at our needs. He's a class player, experienced, can deliver right away, creative, versatile, and the most important point for me is that Arteta seemingly wanted to sign him. That means he probably has a good idea about how he wants to use Willian, and I'm all for letting him build the team. Hopefully more to follow now!


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Accusation emerges Arsenal signed Willian for the wrong reasons

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... s-22520360

"But the Sky Sports pundit has questioned whether the Brazilian is actually an Arteta signing, or whether he has been snapped up for business reasons."


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...There has to be somthing that will break him.
Wow! The new Arsenal way...

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You can debate his wages and us becoming a chelsea retirement home but when all is said and done whenever I’ve Watched chelsea he’s usually the player likely to get on the ball and make something happen.

His band the black eyed peas are pretty good too


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Wow! The new Arsenal way...


The SG forum way (a few), don't blame The Arsenal.

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Edu’s comment about “squad rebalancing” is key

I’d expect Lacazette to be sold, Willian as a cheap way of adding experience in the final third and the money to be re invested in midfield.

Could also refer to offloading some of the excess centre halves we have acquired, Sokratis, Holding or Chambers.


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bubblechris wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
As long as he's physically fit and it's the manager's choice not to involve him in the squad, I don't see how the club would have a case. As far as I know, he's made himself available for selection and Arteta is the one choosing not to play him - probably rightly so, but it means Özil is fulfilling his contractual obligation.


I don't disagree with you but all legal cases are legal till someone proves they are illegal. :36angers:

A player can work to rule can an employer not do the same? put some stress into the situation. Maqke him captain of the youth team. Make him play an away game every week. Make him train till he drops. There has to be somthing that will break him.


No it’s called workplace harassment and discrimination Einstein


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bubblechris wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
As long as he's physically fit and it's the manager's choice not to involve him in the squad, I don't see how the club would have a case. As far as I know, he's made himself available for selection and Arteta is the one choosing not to play him - probably rightly so, but it means Özil is fulfilling his contractual obligation.

I don't disagree with you but all legal cases are legal till someone proves they are illegal. :36angers:

A player can work to rule can an employer not do the same? put some stress into the situation. Maqke him captain of the youth team. Make him play an away game every week. Make him train till he drops. There has to be somthing that will break him.

Hi bubblechris. I suspect Hazuki is right. Özil presumably turns up for training and makes himself available for selection, even if when he played before the lockdown Arteta wasn’t satisfied with his performances.

As an employer I doubt the club would be able to make him train differently to other players, if that’s what you mean by making ‘him train till he drops.’ You also suggest making him the captain of the youth team. I don’t know but I would assume there’s a maximum age at which players are allowed to play for the youth team. If there is, he will surely be way above it. But even if there isn’t, I don’t see that breaking Özil. He will do everything he formally has to in order to get his £350k a week until the end of June next year.


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If we're linked with a player I go and look who his agent is. Sergio Reguilon is the latest one linked and lo and behold his agent is Kia.
He's a Real Madrid left back - certainly an improvement on Kolasinac but the money should surely be invested in other areas of the team. If we don't sell AMN then we have Tierney, Saka, AMN and even Cédric can play LB and that if we sell Kolasinac and don't replace him.


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You can debate his wages and us becoming a chelsea retirement home but when all is said and done whenever I’ve Watched chelsea he’s usually the player likely to get on the ball and make something happen.

His band the black eyed peas are pretty good too


Yeah but his band disbanded and most retired so not sure that's what we need. :laughing7:

In seriousness I've liked him as a player to beat his man and will provide competition and backup for Pépé. just hope he can stay injury free. Can't recall too much about his final ball though which will be vital once his pace starts to go.


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Frankly I can't wait.

Rams owner Stan Kroenke and team chief operating officer Kevin Demoff are on the list to be deposed, as well as NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners of the rest of the teams in the league, including Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones.

The depositions are set to start in September, and wrap up four months later with the trial beginning in 2021.

If St. Louis could prove "unjust enrichment" against the Rams and the NFL, they could come away with more than $2 billion. That's the difference between the Rams' value now, and the Rams' value in 2015 in St. Louis.

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Emerson the chelsea left back (remember him) is meant to be going to Inter Milan for £23m. Is he actually any better than Kolasinac? It can't be that our players have extraordinarily high wages because our total wage bill is still the 5th biggest in the league.

How do other clubs manage to still get proper fees for the players they want to discard but we cant shift anyone unless it is on a free?


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https://www.chelsea-news.co/2020/08/wil ... ol-player/

William earning more than any Liverpool player. Bizarre if true.

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From the points Man U signed Bruno Fernandes here are some stats of Fernandes v Willian

Ignore goals scored for the moment because both took a number of penalties

Chances created: Bruno 30. Willian 29
Big chances created: Bruno 3. Willian 6
Touches in the box: Bruno 42. Willian 46

Of course football isn't just stats but worth highlighting to any Arsenal fan who might be a bit deflated by Willian's signing. Yes we can moan about age and wage - but he's still a very good player who does give us something we're missing


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Gunfire wrote:
https://www.chelsea-news.co/2020/08/willian-now-9th-highest-paid-player-league-earning-every-liverpool-player/

William earning more than any Liverpool player. Bizarre if true.

It isn't, it's a bad interpretation of even worse journalism. The original article mentioning the 220k per week thing even stated that the basic wage is 100k, and 220k is the figure they arrived to after dividing the signing on fee over the length of the contract and adding potential(key word) bonuses. That figure is now being compared to other players basic wages without adding their bonuses and signing on fees.


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Hazuki wrote:
Gunfire wrote:
https://www.chelsea-news.co/2020/08/willian-now-9th-highest-paid-player-league-earning-every-liverpool-player/

William earning more than any Liverpool player. Bizarre if true.

It isn't, it's a bad interpretation of even worse journalism. The original article mentioning the 220k per week thing even stated that the basic wage is 100k, and 220k is the figure they arrived to after dividing the signing on fee over the length of the contract and adding potential(key word) bonuses. That figure is now being compared to other players basic wages without adding their bonuses and signing on fees.


Well no doubt Kia made out pretty good as well. Just saying.

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Hazuki wrote:
Gunfire wrote:
https://www.chelsea-news.co/2020/08/willian-now-9th-highest-paid-player-league-earning-every-liverpool-player/

William earning more than any Liverpool player. Bizarre if true.

It isn't, it's a bad interpretation of even worse journalism. The original article mentioning the 220k per week thing even stated that the basic wage is 100k, and 220k is the figure they arrived to after dividing the signing on fee over the length of the contract and adding potential(key word) bonuses. That figure is now being compared to other players basic wages without adding their bonuses and signing on fees.

It is click bait and inflammatory journalism. Willian on a pay decrease from Chelsea doesn’t make headlines or get clicks, so let’s put his signing on fee and all his bonuses and call that his weekly wage so it rules up Arsenal fans.
I don’t mind players topping up wages with big bonuses or bonuses for winning things. If Arsenal are winning trophies then the bonuses are justified


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Rumour going around twitter Raul Sanelhi has been sacked for making an excessive 10 million payment to Jorge Mendes for the Pépé transfer.

Interesting reports yesterday about an investigation. If true it’s never ending the problems we have off the pitch. Endless circle of different incompetent arseholes


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Bayern tearing Barca to shreds. 4-1 in half an hour.


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Rumour going around twitter Raul Sanelhi has been sacked for making an excessive 10 million payment to Jorge Mendes for the Pépé transfer.

Interesting reports yesterday about an investigation. If true it’s never ending the problems we have off the pitch. Endless circle of different incompetent arseholes

I had to add this in. Not my words though.

To clear up some of the nonsense being spouted regarding Arsenal- Raul Sanllehi HAS NOT been sacked. But there have been some serious allegations made regarding the number of intermediaries used for the Pépé transfer that resulted in A LOT of additional costs.

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Zed wrote:
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Rumour going around twitter Raul Sanelhi has been sacked for making an excessive 10 million payment to Jorge Mendes for the Pépé transfer.

Interesting reports yesterday about an investigation. If true it’s never ending the problems we have off the pitch. Endless circle of different incompetent arseholes

I had to add this in. Not my words though.

To clear up some of the nonsense being spouted regarding Arsenal- Raul Sanllehi HAS NOT been sacked. But there have been some serious allegations made regarding the number of intermediaries used for the Pépé transfer that resulted in A LOT of additional costs.

I suppose at least Pépé is a decent player. Could have been worse and got Pal Lyderson and john Jensen


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Bayern tearing Barca to shreds. 4-1 in half an hour.


8-2 in extra time. Barca players are now 10 a penny......


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bubblechris wrote:
bromley gooner wrote:
Bayern tearing Barca to shreds. 4-1 in half an hour.


8-2 in extra time. Barca players are now 10 a penny......


Gosh 8-2 eh. I can’t IMAGINE how that must feel... :16surprise:


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8-2 in extra time. Barca players are now 10 a penny......

Gosh 8-2 eh. I can’t IMAGINE how that must feel... :16surprise:

Wonder what odds an 8-2 Bayern win would have been before the game? Astonishing result, albeit one I’m absolutely delighted about.


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2 goals and an assist for that lazy *%^@** coutinho.


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Have to say I always enjoy watching Bayern Munich down the years, great football. Something likeable about them

( yes, yes , yes I’m aware they always smash us)


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Have to say I always enjoy watching Bayern Munich down the years, great football. Something likeable about them

( yes, yes , yes I’m aware they always smash us)


For me it’s the hard work and the humility (only compared to other European giants, I know they are not thought of as humble in Germany) they do their job, they’re brilliant at it, they win.

Barca are a wreck of their former selves, it was glorious to watch :42laughter: Steve McManaman called it 20 minutes in, he said it was like watching the 7-2 when Germany beat Brazil.

I don’t mind who wins it so long as not City. Maybe not Leipzig with the subverting Of the German 50+1 club ownership rules and their weird tiered feeder club system feels like a huge unfair advantage, incidentally Upamencano, who was immense again in the win against Atleti, has a a release clause activated in 2021 for €42M! That might be the GDP of the UK by then though...


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...we can't be talking about the same Bayern Munich side that outplayed Man Utd and let them have 2 goals in extra time? We can't be talking about the same Bayern Munich who let Chelsea beat them on their own grounds and enabled Chelsea to be the first London side with a European cup? Not the same one that finds enough quality to beat us though.

Surely not that Bayern Munich. F. Scott Fitzgerald. F. Murray Abraham. FBI, ...and F Bayern Munich.

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