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Post #503681  Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:20 pm 
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For me the 2 Kroenke mistakes are not sacking Wenger quick enough although 50% of our fans still wanted him even at the end almost and an owner cant act under that circumstance. The second is appointing Emery who was the wrong guy. Even Emery though had to deal with Arsenes cloud looming over the club and wasn’t allowed to sign Zaha with the board preferring Pépé.

I remember you being supportive of Emery. What seemed to turn you off him was him falling in love with Xhaka. Well Arteta seems to love Xhaka as well. All his managers appear to. Not only Wenger, Emery, Ljungberg and Arteta at Arsenal. But the Swiss national manager and the guy who was at Borussia Monchengladbach.

I’m not convinced by Zaha. He would have cost as much as Pépé (I’m sure I recall his price being £70m last summer), and I think I’d prefer Pépé. Indeed, Pépé has had a more than decent first season. Very fast, loads of skill, and younger so hopefully has more resale value. I’d take him over Zaha.

Onto good news, Bayern beat Chelsea 4-1 tonight, so 7-1 on aggregate. So Chelsea won’t be winning anything this season.


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Word is after Aubameyang signs, Lacazette is being sold to Aletico. Aubameyang and Lacazette are very close friends. It won't go over well but I understand we have sell before we can buy additional players past the 30 mil budget.

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Post #503683  Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:07 am 
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Not too difficult to compile the list of best club in each county.

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Chelsea can afford not to offer Willian a 3 year contract. They have immense resources, even though they aren't spending as they did in '04, '05.
We are finished 8th and we must come out like our backs are against the wall. We can get back to top 6 and top 4 in 2 years if we get the right players. Willian is a great player. We are not going to get someone of his quality with our resources. He may only be good for 2 of the next 3 seasons but if he plays as he has been and we keep Aubameyang and get a couple players we will be very, very good going forward. We just need to shore up the defense. We get decent at defending, holding onto most leads, more clean sheets, we will be tough to beat and be in position to challenge Tottenham in the table. I'm not sure we can challenge Man Utd and Chelsea yet. It depends on who they buy.
The biggest obstacle to Tottenham is Mourinho himself. He has us sussed out. Not sure if we have ever beaten him in league play no matter what side he's managed.

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Watching the Anelka documentary and about 3/4 through. Usually you expect to be sympathetic to the person its about but I wasn't. I am coming away thinking he's immature.

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Post #503686  Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:39 pm 
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Watching the Anelka documentary and about 3/4 through. Usually you expect to be sympathetic to the person its about but I wasn't. I am coming away thinking he's immature.


Takes one to ............ no, too easy. A tap in.

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Post #503687  Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2020 6:55 pm 
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Watching the Anelka documentary and about 3/4 through. Usually you expect to be sympathetic to the person its about but I wasn't. I am coming away thinking he's immature.


Ditto, it was ridiculous

I watched up until he started skipping training at Madrid then turned off.

Whole thing is propaganda to make him look less of the compete and utter helmet he actually is. He doesn’t respect anybody and actually I found it a little embarrassing that Arsene agreed to be interviewed for it considering how much Anelka left him in the lurch.


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Post #503688  Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:11 am 
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I wonder what Arsenal will do with the GK situation. Martinez has apparently made it clear he wants assurances over minutes before extending his contract which runs out in 2 years. Leno's contract runs until 2023.
It feels like we can't really have both as 1 will always be unhappy. I saw rumours that Burnley were asking for £50m for Nick Pope - there's an english inflation on the price but considering our two GK are 27/28 there have easily 6-7 years where they can still be at the top of the game.

So, if you could only keep 1 and sell the other which way round is it? I think Martinez might count as a home grown player as well, is a year younger, on lower wages and Leno may be the one that attracts the higher transfer fee. In an ideal world you find a way to keep them both but when there are gaping holes in the rest of your squad it doesn't make sense to have a £30m+ GK sitting on the bench when that money could plug a hole in defence or central midfield.


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So, if you could only keep 1 and sell the other which way round is it? I think Martinez might count as a home grown player as well, is a year younger, on lower wages and Leno may be the one that attracts the higher transfer fee. In an ideal world you find a way to keep them both but when there are gaping holes in the rest of your squad it doesn't make sense to have a £30m+ GK sitting on the bench when that money could plug a hole in defence or central midfield.

I know I made a post not long ago about how we maybe should be looking to sell Martinez in the summer if a big bid comes in, but he's made the decision more difficult with each game he's played. I do agree it's probably not possible to keep them both on for much longer, but it won't be easy to choose between them.

Martinez looks more assured on crosses and corners, although I think Leno isn't as bad as suggested in this area. Leno is better 1v1 and have better reflexes. I like the way Martinez often manages to hold on to the ball when making saves, not leaving any rebounds. And then there's the experience bit; as impressive as Martinez has been, it's still a run of about 10 games, whereas Leno has been a starting keeper at the top level for nine years.

Not an easy decision, and I guess some of it depends on Leno's injury, but seeing as we need to strengthen the squad a bit and aren't flush with cash, it might be poor asset management to hold on to both of them.


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I viewed only to see how we were mentioned.


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Martinez and Leno are roughly the same age, Leno is the more highly regarded. He's going to expect his starting position back. I wonder if Arteta can keep both of them happy? Would Martinez be satisfied with cups and if there is a fixture congestion, or matches too close together then he starts?

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I read Emery has made a formil bid for Guendouzi. I can't see him staying. He knows Emery and its got to be a serious vote of confidence to get a bid. Its just a question of how much now, if reports are true.

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I can understand the sentiments of Chelsea fans.
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Sky saying 2 clubs are in for AMN 2 from the premiership including Tottenham :8surprise: and one from the bundesliga


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One of the best things to happen for The Arsenal was Newcastle not being bought by the prince of Saudi Arabia. Had that happened in about 2 or more years, they would be top 6 and eventually top 4. He has the money to do it. And just like Chelsea and City, after an initial start buying willy nilly, they would eventually get the right combination of manager and quality players and win titles. That kind of money rarely doesn't win eventually. Had that happen it would have made it one more big hurdle to get back to top 6 and eventually top 4. (I'm sure Sunderland are happy as well. Although not in the same league they would hate tot see their fiercest rivals as title winners).

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Sky saying 2 clubs are in for AMN 2 from the premiership including Tottenham :8surprise: and one from the bundesliga

Really don’t want to see him go....but he must be at peak value right now. If a few clubs are in for him then that increases the price. Look at what prices clubs put on talented young English players currently. Max Arrons for example at Norwich, £25-30m. We should be pushing AMN price north of that, don’t like the idea of him going to spurs.


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So, if you could only keep 1 and sell the other which way round is it? I think Martinez might count as a home grown player as well, is a year younger, on lower wages and Leno may be the one that attracts the higher transfer fee. In an ideal world you find a way to keep them both but when there are gaping holes in the rest of your squad it doesn't make sense to have a £30m+ GK sitting on the bench when that money could plug a hole in defence or central midfield.

I know I made a post not long ago about how we maybe should be looking to sell Martinez in the summer if a big bid comes in, but he's made the decision more difficult with each game he's played. I do agree it's probably not possible to keep them both on for much longer, but it won't be easy to choose between them.

Martinez looks more assured on crosses and corners, although I think Leno isn't as bad as suggested in this area. Leno is better 1v1 and have better reflexes. I like the way Martinez often manages to hold on to the ball when making saves, not leaving any rebounds. And then there's the experience bit; as impressive as Martinez has been, it's still a run of about 10 games, whereas Leno has been a starting keeper at the top level for nine years.

Not an easy decision, and I guess some of it depends on Leno's injury, but seeing as we need to strengthen the squad a bit and aren't flush with cash, it might be poor asset management to hold on to both of them.


Hi Haz,

If Martinez's form is indicative of what he will produce for the remainder of his career then I would suggest he is the more rounded keeper, more commanding, better on crosses, better with the ball at his feet and prefers to catch/hold rather than punch/parry, which is a quality many keepers have lost as the balls have changed over the years.

You might argue that if Arteta want's to continue to play out from the back (City style) then Martinez's superiority with the ball at his feet is a crucial factor.

Of course we are yet to see how Martinez copes with a hostile crowd but that is probably months away at best.

Big decision but you are right that a club supposedly short on funds can't really justify a back-up keeper of either Leno's or Martinez's quality.


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I think too much negativity is being made of Leno’s distribution, which in my view is pretty damn good. I also agree with Hazuki’s comments on Leno with crosses. I realise he gave Chelsea their winner at the Emirates but I think Leno is way better on crosses than some have given him credit for. Leno’s shot stopping is quite remarkable so if we do have to sell either Leno or Martinez, as Hazuki also implied it is a very close call and a hugely difficult decision.

With Leno’s injury hopefully it won’t be a decision that has to be made this window either.


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Another plus point for Emi Martinez is he's considered as HG. He's been very good so far and I think we can afford to keep both for another season at least to see whether EM can maintain his form or do a Manninger.

Actually that’s a very good point you make about Manninger’s start. Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but didn’t Almunia start off brightly? I might be wrong, but there’s something in the back of my mind that he looked really good at first.

EDIT: Damn, here I am again talking the general issue of keeping or selling players. The only point I’ll make is that with Stan as the owner we might as well sell both Martinez and Leno and replace them with the worst keeper in the Barnet Sunday League for all the difference it’ll make. Imagine a smiley here!


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I read we 'only' have 30 million to play with. Aubameyang is signing, Willian is presumably a done deal. I'm reading Coutinho is close to happening. The only way I an see this happening is we sell Lacazette, Torreira and Özil. Which is definitely within the realm of possibility. And I'd guess AMN and others as well. The aforementioned players presumably will collectively bring in a fair amount of money.

I would love to get Partey. I'd rather have Partey than Coutinho based on need not individual talent. I can't see Coutinho partnering with Xhaka who is a starter. We will be exposed in the middle of the pitch defensively and for pace.

It does make one salivate to think of Coutinho having choices between Willian, Aubameyang and Pépé. But only if we have Partey or such similar type behind him as well as Saliba with a reliable partner.

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...forgot about Guendouzi probable sale as well. I'm also thinking, do we need both Ceballos and Coutinho? If so, Ceballos off the bench but will he go for that? Can both play in the same midfield? Only if Partey is part of it in a 4-3-3 with Aubameyang, Willian and Pépé up top is my guess.

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Bernard wrote:
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Another plus point for Emi Martinez is he's considered as HG. He's been very good so far and I think we can afford to keep both for another season at least to see whether EM can maintain his form or do a Manninger.

Actually that’s a very good point you make about Manninger’s start. Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but didn’t Almunia start off brightly? I might be wrong, but there’s something in the back of my mind that he looked really good at first.

EDIT: Damn, here I am again talking the general issue of keeping or selling players. The only point I’ll make is that with Stan as the owner we might as well sell both Martinez and Leno and replace them with the worst keeper in the Barnet Sunday League for all the difference it’ll make. Imagine a smiley here!


Your tongue in cheek edit surely highlights where your owner blame goes too far. Put me between the sticks and 95% of shots on our goal go in and we get relegated. How does that make less difference than who owns the club. You’re right in that the ownership affects the club negatively, but I think you take it too far. If we signed the 11 best players in world football Stan couldn’t stop us winning things.


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Actually that’s a very good point you make about Manninger’s start. Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me, but didn’t Almunia start off brightly? I might be wrong, but there’s something in the back of my mind that he looked really good at first.

EDIT: Damn, here I am again talking the general issue of keeping or selling players. The only point I’ll make is that with Stan as the owner we might as well sell both Martinez and Leno and replace them with the worst keeper in the Barnet Sunday League for all the difference it’ll make. Imagine a smiley here!

Your tongue in cheek edit surely highlights where your owner blame goes too far. Put me between the sticks and 95% of shots on our goal go in and we get relegated. How does that make less difference than who owns the club. You’re right in that the ownership affects the club negatively, but I think you take it too far. If we signed the 11 best players in world football Stan couldn’t stop us winning things.

With the smiley reference I was expecting everyone, including you, to realise that I wasn’t actually being serious with the comment about the Barnet Sunday League keeper. My tongue was so far in my cheek that with the smiley reference I’m stunned you couldn’t work that out. However, at a level appropriate to Arsenal’s sort of level with players, I don’t think who we sign or sell is as important as Stan’s ownership so I don’t accept I’m going too far about it.


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...forgot about Guendouzi probable sale as well. I'm also thinking, do we need both Ceballos and Coutinho? If so, Ceballos off the bench but will he go for that? Can both play in the same midfield? Only if Partey is part of it in a 4-3-3 with Aubameyang, Willian and Pépé up top is my guess.

With Ceballos playing the deeper role I think him and Coutinho can play in the same midfield, my bigger concern is whether that is the midfield we want/need right now. I get that Coutinho brings creativity, but are we going to be a team that tries to play with a No.10 who doesn't have much actual central midfield responsibility? That won't work in this league.
More and more teams are ditching the classic No.10 as they tend not to work hard enough defensively, or the best 10's in the world who do work hard enough become more like No.8's (Like De Bruyne) and the team end up playing a 4-1-2-3 with the 2 being 2 players like De Bruyne if they are lucky enough to have them.
This is a move away from the 3 midfielders being categorised as defensive, box-to-box and attacking and expects a more all round midfielder in all 3 positions.
The notional defensive mid is now a deep lying play maker, taking the balls of CB, dropping in to defence if the CB split, supreme positionally and very good one touch. The 2 in front of him can drop deeper to link play but mostly move the ball from front to back with quick incisive passing or dribbling to beat the press, they also get up and support the attack and chip in with 10 goals a season.
If we want a midfield like that then none of our current players are good enough, and Willian and Coutinho probably aren't either.


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Those two in midfield would be fine if we are playing a team where we expect to retain the lions share of possession but I think we'd be overrun against LFC, City and possibly one of the others.

It would be work well in most European matches as well.

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Has Coutinho ever played as one of two central midfielders? If we're genuinely interested in him, I can't imagine Arteta playing him as anything other than the most attacking of three central midfielders, or on the left wing. Wouldn't be surprised to see Willian used centrally in that manner, with two more all-around midfielders behind him.


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...another thing as well Rich, Xhaka is a starter. Arteta and before him Emery shockingly enough rates him to start (I know....I know ..lol). It's likely to be a Coutinho/Xhaka partnership. I'm not too confident of us defensively in the middle of the pitch. Coutinho reads the game well but I'd prefer him to have a ball winning DM as a partner, hence why I think getting Partey is paramount.

I'm surprised at all the rumors frankly. It seemed like it was going to be a quiet transfer period.

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The Daily Mirror, naming the Evening Standard as their source, are reporting that Willian has already had his medical with Arsenal ahead of signing a three year deal worth £150k a week. For a player who is already 32, that sounds a big financial risk as it equates to a firm commitment of £23.4m (£150k x 52 = £7.8m x 3 = £23.4m).

Not the most reliable of sources, but with Willian already confirming that he’s leaving Chelsea there is so much about him joining Arsenal that I’m assuming there must be something in it. Okay, there’s no transfer fee involved but for a player that already has to be past his peak (at 32 already that is inevitable), it sounds a big financial commitment that the club presumably won’t be able to get out of. Arsenal is arguably becoming a retirement home for former Chelsea players.

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Not the most reliable of sources, but with Willian already confirming that he’s leaving Chelsea there is so much about him joining Arsenal that I’m assuming there must be something in it. Okay, there’s no transfer fee involved but for a player that already has to be past his peak (at 32 already that is inevitable), it sounds a big financial commitment that the club presumably won’t be able to get out of. Arsenal is arguably becoming a retirement home for former Chelsea players.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... id=2184360

Think this one is pretty much done. The money involved in the deal is quite significant for a 32-year old but I think one of the main things is that there is no transfer fee. So even if the total amount will be somewhere around 20-25 million, it will possibly not affect our transfer budget at all. We have a few position in need of strengthening, and it doesn't seem like we can afford to spend big on all of them, so this type of deal is probably a necessity sadly. Let's just hope he can keep up his form, he was excellent for Chelsea this season.


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Not the most reliable of sources, but with Willian already confirming that he’s leaving Chelsea there is so much about him joining Arsenal that I’m assuming there must be something in it. Okay, there’s no transfer fee involved but for a player that already has to be past his peak (at 32 already that is inevitable), it sounds a big financial commitment that the club presumably won’t be able to get out of. Arsenal is arguably becoming a retirement home for former Chelsea players.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... id=2184360

Think this one is pretty much done. The money involved in the deal is quite significant for a 32-year old but I think one of the main things is that there is no transfer fee. So even if the total amount will be somewhere around 20-25 million, it will possibly not affect our transfer budget at all. We have a few position in need of strengthening, and it doesn't seem like we can afford to spend big on all of them, so this type of deal is probably a necessity sadly. Let's just hope he can keep up his form, he was excellent for Chelsea this season.

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...another thing as well Rich, Xhaka is a starter. Arteta and before him Emery shockingly enough rates him to start (I know....I know ..lol). It's likely to be a Coutinho/Xhaka partnership. I'm not too confident of us defensively in the middle of the pitch. Coutinho reads the game well but I'd prefer him to have a ball winning DM as a partner, hence why I think getting Partey is paramount.

I'm surprised at all the rumors frankly. It seemed like it was going to be a quiet transfer period.

I can't see Coutinho (if he came) sitting in a midfield 2 with Xhaka! I can't see Coutinho starting in a 2 man midfield even with a reincarnation of Vieira+Keane combined! He's played all his career as a No.10 or off the left side. I agree Arteta sees Xhaka as an important player and he'll be a starter next year. Coutinho and Willian will both play much higher up the pitch.
I've said before, long term I think Arteta wants to play 1 holding player and 2 x No.8 types - much like Pep does at City. I also think Arteta wants (and needs eventually) to play a back 4. At the moment he doesn't have the players for any of that so must find a system that works whilst slowly building the team he wants for the formation he wants


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Arteta won't get all the players he needs obviously. He'll see who he ends up with and try and make something out of it. My guess is he'll experiment with different formations based on who he has available as well as the competition. Problem with that is, the players have to keep learning. He may just stick with one system whether we have the players to maximise it or not and do what we can. That way, the players know the system even if they aren't able to be effective at times due to quality.

If he had his way, we'd look a bit more like City but that's a pipe dream right now and probably for the forseeable future.

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I think Arteta will use him wisely and he should add some quality.

Yeah I hope so. I really do rate Willian highly as a player, in fact I think he's been one of Chelsea's most underrated players for a couple of years now. His age is a concern though, but as long as he's motivated he should have a couple of good seasons left in him. One thing to note is that he worked under five different managers during his time at Chelsea (not counting Steve Holland) and they all seemed quite happy with him looking at his number of appearances. The number of matches he's played also suggest he's quite durable, though I'm sure we'll find to make him tear his ACL after a couple of games.


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So Stan the Man is going to do a bit of time along with many other colleagues in court on October 25.

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He screws over his own home town and people may wonder why I have always said you don't want him as an owner.

He was never going to stay in St. Louis. The city jumped spent money trying to accommodate his demands, spending a considerable amount of money from a city that is struggling economically. Then he leaves. Knowing he was leaving all along. They could have used that time and resources in attracting a team.

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The rise and fall of Ronaldinho. I had a Brazilian coworker years ago and he would say that Brazilian footballers often end up broke. He said it was primarily because many grew up in the favelas with no idea of money management and spend big, don't save, are often easy to convince to enter into dodgy deals.

I saw the same often with American athletes. At one time (not sure if the stats are the same) but about 70% of NBA and NFL athletes were broke within 5 years of retirement.

Football is a sport of the masses globally. I don't know if the British players who grew up in council estates in east London, or Toxteth, Liverpool suffer the same faith.

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Post #503717  Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:32 am 
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Seems Juve are open to sending a player our way in a deal for Lacazette, I have no idea if the CB is good or not but we need CBs not more attackers.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... l-22506059

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Post #503718  Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:10 am 
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Bernard wrote:
The Daily Mirror, naming the Evening Standard as their source, are reporting that Willian has already had his medical with Arsenal ahead of signing a three year deal worth £150k a week. For a player who is already 32, that sounds a big financial risk as it equates to a firm commitment of £23.4m (£150k x 52 = £7.8m x 3 = £23.4m).

Not the most reliable of sources, but with Willian already confirming that he’s leaving Chelsea there is so much about him joining Arsenal that I’m assuming there must be something in it. Okay, there’s no transfer fee involved but for a player that already has to be past his peak (at 32 already that is inevitable), it sounds a big financial commitment that the club presumably won’t be able to get out of. Arsenal is arguably becoming a retirement home for former Chelsea players.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... id=2184360


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I thought I read somewhere he is getting a £10m signing on fee. Whether that's true I don't know.


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Lets for a moment assume Lacazette is gone. Willilan is here, where does he play? Does Aubameyang go central up top and Willian plays left and Pépé on the right?

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Post #503720  Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2020 7:39 am 
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socrates wrote:
Bernard wrote:
The Daily Mirror, naming the Evening Standard as their source, are reporting that Willian has already had his medical with Arsenal ahead of signing a three year deal worth £150k a week. For a player who is already 32, that sounds a big financial risk as it equates to a firm commitment of £23.4m (£150k x 52 = £7.8m x 3 = £23.4m).

Not the most reliable of sources, but with Willian already confirming that he’s leaving Chelsea there is so much about him joining Arsenal that I’m assuming there must be something in it. Okay, there’s no transfer fee involved but for a player that already has to be past his peak (at 32 already that is inevitable), it sounds a big financial commitment that the club presumably won’t be able to get out of. Arsenal is arguably becoming a retirement home for former Chelsea players.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... id=2184360

Hi Bernard,

I thought I read somewhere he is getting a £10m signing on fee. Whether that's true I don't know.

Morning socrates. If it is true about the £10m signing on fee and he does get £150k a week for three years, that makes it a £33.4m investment. For somebody who is now 32, and as I said that inevitably means already past his best (a best he’ll leave further behind as the three year contract progresses), that represents a very heavy commitment on a player of his age with therefore little, or more likely no resale value in the transfer market.


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