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Post #386321  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:50 pm 
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That’s bollocks.


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Post #386322  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:51 pm 
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That’s a ridiculous red card

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Post #386323  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:52 pm 
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Bollocks but it was reckless .....................


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Post #386324  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:52 pm 
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It’s simply a yellow. Rash but no intent to hurt.

Was trying to Nick it. *%^@*** ridiculous


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Post #386325  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 8:57 pm 
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It’s simply a yellow. Rash but no intent to hurt.

Was trying to Nick it. *%^@*** ridiculous

When you see the kickings Pépé has taken this season to get a red for that is a joke


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Post #386326  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:02 pm 
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Vardy goal checking with VAR

vardy looked offside from the original cross but VAR is looking at whether there was a second touch rather than the original

screwed again by VAR screwed again by the ref


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Post #386327  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:04 pm 
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This season has been an absolute horror show for us with VAR and ref calls.

the amount of fouls, yellows,reds that we get and the opposition dont.
good goal v palace not given
clear red for a chelsea player not given when we lead 1-0
clear penalty not given when leading 1-0 at home to sheff utd
and now today

It's awful


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Post #386328  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:06 pm 
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Game has been turned on its head by a ref who has no idea what an honest attempt to control a ball is. Fuming by that call still


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Post #386329  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:07 pm 
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Again no yellows for leicester players clearly dragging and blocking arsenal players - how have they not got a single booking today?


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Post #386330  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:09 pm 
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I think this ref has been pretty good tonight. His initial view was a yellow. I’d agree.

Play it back 50 times and watch it for 3 mins without a clear decision then ask him to look again. No pressure on him.


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Post #386331  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:11 pm 
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My main problem with the reds and penalties we get and concede is you simply do not see the same rules applied for us.
The stats bear this out Arsenal 4 fouls per yellow card. Leicester 14 fouls per yellow card. It is a huge sample panel across the whole season


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Post #386332  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:12 pm 
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DHD wrote:
I think this ref has been pretty good tonight. His initial view was a yellow. I’d agree.

Play it back 50 times and watch it for 3 mins without a clear decision then ask him to look again. No pressure on him.

It’s 100% this

Surely if it’s a red it has to be obvious

They played the replay 50 odd times. How can you give it ? You can’t reach a conclusion so if in doubt now the player has to go.


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DHD wrote:
I think this ref has been pretty good tonight. His initial view was a yellow. I’d agree.

Play it back 50 times and watch it for 3 mins without a clear decision then ask him to look again. No pressure on him.

and play it at full speed only on a replay. then you'll see that Nketiah is trying to control a bouncing ball and has no time at all to realise the defender is there


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Post #386334  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:14 pm 
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DHD wrote:
I think this ref has been pretty good tonight. His initial view was a yellow. I’d agree.

Play it back 50 times and watch it for 3 mins without a clear decision then ask him to look again. No pressure on him.


Exactly. If VAR can’t decide original decision of the ref should stand.

Ridiculous

Mind you, we should have been out of sight at half time - some poor finishing

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Post #386335  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:14 pm 
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those 2 points could be costly for us at the end of the season if we want a Europa spot.

Utterly ridiculous that Nketiah gets 3 game ban for that


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Post #386336  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:15 pm 
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john1 wrote:
DHD wrote:
I think this ref has been pretty good tonight. His initial view was a yellow. I’d agree.

Play it back 50 times and watch it for 3 mins without a clear decision then ask him to look again. No pressure on him.


Exactly. If VAR can’t decide original decision of the ref should stand.

Ridiculous

Mind you, we should have been out of sight at half time - some poor finishing

Their gk made some good saves. At the time of the red 1-0 felt about right because Leicester were playing ok. Red totally changes it


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TOP GUN wrote:
DHD wrote:
I think this ref has been pretty good tonight. His initial view was a yellow. I’d agree.

Play it back 50 times and watch it for 3 mins without a clear decision then ask him to look again. No pressure on him.

It’s 100% this

Surely if it’s a red it has to be obvious

They played the replay 50 odd times. How can you give it ? You can’t reach a conclusion so if in doubt now the player has to go.

Worse than that, the ref only looked at a replay from 1 angle and then took out the red. What did he think the VAR guys were reviewing? We've been shafted here.

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dec wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
It’s 100% this

Surely if it’s a red it has to be obvious

They played the replay 50 odd times. How can you give it ? You can’t reach a conclusion so if in doubt now the player has to go.

Worse than that, the ref only looked at a replay from 1 angle and then took out the red. What did he think the VAR guys were reviewing? We've been shafted here.


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Thought that was a clear red - comes in with a straight leg, studs up and hits right below the knee. Intent doesn't matter there, it's serious foul play any day of the week. Didn't look like Vardy was offside, maybe if Perez touches the ball but that was impossible to see after 15 replays.

This wasn't on the ref or VAR. We dropped points because we didn't finish them off in the first half and our second wasn't good enough. It's a shame but we're still making excellent progress as a team and seem to be on the right track.


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Post #386340  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:28 pm 
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Oh *%^@ off redknapp it’s not a red

Wouldn’t expect any less from that thicko Ashley though. Can barely speak without the help of others. How the *%^@ he coped abroad I don’t know


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Post #386341  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:33 pm 
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I’d rather watch a live sex show starring my grandparents than watch Ashley Cole as a pundit.

What the hell goes through these broadcasters heads when they arrange their scheduling.


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Post #386342  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:34 pm 
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I'm with Hazuki on the red card. Even though there was no ill intent, Nketiah lunges in studs up and catches the bloke just below the knee so it has to be a red. I thought we were very impressive first half but we needed another goal as Leicester had threatened enough to show they were well in the game. Second half Leicester went up a gear and we went down one, but after the red card we were just holding on and they inevitably scored. Perhaps the disappointment we are all feeling after a battling draw is evidence of the improvement weve made under Arteta.


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Post #386343  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:34 pm 
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Think Sky pundits Redknapp and Cole miss the point of Vardy's goal. They slate Mustafi for not beating Vardy to the ball. Mustafi pushes up to hold the defensive line, its a good ball in, a great ball in, and one of the fastest forwards in the league is quicker over 5 yards than Mustafi - that's it. Were they slating the Leicester defence for not keeping up with Aubamayang when he tapped in the first half, should Leicester defence tracked the run and stayed goal side? Sometimes it is just good forward play

At half time Redknapp told us Evans was 'unlucky' when Saka turned him inside out for the first goal. Can you imagine if Luiz had been sat down like that for a Leicester goal.

Pundits have already made up their mind that certain players are liabilities and must be found at fault for goals, whereas others get a free ride


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Post #386344  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:39 pm 
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On reflection, their player made nothing of Eddie’s challenge. He certainly could have. If he’d rolled round for 5 minutes, most minds would’ve been made up a lot quicker.


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Post #386345  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:42 pm 
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Loved that interview from Arteta. Bang on. Then back to Redknapp to deny Vardy did it on purpose (which of course he *%^@*** did)


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Post #386346  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:47 pm 
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Why couldn't we get on top in the second half?


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Post #386347  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:48 pm 
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Loved that interview from Arteta. Bang on. Then back to Redknapp to deny Vardy did it on purpose (which of course he *%^@*** did)

I thought at the time that Vardy took it as a bit of a free hit opportunity to swing a flailing leg round as he was falling.
If you take the position that Vardy’s boot flying in to Mustafi’s face was unintentional and and accident, you have to take the same view with Nketiah. Both ‘could’ have caused serious injury, both are dangerous but really neither are red cards. But Arteta is right to point out the absurdity of Nketiah’s red.


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Disappointing. The red card obviously changed the game but I do think we missed some really good chances in the 1st half then took our foot off the pedal too much in the second half and Mustafi and Bellerin were caught ball watching for the Vardy goal.

I think we saw some positives tonight but also some of our limitations as well. Tierney,and Ceballos and Martinez were excellent but as soon as we went down to 10 men I thought Xhaka's lack of mobility was an issue, he simply can't get round the pitch quickly enough to cope with the extra man and it left us more exposed than perhaps we might have been with a more athletic player in there.

For me Mustafi and Xhaka have been very good since Arteta's arrival but I just don't think they are at the level to take us where we would like to be. If i was Arteta I'd move them both on and buy a better CB and a more mobile DM.


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Post #386349  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:51 pm 
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What f####king game was that muppet Rodgers watching. Just said they were the better team 11 v 11.
We should have been out of sight by half time.
Very frustrating to drop those 2 points.
I felt it would be a struggle to hold on once Eddie got sent off
It was slightly reckless but not a red.
F###king ridiculous decision.
Watching that vardy foot in the face for mustafi it looks like he knows exactly what he is doing.
Cant stand him. He always bloody scores against us. C###!


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Post #386350  Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:56 pm 
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No injury and no trainer on the pitch but serious foul play and a 3 match ban

Vardy kicks Mustafi full in the face with a challenge that is the very definition of “out of control”; look at the stud marks on his face.

Compare and contrast.


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Accidentally kick someone in the knee = evil thug straight red

Accidentally kick someone in the head= wasn’t on purpose that’s fine


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But the situations aren't remotely the same. Vardy hits Mustafi in the face when rolling around after a bit of a tumble. That can easily be explained as being part of his natural movement, not easy to control exactly how you land after a fall. I'm not saying Vardy is completely innocent, but it's much harder to judge.

Nketiah putting his studs into the Leicester player is part of a challenge he makes for the ball. If you're going to make a challenge like that you need to make sure you get the ball, not the player.


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I know a Saints player got a red against us last week but that was for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity. Can anyone remember when the last red before that was and when the last one for serious foul play was?


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Hazuki wrote:
If you're going to make a challenge like that you need to make sure you get the ball, not the player.


But why does that apply to Eddie and not to Vardy?

Vardy was clearly challenging for the ball too.


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Hazuki wrote:
But the situations aren't remotely the same. Vardy hits Mustafi in the face when rolling around after a bit of a tumble. That can easily be explained as being part of his natural movement, not easy to control exactly how you land after a fall

I don’t think Vardy’s fall and leg swinging round were part of a natural movement at all, who really falls like that with a leg swinging out, no doubt in my mind he made sure he left something in there, didn’t mean to kick his face of course.
It’s not a red because you’d having to be giving reds by reading a players mind whether he intended it but Nketiah’s was never a red either.
I bet I can spot an identical tackle before the season is out or that has probably happened to us this season that won’t or wasn’t even reviewed


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With Eddie banned he almost certainly starts the FA Cup semi v city. Does it mean Aubameyang playing some games at CF flanked by Saka and Pépé?
Does it mean a call up for Balogun to the bench, we don’t have any other strikers as martinelli is out and John-jules was on loan so not sure he can play


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The ball had gone. He’s swinging his leg to specifically boot the Guy. Maybe not intentionally in the head. Arteta is right.


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DHD wrote:
But why does that apply to Eddie and not to Vardy?

Vardy was clearly challenging for the ball too.

Vardy struck Mustafi as part of his fall, after a clean duel for the ball, so it's a very different challenge.

Basically, for me the difference is this: Vardy only deserves a red card if he deliberately kicked Mustafi. Nketiah deserves a red card whatever his intentions were.


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Hazuki wrote:
DHD wrote:
But why does that apply to Eddie and not to Vardy?

Vardy was clearly challenging for the ball too.

Vardy struck Mustafi as part of his fall, after a clean duel for the ball, so it's a very different challenge.

Basically, for me the difference is this: Vardy only deserves a red card if he deliberately kicked Mustafi. Nketiah deserves a red card whatever his intentions were.


You seem very certain Haz.

We’ve had 50 repeats of Eddie’s challenge but I’ve only seen Vardy’s once in replay. Nonetheless, I think I take a different view.


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Evening all, I can see why Eddie got a red, I dont agree with it but I will say if Eddie had started the game and made that same challenge after the few mins he was on the pitch he would never have been sent off.


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