I don’t really buy that Bernard. You’ve over exaggerated this at the least. Financially Arteta will get backing that clubs finishing above us won’t get. I think we can bank on that. So what’s the real issue? What apart from that does an owner really contribute. I don’t think FSG identified Mané, Alisson, Van Dyke, Salah which is the reason Liverpool have just won the title. The majority of players in this side have serious shortcomings to being title contenders. That’s a personnel issue as well as any other problems which yes, Kreonke could be a part of. Kreonke’s ownership is a limiting factor for a few things, but not to identifying and coaching players. We’re on course to finish about what 7th- 14th? With more sensible coaching, Arteta finding his feet in the squad, some good signings this club with the same owner could clearly finish much higher. Kreonke is keeping the self sustaining model but it’s that along with terrible management from the end of Wenger through Emery that’s rhe problem not Kreonke’s owenership. Liverpool hit expensive lightning in a bottle several times over, and that won’t last. It statistically cannot, over time it’s wealth that matters for football success at the very top and that places us about 5th. Everything else is team building and coaching. Liverpool got a great coach and hit several jackpots in a row recruitment wise. I don’t think they’re a shoe-in for the title next season because City will come out fighting chequebooks a blazin’.

We’re self sustaining club like 90% of the rest of the league. That’s what we have to work with, City are about to be banned from the ECL for financial fraud basically, hardly an incentive for any owner to pump in money above club turnover.

Hi Bernard, i would agree with you that fundamentally Arsenal have to change right at the top to consider any serious improvement and future challenging for major honours. But, if I start and stop at that point in my support of Arsenal there is very little else to talk about, or post about on this forum for me!
Football fundamentally is the hope of the next high, the next win. Arsenal more than any club seem to do their best to drain any of that hope out of their fans and I’ve certainly taken more time away from following Arsenal in the last few years - but I still enjoy the games, the hope and I still enjoy looking at the players, the play, the tactics and looking at the good and the bad and thinking how we can improve even if the real way to improve to where we want the team to be is moving on an immovable object!

If I was Guendouzi I would want to move to a serious football club, one with big ambitions and not one that just goes through the motions as we do.

Same goes for Aubameyang.

Apologies to Rich and Ash. With my longer post previously it was Ash I was firstly replying to. Zed, thanks as it was your reply to Ash that made me realise it.

Couldn’t agree more socrates.

Watching the showering of praise, quite rightly, Klopp is getting right now for turning Liverpool in to European champions and title winners has me thinking back to when wenger came and did the same for us.
The transfers, the vision, buying in to the culture, that connection with the fans, galvanising everyone to pull in the same direction, the humility, the passion, the style and swagger of the team. Makes it quite nostalgic to when wenger first arrived.
Of all of that listed above I think the greatest thing Klopp did was instill that togetherness and belief. He immediately understood what it meant to be Liverpudlian and/or a Liverpool fan. He tapped in to it and stirred the emotion.
He has done a fantastic job there. Yes he added the final pieces to the jigsaw with some expensive proven signings but the way he’s taken players and developed his system that they follow religiously has been impressive.

Couldn’t agree more socrates.

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I’m sure this will cheer you up then
“Manchester United join race to sign Arsenal misfit Matteo Guendouzi”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... douzi.html

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I’m sure this will cheer you up then
“Manchester United join race to sign Arsenal misfit Matteo Guendouzi”

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... douzi.html

Give yerselves a break from all this nonsense.

Watch Netflix The Last Dance. Michael Jordan may be an a****** but he is mesmeric at the focus of these programmes and even to the untrained eye, he is a truly amazing athlete and player.

Interesting to note the clubs they say are after Guendouzi: Manchester United, Barcelona, PSG and Inter Milan. What a bunch of minnows. No hopers little better than Barnet, Wycombe Wanderers, Halifax Town and Darlington. Shows what a rubbish player he must be.

I’m surprised that you eat cheese. Don’t you have an aversion to yellow food? Or am I mis-remembering?

You are misremembering. I’ve never had anything against yellow foods and have always enjoyed cheese, albeit some types more than others. I don’t eat a lot of bananas but when I do, quite enjoy them.

I wonder if you’re confusing my dislike of yellow as a colour with a dislike of yellow foods. I prefer Arsenal to play in different coloured away shirts. I wouldn’t buy a yellow car although I did have one when I first passed my test when I was at school. But I was given that by my dad, so I was never going to moan about its colour. But any yellow foods are fine.

Absolutely no chance he’s going to Barcelona or United. Simply not happening. Not on your nelly they wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole

Might be able to sell him to a French club if they don’t do their due diligence

Apologies to Rich and Ash. With my longer post previously it was Ash I was firstly replying to. Zed, thanks as it was your reply to Ash that made me realise it.

Absolutely no chance he’s going to Barcelona or United. Simply not happening. Not on your nelly they wouldn’t touch him with a barge pole

Might be able to sell him to a French club if they don’t do their due diligence

Sometimes there is more to a deal than is immediately apparent. Despite the free use of the word Luiz is not a clown. He has played for Benfica, Chelsea and PSG, and over fifty times for Brazil. He has won more trophies than anybody currently on our books. Perhaps his additional year is more for his experience and potential to help settle in any young guys who may come in from Brazil, Spain or Portugal? Yes he is past his best, but he comes across as a decent professional.

When you dislike a player, you start talking utter cobblers. I certainly think it’s feasible United and Barcelona might want him if their scouts have better memories than you.

Hi OMOH, although I take your point re Luiz, and respect the career he's had and the player he once was, I used the word clown to describe the player we see on the pitch now. Which is basically a mistake waiting to happen. If he is a good influence at the club and can be a help in the next 12 months to the talented young players Arsenal undoubtedly have, then fair enough. But the less we see of him on the pitch, the better as far as I'm concerned.

When you dislike a player, you start talking utter cobblers. I certainly think it’s feasible United and Barcelona might want him if their scouts have better memories than you.

No chance Bernard. Absolutely no chance.

PSG maybe because of his nationality and their endless pot of money. Maybe an Italian side but don’t lose any sleep over the guy turning up at the Nou Camp

I can’t believe the stuff some people are coming out with over Guendouzi. He’s not the finished product, but easily produced enough in the earlier part of both his seasons here to make the criticism he gets from some grossly unfair. One example, people focus on an alleged lack of pace as though he can’t move without a walking stick. He isn’t Usain Bolt but is so much quicker than some, including Xhaka. He has average pace, not the quickest and not the slowest. But having that level of pace means, in my view, that he easily has sufficient pace to have a great career in midfield. Also, I’ll be astonished if he doesn’t play lots of games for France, being that’s now been mentioned.

The best thing for him is to get away from the club he currently finds himself at. And it’s fans, some of whom I reckon he ‘ll end up making look mugs.

Just seen that Theo Foley died yesterday, aged 83.

...The best thing for him is to get away from the club he currently finds himself at. And it’s fans, some of whom I reckon he ‘ll end up making look mugs.

Hopefully for him he will become a great, and it would be nice if it happened with Arsenal. Great pace and heading ability are not the first requirement of a midfielder in my view, but a cool head helps a lot. He is only 21 so he can mature in character. I don't watch that closely these days but he seems to pass well. Having said that by comparison Saka seems a truly exciting young midfield option. We don't want to lose him.

The best thing for him is to get away from the club he currently finds himself at. And it’s fans, some of whom I reckon he ‘ll end up making look mugs.

And I would agree OMOH only Saka Really looks a proper prospect, can do the lot. Probably why he’s likely leaving, too good for us atm. Martinelli apart, none of the other youngsters have really convinced me they’ve really got what it takes to be successful ie top 6 material, talented as they may be. Eddie looking sharp and with his goal the other night he looks on the right tracK and I think he’s looking a good option for us.

Just because you’ve played at a high level once doesn’t mean you necessarily will do it twice. You might even have an 8 month peak to your career - Aaron Ramsey - that you’ll never repeat. Guendouzi looked good when he first came in, but I think rightly everyone is more generous to new players and young players.

He remains a player who can’t head the ball, can’t play on the half turn, often takes too many touches for a CM player, seriously lacks pace. He’s ok at ball retention and doesn’t shy away from things and when he was playing well had a good drilled through ball which seems to be something that doesn’t happen in his game any more. Turns into trouble under pressure and flops looking for the decision... That’s not to mention his attitude which seems to be the thing ushering him to the exit door for us. Am I missing something?