Bellerin really off the pace still. Given up a lot of possession

Wise to make some subs on restart. They must be knackered. Would love to see Aubameyang up front with Özil at no 10. Sokratis definitely.

Well it wasn't vintage. Holding just doing normal average defender stuff is a breath of fresh air. I think they're starting to close down Bellerin as he's not done great under pressure in possession. Saka getting in behind, Pépé one or two moments but nothing that amazing, and Nketiah the basic work really paying off. Second half we need to convert the breaks were having and not get bloody complacent with the lead!!

Hope ManChester City drop points at Chelsea to confirm Liverpool’s title win. I expect everyone has cottoned on to how much I dislike that vile club Liverpool and their revolting up their own arses fans, so let me explain. Winning the title without playing a game to confirm it just isn’t the same, in my view.

I’ve seen Arsenal win six titles. The one where the moment (the game) winning it was most forgettable was the 1991 title. We actually won the league without playing a game. We played Manchester United at home that day, but before it the title win was confirmed by Nottingham Forest beating Liverpool. For me it took something from the moment, even though it had been a great season. It just wasn’t the same as Arsenal winning it by playing a match as with 1971 at Tottenham, 1989 at Anfield, 1998 at home to Everton, 2002 at Old Trafford and 2004 at White Hart Lane again.

I realise no Liverpool fans would be able to attend the match they will do it at, even if City win tonight. But I very much doubt their fans will find City drawing or losing at Chelsea tonight as memorable as they would find watching Liverpool win the league in their next game on telly.

Completely in the wrong but doubling down regardless

What does ‘doubling down regardless’ mean?

What happened at half time then? We don’t seem to have reappeared for the second half. Riding our luck right now.

American football reference? American football played at Tottenhams home ground. He's calling you a spurs fan. I wouldn't stand for that if I were you...

Fragile team holding a lead

It’s become horrible hasn’t it? We seem to be relying on them being a bit useless.

(And as I type that Martinez bails us out).

This is really annoying. We look utterly clueless.

Yes!!!!! Willock.

2-0 and a red card for them. Needed that

The outcome not at all deserved

Or maybe it was given that the goals resulted from Southampton nonsense play

Who cares. 3 points will do.

I thought we were worth the win LTG. We weren’t stunning and it wasn’t a comfortable win but we did look a bit more determined. I like Eddie and I like Willock. They have talent, they’re triers and I’m pleased for them both. Saka was tremendous again while Holding and Mustafi looks pretty solid.

Bellerin was poor and I’m afraid, for me, Pépé can jog on; he doesn’t want to be here.

No wonder I didn’t understand it then. I named the few US sports teams I’ve heard of a few days ago, and that I couldn’t even tell you what sports they played.

I thought we were awful ltg and a better and more incisive side than Southampton would have beaten us. We got lucky with both the goals and Martinez made a worldy to stop an equaliser. Aubameyang did miss a golden opportunity as well but generally it was two very average sides.

Not much more to say about a very forgetable match.

sorry Bern just pulling your leg. It just means compounding a perceived mistake with the same attitude.

Good grief. Top Gun accusing someone else of ‘compounding a perceived mistake with the same attitude’. I’m going to send that off to the Oxford English Dictionary to use for the definition of ‘irony’ in their next issue.

I can see why people will say the two goals were lucky as they were both the result of defensive howlers, but Nketiah and Aubamayang may chase those sorts of things down every game all season for the one time they can force the mistake and get the goal.
I used to bemoan that we never got goals from opponents mistakes, rebounds from gk, pressuring the defence, a lot of the time it was because we didn't press or didn't take shots. So I'm happy to get some goals from the dirty side of centre forward play.

This is "doubling down" meaning.
1: to double the original bid in blackjack in exchange for only one more card.
Or
To double down is take a further risk in a situation or passionately re-commit one's efforts to a cause or course of action.

So Chelsea won, confirming Liverpool’s title win without playing a game. They’ll feeler pleased obviously. But I hope it makes the title more flat than it would have been if they’d won it by playing a match themselves. I expect it will.

Yeah we won a game. Just tell me again what our style of play is ? Hold on in the second half?

Or alternatively asking for Arteta to be sacked just because he dropped an average midfielder for 1 game

Guendouzi has shown he is not an average midfielder. Arteta has not yet shown he isn’t an average manager.

Worth pointing out that Holding was given man of the match today. By Alan Smith on commentary but still it’s significant to me. He’s a defender first and he’s decent on the ball. That’s the way round it should be and he was a breath of fresh air today in his simplicity and sharpness. He’ll be a great first team/squad player if he can stay fit and develop like he was before the injury.

3 points further from relegation fight. That's all that matters now.

Guendouzi has been very average this year with a load of personality problems to boot. Still to early to judge Arteta

But claiming Arteta should be sacked for dropping Guendouzi in a game that we won is doubling down of the highest order. Congratulations

Second half looked like Rope A Dope.

He was excellent earlier in the season. He started this season and last very well. Sadly his form dropped off. But to call a young player average because he shows inconsistency is nothing short of pathetic.

Do you have psychological issues, like anger management? You seem to need to focus dislike on a player? We saw it with Mustafi and Xhaka. Then around the time their form picked up you decide to focus on Guendouzi instead. No player stays at a club for ever, however good or bad they are, so there will come a time when none of them will be Arsenal players. Wonder who you’ll focus your dislike on then? In ten years we might have players in the team who are currently still at primary school. Wonder which one you’ll pick on?

I’m not a psychologist so perhaps it’s simply that your understanding of the game isn’t as high as you probably like to think.

Psychological issues. You were the one calling for Arteta to be sacked yesterday

We rarely have it easy at Soton. We didn't look great but ugly wins are accepted at anytime (2005 FA cup being the most memorable).

Liverpool has won the Covid 19 title. 30 year wait and its under these circumstances. They won't even be able to do a march of honor in front of the fans. I assume there will be a parade but even that may be canceled.

I was looking at some old stats, matches, etc, and noticed Arsenal's Ronnie Rooke was the scoring champion in the '47-48 title winning season. I don't think I've ever heard of him mentioned on here. Unless he was mentioned by the 'death eaters'

After all the years of Arsenal bashing for having lots of foreign players and not producing english youngsters (not that any of the other top clubs were doing any better) it is a shame that more isn't made of the fact that Arsenal, even in the low were are in, have a good crop of young english players coming through. Are they all ready to be established first 11 players in a champions league team - almost certainly not, but they are young and will get better.

What we need to do now is surround them with leadership and talent.

Unfortunately we may be in a position that some players we would prefer not to sell may need to be sold to raise funds for a better squad. Guendouzi, Holding, Maitland-Niles and Nelson might fall in to this category. Others certainly need to go first but they won't generate much money

Got to get Saka tied down to a new contract, the hype over him if he played for Man U or Liverpool would be immense. He's 2 years younger than Foden and Sancho. He has the potential to be one of our best academy products for some time

According to L'Equipe, Guedouzi has informed Arteta he wouldn't be averse to being sold. I think he will be a very, very good player but I also think he's eminently replaceable. Patrick Vieira or Manu Petit he ain't.

Passes it backwards and points and shouts about stuff as he jogs around the pitch. If we can get a decent fee it would be great business

If you go back a day or two I was actually saying it’s too early to sack Arteta when others appeared to be heading towards that viewpoint. I haven’t made up my mind about him yet, one way or the other. But I don’t think his start has been brilliant. However, I will be disappointed if Guendouzi is one of the players he gets rid of and that would edge me closer to wanting him out.

Nevertheless, and it’s a major point, I no longer see who is bought and sold, or who the head coach is, as important as I once did. For me the big issue, by a long margin, is the owner. I recall making the point that if before the season started Liverpool’s owners had offered to swap every single player in their squad for every one of Arsenal’s squad and that had happened, I really doubt we’d have won the league, let alone by the margin they have. I accept I can’t prove it, but it’s honestly what I feel.

I know buying and selling players and sacking or appointing managers is what football fans like talking about. In person and on line. But for me it’s not as relevant as Kroenke who in my view has and is overseeing a lack of ambition to win things that has compromised our chances, whoever the players or manager is, for success on the pitch. If Stan stays, then for example Guendouzi and Aubameyang leaving with Partey and Upamecano joining just seems, to me anyway, a bit immaterial.

Arsenal is still the third most successful team in England on a historical basis and has a huge worldwide fan base. If Kroenke stays I wouldn’t bet against Chelsea overtaking us for league wins in any Arsenal fan’s lifetime who hasn’t yet had his or her telegram from the Queen (slightly tongue in cheek but who cares). As recent success is even more relevant to fan base size, I’ve got a feeling I once read Chelsea sell more shirts than Arsenal. If that’s right, it is debatable if Arsenal still has England’s third biggest worldwide fan base as well?

Under Kroenke I’m finding it hard to see a successful future for Arsenal. It’s allegedly what Stan does to clubs. I’ve said I know next to nothing about US sports but I have read his long-standing teams over there are all pretty mediocre. I think Zed also said that recently.

Vieira and Petit is the best Arsenal midfield I’ve ever seen. So I don’t see him as potentially as good as them. But I will be very disappointed as I don’t think he’s as easy to replace for the better as you seem to. But I don’t blame him if he isn’t averse to leaving. If I was a player I’d be only too keen to get out of the cesspit Arsenal is becoming.

Hi TG,

It's only great business if:

a. you get a hefty fee

b. you replace him with someone as good if not better.

Knowing our lot they'll get a piss poor fee and replace him with a few journeyman clients of the agents who now seem to be running the club.

If you can get 40 million for Guendouzi and Lacazette each i would jump at it. They are both non contributors and that would fund a complete rebuild Of our midfield.

I like Torreira but if we aren’t going to play him then sell him too.

I have a feeling the club will bite the bullet accept defeat and loan out Özil to a Turkish club this summer whilst still paying a hefty chunk of his wages.

I agree with Bernard the club is a cesspit of incompetence and don’t hold much hope. However if we can at least give Arteta a refresh of motivated players so he can try and rebuild otherwise he’s been finished since the start.

My concern about Guendouzi isn’t that he’s not as good as some here think. It's just different opinions.

The bigger worry for me is that he isn’t nearly as good as he thinks he is.