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Post #503761  Posted: Sat May 23, 2020 1:30 pm 
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I'll gladly trade governments with you.

That said, its not an endorsement of the Tories. Just illustrating how bad ours is. I don't profess to be an expert on British politics but from afar it appears to have endemic issues.

Is any one happy with either party?

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I'll gladly trade governments with you.

That said, its not an endorsement of the Tories. Just illustrating how bad ours is. I don't profess to be an expert on British politics but from afar it appears to have endemic issues.

Is any one happy with either party?

I think it’s too early to judge the new labour leader Keir Starmer but in terms of asking the right questions and holding Johnson to account, he’s started brightly. I know he won’t appeal to the real left of the party in the same way Corbyn didn’t appeal to the centre/ more centre left but I think we really will need a change of ruling party when the next election comes around. This government have failed on everything.

Trump is insane so I wouldn’t trade thanks. He is a vain, sociopathic narcissist whom I genuinely believe is unwell. Rumours persist he may have had a stroke at some point. I truly think he is bonkers.

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He is a vain, sociopathic narcissist whom I genuinely believe is unwell. Rumours persist he may have had a stroke at some point. I truly think he is bonkers.

.Wonderful ...and tell me ........... who would be doing a better job ...Biden , Harris , Clinton , Sanders , Gabbard ....?


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He is a vain, sociopathic narcissist whom I genuinely believe is unwell. Rumours persist he may have had a stroke at some point. I truly think he is bonkers.

.Wonderful ...and tell me ........... who would be doing a better job ...Biden , Harris , Clinton , Sanders , Gabbard ....?

Any of the above. Trump is vile and dangerous.

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.Wonderful ...and tell me ........... who would be doing a better job ...Biden , Harris , Clinton , Sanders , Gabbard ....?

Any of the above. Trump is vile and dangerous.

:laughing7: :laughing7: and Clinton , Biden aren't ..... ? try researching a bit more ...what did wiping out Ghadafi on Clinton's watch achieve ..?


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Any of the above. Trump is vile and dangerous.

:laughing7: :laughing7: and Clinton , Biden aren't ..... ? try researching a bit more ...what did wiping out Ghadafi on Clinton's watch achieve ..?

Clinton and Biden are awful but Trump is the worst there has ever been. Wiping out Gadaffi did nothing but again, Trump is truly the worst in American history. However bad Biden may be, Clinton could have been etc, Trump is still lower.

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I'll gladly trade governments with you.

That said, its not an endorsement of the Tories. Just illustrating how bad ours is. I don't profess to be an expert on British politics but from afar it appears to have endemic issues.

Is any one happy with either party?
Have you seen this? Fair warning, some bad language but great viewing! We need a British version.

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LOL...I knew a few guys who sounded exactly like that. Coincidentally their last names ended in vowels. And the Brirish version of that is probably in a council estate in Toxteth in the north or Newham in London waiting to be discovered.

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What is going to be interesting is how clubs respond to the lay off on the pitch. Liverpool had all the momentum. Will they maintain it when league play resumes? I think the break will be good for us. It will give Arteta time to train and implement his tactics instead of trying to do it while having games.

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Cummins eh? Anyone still think the Tories have our interest at heart? This is unquestionably the most corrupt, criminal, dishonest government we’ve ever had. Not sure how anyone in their right mind could vote for them again.

They will though. Although whether they are in their right mind is a moot point.

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Any of the above. Trump is vile and dangerous.

:laughing7: :laughing7: and Clinton , Biden aren't ..... ? try researching a bit more ...what did wiping out Ghadafi on Clinton's watch achieve ..?

ANYBODY would be doing a better job than Trump, except maybe Bolsanaro, who appears to be an even bigger **(t than Trump which is an amazing feat. Trump is a *%^@*** wrecking ball supported by a bunch of morons who seem to think breaking things is funny because it pisses off liberals.

Are you on a windup or are you actually defending Trump?

Please do watch Trump himself or read his twitter feed rather than relying on secondary sources. Nobody with a brain could listen to or read the self-regarding, toxic, garbage that comes out of him and conclude that he isn't a dangerous lunatic whose only strength is his utter shamelessness.

And its actually funny that you think that Ghadaffi's sticky end is some sort of trump card that nixes every other argument.

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Darren wrote:
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I'll gladly trade governments with you.

That said, its not an endorsement of the Tories. Just illustrating how bad ours is. I don't profess to be an expert on British politics but from afar it appears to have endemic issues.

Is any one happy with either party?

I think it’s too early to judge the new labour leader Keir Starmer but in terms of asking the right questions and holding Johnson to account, he’s started brightly. I know he won’t appeal to the real left of the party in the same way Corbyn didn’t appeal to the centre/ more centre left but I think we really will need a change of ruling party when the next election comes around. This government have failed on everything.

Trump is insane so I wouldn’t trade thanks. He is a vain, sociopathic narcissist whom I genuinely believe is unwell. Rumours persist he may have had a stroke at some point. I truly think he is bonkers.

Interesting theory. He must have had the stroke when he was about 5, because he's been that way his whole life.

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Decaf wrote:
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:laughing7: :laughing7: and Clinton , Biden aren't ..... ? try researching a bit more ...what did wiping out Ghadafi on Clinton's watch achieve ..?

ANYBODY would be doing a better job than Trump, except maybe Bolsanaro, who appears to be an even bigger **(t than Trump which is an amazing feat. Trump is a *%^@*** wrecking ball supported by a bunch of morons who seem to think breaking things is funny because it pisses off liberals.

Are you on a windup or are you actually defending Trump?

Please do watch Trump himself or read his twitter feed rather than relying on secondary sources. Nobody with a brain could listen to or read the self-regarding, toxic, garbage that comes out of him and conclude that he isn't a dangerous lunatic whose only strength is his utter shamelessness.

And its actually funny that you think that Ghadaffi's sticky end is some sort of trump card that nixes every other argument.

Agree with all of that, Decaf, except for one thing. I don't believe he is a lunatic. He is a sociopath. It is all about him and his business interests. He is a calculating b******.

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Any of the above. Trump is vile and dangerous.

...and he's more than that Darren. Much more. We have a long list of presidents, some recent who aren't saints but anyone who uses the '....but what about..." whenever Trump is mentioned I have to question their moral center. 'Hitler was evil" "But what about Franco, Stalin and Mussolini?" It has that feel to it. Trump is evil. Leave it that.
All presidents had a line they wouldn't cross no matter how bad they were. They observed certain traditions, protocols, etc, out of respect for the office. Trump would easily eclipse Nixon if he thought he had cover for what he could get away with. There is literally no line that anyone can say with confidence that Trump wouldn't cross. Literally none.

But its more than Trump. 40 percent of the American people give or take support him and that is what other Americans and the rest of the world should fear. Because it means a person like Trump is not a one off. With how the elections are conducted, an even worse person could get in. Trump is just the figurehead for a wider group of people.

His support see anyone who is not in support as an existential threat. They don't see them as fellow citizens with an alternate view of politics they disagree with but at the end of the day those people are their neighbors, co-workers, even family members. No, they see other views as an existential threat to themselves, their progeny and they truly believe those people 'hate America'. With that mindset, you can literally justify anything. A perfect example is his hiring of Stephen Miller for his immigration advisor whose policy is to literally pull children, including very small kids who can't care for themselves, from their parent(s) and put them in cages with absolutely no contact or information from their parents as a deterrent to any other persons south of the border to try to come. These kids are sometimes mistreated, abused with no advocates. Really? what people or nation can call themselves a first world nation that does that? That's just one example. Worse yet, the opposition in my view. Where are the Democrats? Weak willed, spineless who fear the Republicans while bullying those within the party who won't go along with their establishment alliances. I openly admit I supported Sanders, donated, did what little I could purely out of moral obligation. A party that is outraged doesn't choose Biden. And he was chosen by the leadership. I'm not trying to be placed on any pedestal by any means but my God, what have we become?

It's hard to fathom usually for those who don't live in America that people can have the view of his support and that Trump is an extension of them.

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AG and anyone else. Has anyone even given this a remote consideration that the timing of C19, is during an election year in the US? Hmmm....
Oh no this never could've happened a year or two ago now could it? Pure speculation...but. From what I'm reading there's an ongoing maneuver from the GOP to maneuver a disadvantaged part of the US population from being allowed to fundamentally democratically, to vote. Under the guise of preventing 'voter fraud'. Says a lot about the current regime and total control. It was it is. Expect this again.


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The thought hasn't been lost on me and many others who think he could call off the election, delay it, or some other machination to get re-elected. The polls don't look at good at all for him. He's behind in almost all the swing states (some within a statistical margin of error to be accurate). One of the traditional red states, Arizona, (John McCain, Barry Goldwater who ran against LBJ), a Republican banker, may end up with 2 Democratic senators (they already have 1, the 2nd Democratic senator in 50 years. And Biden is leading. Biden leads in almost all the toss ups except North Carolina, which was always a red state but is now 'purple', meaning it can go either way.

I'd put nothing by Trump. The timing is curious.

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I see. So Donald Trump has engineered a global pandemic to improve his chances of reelection.
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I have no idea about the inner workings of the FA and at Premier League. You all would know better than I would. I don't know how much importance will be given to the reputation, real or alleged of the prospective owner. That said, if it comes to fruition and the Saudi prince owns the club they will be a top 6 or top 4 team eventually. Its almost certain give the amount of money that will be pumped in. Yeah...yeah...FFP or whatever it is, we've seen that its pretty much ineffective.

Things will get competitive. It may be 2 or 3 years out but they will be competing at the top. Eventually, we may see more clubs with similar owners and it will be interesting if half the league have very rich owners but are competting for 4 spots.

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The level of cognitive dissonance is worthy as the subject for a paper from a doctoral candidate.


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Good luck Kia.

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Still one of my favorite Arsenal players ever, Fabregas. Interview by Rio Ferdinand. Some of the info we already know, but its interesting nonetheless. When he was asked a player he looked up and admired, I knew he was gonna say Scholes. I hate Scholes to my core. Yes, I know he's a great player but I still hate his guts and I think he hates us as well. Gary Neville, Roy Keane and other players have spoken of their admiration and respect for us. Not sure I ever heard Scholes talk about us glowingly. Maybe he has but I don't recall it. Scholes, Sherringscum the most but I'll throw Giggs, RVN, in there as well.

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I recall at the time I was on here saying we don't want Kroenke. I knew what kind of owner he was in the states and he was not going to be good for us. I was hoping I was wrong.

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Oh. That’s rather a surprise about Luiz.

http://www.skysports.com/share/11995596

Mixed feelings about that really.

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We need defenders. I would have no problem in Luiz leaving if we had ample support in defense. We don't. Until we do, we need all hands on deck except a certain German.

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We need defenders. I would have no problem in Luiz leaving if we had ample support in defense. We don't. Until we do, we need all hands on deck except a certain German.
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I'm not 'bitte' about him still being on the team. :42laughter:

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I'd love for Arsenal to be 'guten' free. :1laughter:

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We need defenders. I would have no problem in Luiz leaving if we had ample support in defense. We don't. Until we do, we need all hands on deck except a certain German.
Hans on deck?

One of a long line of very poor defensive signings in our recent past. AG you may have overlooked how atrocious he was, for an experienced player, earlier in the season.

All I want to be reading from the club about keeping players is that we have signed Saka and Martinelli to very long contracts. Some how or other football doesn't seem that important to me at the moment. others might think otherwise and I accept that.

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The great ones are sore losers. I mean that not as a criticism.

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"On the bus, Henry, me, Edu and [Patrick] Vieira played cards and Henry got angry if he lost. You can laugh but it was like that. If you didn’t give him the ball, if he didn’t score, he would get mad. It was horrific.



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I'd love for Arsenal to be 'guten' free. :1laughter:

You’ve lost me there? Isn’t ‘guten’ German for ‘good’? So you’d like Arsenal to be free of good? Good what? Good players, good coaches, good stadium, good training ground?


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Talk of Prem football starting again on June 17th with City v Arsenal one of the first games up.

Saturday's and Sunday's to feature 5 televised games each day, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm

Tuesday and Wednesday to have 10 games as well.

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Talk of Prem football starting again on June 17th with City v Arsenal one of the first games up.

Saturday's and Sunday's to feature 5 televised games each day, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm

Tuesday and Wednesday to have 10 games as well.

You'd think that this should favour the big clubs with deep squads

The 17th is a Wednesday. Seems an odd day.

Sky are saying 19th at the earliest. https://www.skysports.com/share/11995836

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The 20/21 away shirt....


Love that shirt. If I can prise open my wallet I'll def buy one :58big-emoticons:


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That's a good first game to play. Mikel needs to pull a cat out of the bag and make sure we win this one. Imo we're all level atm and a win to start would be excellent.


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I'd love for Arsenal to be 'guten' free. :1laughter:

Maybe you mean 'gluten free'.

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old man of hoy wrote:
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We need defenders. I would have no problem in Luiz leaving if we had ample support in defense. We don't. Until we do, we need all hands on deck except a certain German.
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Talk of Prem football starting again on June 17th with City v Arsenal one of the first games up.

Saturday's and Sunday's to feature 5 televised games each day, 12pm, 2pm, 4pm, 6pm, 8pm

Tuesday and Wednesday to have 10 games as well.

You'd think that this should favour the big clubs with deep squads

The 17th is a Wednesday. Seems an odd day.

Sky are saying 19th at the earliest. https://www.skysports.com/share/11995836

It is the 17th to get the 4 teams who have a game in hand 'out of the way' then the remaining 9 games I assume would be played on weekend/midweek/weekend for 3-4 weeks

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It is the 17th to get the 4 teams who have a game in hand 'out of the way' then the remaining 9 games I assume would be played on weekend/midweek/weekend for 3-4 weeks

No idea where the FA Cup slots in

Ah that makes sense about the games in hand.

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