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Post #327801  Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:37 pm 
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Kirk Douglas one of the great actors. Probably one of the last of Hollywood’s golden generation. Loved his movies as a kid,

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The new Nigeria home kit is super nice.


Looks like one of those "tear to open here" boxes that never works.

Hmmm..still prefer this one.


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I am Spartacus, and so is my wife!

The one and only... :angel8:

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Fair point ...... I wouldn't either if I was getting my butt whipped on every ocassion ....NZ 23 Germany 0 :6encouragement: :brushteeth: Night night

You presumably did that post so that you can consider yourself as having the last word. It’ll be interesting to see if this post by me makes you respond again.

:12hello-bye: Happy to oblige ; in order to keep your social experiment humming

....... although frankly a debate with you is like trying to explain how a turbocharger works to a three year old .

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I recall many years ago we were hammering Pompey there maybe up 5-1 or whatever and they were still singing their hearts out. I was very impressed with their support.
Vacationing in Asia, I met a guy from Portsmouth who told me about their rivalry with Soton and how it actually was an extension of the shipping industry and jobs. Very interesting.

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Kirk Douglas one of the great actors. Probably one of the last of Hollywood’s golden generation. Loved his movies as a kid,

I am Spartacus

Google Kirk Douglas and Natalie Wood. Allegedly he raped her when she was a 16 year old. Proper assault too.


You'll also find Google spouting Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated Kennedy even though 61% of Americans think that is horsesh*t .

I've no idea whether that is true or false but plenty of young actresses were quite happy to use their bodies to make it in the movie business .


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:12hello-bye: Happy to oblige ; in order to keep your social experiment humming

....... although frankly a debate with you is like trying to explain how a turbocharger works to a three year old .

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I suppose being a social experiment is your main asset.


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Hmmm..still prefer this one.

I actually prefer their all dark green away 2018 WC kit. Nike's efforts with us was not that bad either, especially from 2000.

Well yeah....but I like the pattern on this one. It was an overnight best seller.

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I imagine many are aware of this.... :8surprise:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/06/arsenal- ... -12195811/

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Hmmm...on the face of it I wouldn't support Wenger's return for two reasons. First, Wenger is autocratic in his demeanor. What role would he play? Sporting director? Or whatever? I can't see it working. I could see a place on the board possibly as an advocate for us since Kroenke respects him. Second, why? Bringing Wenger back is good for Wenger possibly but I fail to see why he's needed.

If any one at the club would like his input or advice, Arteta including, why pay him for it. Call him and ask his opinion. He'd be happy to give it for free. :icon_mrgreen:

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Bernard wrote:
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:12hello-bye: Happy to oblige ; in order to keep your social experiment humming

....... although frankly a debate with you is like trying to explain how a turbocharger works to a three year old .

NZ 24 Germany 0

I suppose being a social experiment is your main asset.


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Zed wrote:
I imagine many are aware of this.... :8surprise:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/06/arsenal- ... -12195811/

:laughing7: Metro had a gap in their sports section ... " Quick Coral [ the writer ] help us out here , concoct a page filler " .

Considering most Arsenal fans wanted Wenger to take a coaching role somewhere in the middle of the Kalahari Desert .... this quote

"The Arsenal board think Wenger’s return would serve as a boost to the fans and increase the support for Arteta." ......... is the equivalent of a supertanker of horsesh*t .

Arsene has had his day in the sun ; lost his mojo completely . I'd say he is too fosilised in his views to be of any help to anyone .

I'd prefer to see George Graham back at Arsenal than Wenger at least he'd sort out the defence .



Lovely sporting moment the other day in the cricket ... Kane Williamson , Kiwi skipper watching the match sideline with opposing captain Virat Kohli .

https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news ... 2020-02-03

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Regarding Wenger, either he has turned down jobs that he thinks is below his level or he's not been contacted for many jobs. Somewhere inbetween?
Longer he goes without a managerial job the harder it is to get a good one.

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I imagine many are aware of this.... :8surprise:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/06/arsenal- ... -12195811/

How about Wenger writes his book first. Probably just a load of rubbish this report. If I found out it was true and Arteta actually believed that the fans would welcome Wenger back then I would know he has no f...en clue at all and he would have to go.

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I suppose being a social experiment is your main asset.

:icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: NZ 25 Germany 0

Sounds like a rugby score. Wouldn’t be a football score.


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Lallana is a free agent in the summer, he’s 31, fits the bill of the sort of creative, ball playing attacking midfielder we need. He has the high work rate and press from working with Klopp. If we need to push money in to other positions in the team he could be an ok short term free transfer


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Fabregas is "only" 32. :7laughter:

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If we're looking at a try before you buy with Cédric, because he's a free transfer the summer then we should also be looking at Meuiner, he's spent a fair amount of time at PSG and in the Belgian national team, right-back, 28 and on paper better than Cédric


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In an effort to sort out contracts and stop us having valuable players run them down and leave for free, the new hierarchy at the cub said a decision would be made on each player with only 2 years left on his deal (the decision presumably being to sell or give a new contract) the only exception were players running in towards retirement where their value to us as a player was more than any value we get from selling them for a pitance

So players with only 12 months left in the summer are:
Aubamayang
Özil
Sokratis
Luiz
Mustafi

Players who will have 2 years left in the summer are:
Lacazette
Guendouzi
Kolasinac
Chambers
Ntekiah
Martinez

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Kirk Douglas one of the great actors. Probably one of the last of Hollywood’s golden generation. Loved his movies as a kid,

I am Spartacus

Google Kirk Douglas and Natalie Wood. Allegedly he raped her when she was a 16 year old. Proper assault too.


Read that, I have to say it seems a bit tenuous. Her sister said it was a big actor so everyone assumes it’s always been him. Really not enough to vilify him but if he did he’s a b****** nevertheless.

Everyone was far more rapey and noncey from the 50s to the 90s pretty much weren’t they ?

I watched the Netflix documentary “tell me who I am” the other night, it’s a Difficult watch but eye opening and at the end of it your left despairing for humanity


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Rich wrote:
Lallana is a free agent in the summer, he’s 31, fits the bill of the sort of creative, ball playing attacking midfielder we need. He has the high work rate and press from working with Klopp. If we need to push money in to other positions in the team he could be an ok short term free transfer


I’d blow our entire budget on a creative midfielder player. Maybe an Isco or similar.

We need somebody who can get the ball down and get the team playing even if it means sacrificing the purchase of a centre half


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Lallana is a free agent in the summer, he’s 31, fits the bill of the sort of creative, ball playing attacking midfielder we need. He has the high work rate and press from working with Klopp. If we need to push money in to other positions in the team he could be an ok short term free transfer


I’d blow our entire budget on a creative midfielder player. Maybe an Isco or similar.

We need somebody who can get the ball down and get the team playing even if it means sacrificing the purchase of a centre half

I think so too. We have *%^@ all goals from midfield too. It wasn't that long ago we had players of the calibre of Cazorla, Ramsey, Rosicky etc. Players who would regularly chip in with goals. We have nothing like that and no one to help unlock teams.

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Sounds like a rugby score. Wouldn’t be a football score.
And Peter has appointed himself ref and scorer. Var needs to check all of those.

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kiwipete wrote:
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Google Kirk Douglas and Natalie Wood. Allegedly he raped her when she was a 16 year old. Proper assault too.


You'll also find Google spouting Lee Harvey Oswald assassinated Kennedy even though 61% of Americans think that is horsesh*t .

I've no idea whether that is true or false but plenty of young actresses were quite happy to use their bodies to make it in the movie business .
But it was an open secret that much of the casting-couch stuff was not voluntary. Top holywood dogs got away with it.

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Sounds like a rugby score. Wouldn’t be a football score.
And Peter has appointed himself ref and scorer. Var needs to check all of those.

If it’s the same refs who do All Blacks games he has open slather

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I’d blow our entire budget on a creative midfielder player. Maybe an Isco or similar.

We need somebody who can get the ball down and get the team playing even if it means sacrificing the purchase of a centre half

I think so too. We have *%^@ all goals from midfield too. It wasn't that long ago we had players of the calibre of Cazorla, Ramsey, Rosicky etc. Players who would regularly chip in with goals. We have nothing like that and no one to help unlock teams.


I’m not joking when I say this is the worst midfield I’ve ever seen in my Arsenal supporting life. Unable to form any pattern of play what so ever, retain or distribute the ball.

A fit Jack Wilshere or the ox look like gods compared to what we have currently.

The problem we have though is we are trying to still play a passing possession based game when we don’t have the players. We’d be better off trying to hit Lacazette direct. Lacazette has gone from playing on the shoulder of his centre back to dropping so deep he’s literally a false 9 midfield player. This is because he knows our players don’t have the distribution so he drops back to get involved.


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I’m not joking when I say this is the worst midfield I’ve ever seen in my Arsenal supporting life. Unable to form any pattern of play what so ever, retain or distribute the ball.

How many years have you been a fan Top Gun? Because Hillier, Selley, Jensen and Morrow get my vote. I think our current midfield is miles better than those four, all of whom I see as candidates for my worst ever Arsenal team (Jensen doesn’t get in my worst ever team, but he is a candidate). I see the other three as stronger candidates and probably would be in the side.

The only other issue worth mentioning is Morrow’s position in the team. He played in midfield and at left back, equally bad in both. But apart from him I am struggling to think of another terrible left back. So I would probably have Morrow at left back, rather in midfield. However, for the purpose of naming my worst ever midfield from those who would have played together as midfielders, as Morrow did I’m naming him as one of my selections for the worst midfield.

In my view none of our contemporary midfielders get in my worst ever team.


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I’m not joking when I say this is the worst midfield I’ve ever seen in my Arsenal supporting life. Unable to form any pattern of play what so ever, retain or distribute the ball.

How many years have you been a fan Top Gun? Because Hillier, Selley, Jensen and Morrow get my vote. I think our current midfield is miles better than those four, all of whom I see as candidates for my worst ever Arsenal team (Jensen doesn’t get in my worst ever team, but he is a candidate). I see the other three as stronger candidates and probably would be in the side.

The only other issue worth mentioning is Morrow’s position in the team. He played in midfield and at left back, equally bad in both. But apart from him I am struggling to think of another terrible left back. So I would probably have Morrow at left back, rather in midfield. However, for the purpose of naming my worst ever midfield from those who would have played together as midfielders, as Morrow did I’m naming him as one of my selections for the worst midfield.

In my view none of our contemporary midfielders get in my worst ever team.

I was around for hiller and Selley but they played more intermittently.

I’d definitely take the 1991 hillier over Xhaka by the way.

I’ve never witnessed a midfield or team like our current one who simply struggle to get the football up into the final third like we do. You can compare individual players but it’s more the output they are delivering if you get what I’m saying.


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Bernard wrote:
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I’m not joking when I say this is the worst midfield I’ve ever seen in my Arsenal supporting life. Unable to form any pattern of play what so ever, retain or distribute the ball.

How many years have you been a fan Top Gun? Because Hillier, Selley, Jensen and Morrow get my vote. I think our current midfield is miles better than those four, all of whom I see as candidates for my worst ever Arsenal team (Jensen doesn’t get in my worst ever team, but he is a candidate). I see the other three as stronger candidates and probably would be in the side.

The only other issue worth mentioning is Morrow’s position in the team. He played in midfield and at left back, equally bad in both. But apart from him I am struggling to think of another terrible left back. So I would probably have Morrow at left back, rather in midfield. However, for the purpose of naming my worst ever midfield from those who would have played together as midfielders, as Morrow did I’m naming him as one of my selections for the worst midfield.

In my view none of our contemporary midfielders get in my worst ever team.

This was the period when GG froze out Davis and Limpar. Incredible when you look at the above names. Put Davis and Limpar together with Jensen and the young Romford Pele and we'd have had a decent midfield.


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I was around for hiller and Selley but they played more intermittently.

I’d definitely take the 1991 hillier over Xhaka by the way.

I’ve never witnessed a midfield or team like our current one who simply struggle to get the football up into the final third like we do. You can compare individual players but it’s more the output they are delivering if you get what I’m saying.

I can’t agree with you over Hillier and Xhaka. For me Xhaka is comfortably better. I understand what you mean by the output of our current midfield. But we currently have a collection of central midfielders comprising, in alphabetical order, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles (though I accept he has mainly played at right back), Özil, Torreira, Willock and Xhaka.

As a group they include creativity, ball winning, work rate, passing ability and energy. If a more than decent, balanced midfield cannot be created out of that mob, then perhaps Arteta isn’t doing quite as good a job as many (including me) appear to think?


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How many years have you been a fan Top Gun? Because Hillier, Selley, Jensen and Morrow get my vote. I think our current midfield is miles better than those four, all of whom I see as candidates for my worst ever Arsenal team (Jensen doesn’t get in my worst ever team, but he is a candidate). I see the other three as stronger candidates and probably would be in the side.

The only other issue worth mentioning is Morrow’s position in the team. He played in midfield and at left back, equally bad in both. But apart from him I am struggling to think of another terrible left back. So I would probably have Morrow at left back, rather in midfield. However, for the purpose of naming my worst ever midfield from those who would have played together as midfielders, as Morrow did I’m naming him as one of my selections for the worst midfield.

In my view none of our contemporary midfielders get in my worst ever team.

This was the period when GG froze out Davis and Limpar. Incredible when you look at the above names. Put Davis and Limpar together with Jensen and the young Romford Pele and we'd have had a decent midfield.

I wouldn’t argue with you point Tom. He froze out Williams too. But whatever the reason the four I mentioned became our midfield and in my view they were worse than the current mob, collectively and individually.


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Bernard wrote:
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I was around for hiller and Selley but they played more intermittently.

I’d definitely take the 1991 hillier over Xhaka by the way.

I’ve never witnessed a midfield or team like our current one who simply struggle to get the football up into the final third like we do. You can compare individual players but it’s more the output they are delivering if you get what I’m saying.

I can’t agree with you over Hillier and Xhaka. For me Xhaka is comfortably better. I understand what you mean by the output of our current midfield. But we currently have a collection of central midfielders comprising, in alphabetical order, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles (though I accept he has mainly played at right back), Özil, Torreira, Willock and Xhaka.

As a group they include creativity, ball winning, work rate, passing ability and energy. If a more than decent, balanced midfield cannot be created out of that mob, then perhaps Arteta isn’t doing quite as good a job as many (including me) appear to think?


You think they bring passing and creativity ? Really that’s nonsense Bernard

Whats the stat ? 4 assists and 1 goal for our 3 main midfielders this season? That’s appalling.

I just don’t think they are as good as you or many others think. Really I don’t.

Özil isn’t Özil anymore
Xhaka is still Xhaka that’s the problem
Ceballos is an odd one, a decent start but he seems something of a headless chicken
Guendouzi only plays well in cup games
Then you Have the hardworking Torreira and a couple of youngsters


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I can’t agree with you over Hillier and Xhaka. For me Xhaka is comfortably better. I understand what you mean by the output of our current midfield. But we currently have a collection of central midfielders comprising, in alphabetical order, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles (though I accept he has mainly played at right back), Özil, Torreira, Willock and Xhaka.

As a group they include creativity, ball winning, work rate, passing ability and energy. If a more than decent, balanced midfield cannot be created out of that mob, then perhaps Arteta isn’t doing quite as good a job as many (including me) appear to think?


You think they bring passing and creativity ? Really that’s nonsense Bernard

Whats the stat ? 4 assists and 1 goal for our 3 main midfielders this season? That’s appalling.

I just don’t think they are as good as you or many others think. Really I don’t.

Özil isn’t Özil anymore
Xhaka is still Xhaka that’s the problem
Ceballos is an odd one, a decent start but he seems something of a headless chicken
Guendouzi only plays well in cup games
Then you Have the hardworking Torreira and a couple of youngsters

Özil and Ceballos should bring passing and creativity. That is not nonsense. Xhaka can pass too.


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Bernard wrote:
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You think they bring passing and creativity ? Really that’s nonsense Bernard

Whats the stat ? 4 assists and 1 goal for our 3 main midfielders this season? That’s appalling.

I just don’t think they are as good as you or many others think. Really I don’t.

Özil isn’t Özil anymore
Xhaka is still Xhaka that’s the problem
Ceballos is an odd one, a decent start but he seems something of a headless chicken
Guendouzi only plays well in cup games
Then you Have the hardworking Torreira and a couple of youngsters

Özil and Ceballos should bring passing and creativity. That is not nonsense. Xhaka can pass too.

1 goal and 4 assists. They can’t

Games are won and lost in midfield.


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Bernard wrote:
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This was the period when GG froze out Davis and Limpar. Incredible when you look at the above names. Put Davis and Limpar together with Jensen and the young Romford Pele and we'd have had a decent midfield.

I wouldn’t argue with you point Tom. He froze out Williams too. But whatever the reason the four I mentioned became our midfield and in my view they were worse than the current mob, collectively and individually.

And I wouldn't argue with yours either Bern! You can throw Jimmy Carter and McGoldrick in the mix too. They were getting games ahead of Limpar. I seem to remember being at Highbury and seeing us take on the then all conquering Man Utd with a midfield 4 of Carter, Selley, Morrow, McGoldrick. I think we got a draw out of it too, amazingly.


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Bernard wrote:
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I was around for hiller and Selley but they played more intermittently.

I’d definitely take the 1991 hillier over Xhaka by the way.

I’ve never witnessed a midfield or team like our current one who simply struggle to get the football up into the final third like we do. You can compare individual players but it’s more the output they are delivering if you get what I’m saying.

I can’t agree with you over Hillier and Xhaka. For me Xhaka is comfortably better. I understand what you mean by the output of our current midfield. But we currently have a collection of central midfielders comprising, in alphabetical order, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles (though I accept he has mainly played at right back), Özil, Torreira, Willock and Xhaka.

As a group they include creativity, ball winning, work rate, passing ability and energy. If a more than decent, balanced midfield cannot be created out of that mob, then perhaps Arteta isn’t doing quite as good a job as many (including me) appear to think?

Surely we have to giver Arteta a bit longer than 6 weeks to judge what kind of job he's doing, good or bad?


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George was hysterical with Anders Limpar.

I attended that game at the dell where Limpar set up all 4 goals with Wright getting 3 and Campbell getting one.

One was an exquisite chip for wright to volley home if i recall. A real beauty.

Next game. DROPPED :laughing7:

Limpar was one of the most under rated players in football I think. Outside of arsenal and Everton he never seemed to get many plaudits. He was superb


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Post #327838  Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:30 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
1 goal and 4 assists. They can’t

Games are won and lost in midfield.

Ceballos and Özil are creative midfielders. That is what they are. They should be doing more. The point that they’re not is, I suspect, mainly a negative reflection on them. But the central midfield looks on paper a well balanced outfit. That it’s not performing as it should is presumably a reflection on the players or coach.


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Post #327839  Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:43 pm 
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tomc wrote:
Surely we have to giver Arteta a bit longer than 6 weeks to judge what kind of job he's doing, good or bad?

I would agree with that, and have posted the same before. It is too early to make one’s mind up about him, one way or the other, positive or negative. But we have a decent group of midfielders, at least on paper. If they’re not performing, at this point I’m willing to lay the primary blame on the players. Yet there will come a point when it may be legitimate to ask questions of Arteta too? He picks them, he coaches them, he tells them how he wants them to play, or at least should do.


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Post #327840  Posted: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:57 pm 
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Not sure if the press is making more than necessary of Mbappe touchline flare up about being substituted. I remember years ago an English player exchanging words about being substituted and the then manager said he hopes players don't want to be substituted. He took it in stride, didn't make more of it than it was. Players are hungry for minutes on the pitch. If it happens consistently then okay, but this incident by itself doesn't seem to be a big deal in the scope of things.


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