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AmericanGooner · **#499481**

Please Wolves, please!! Invoke the ghosts of the 1950s. Something, anything.

AmericanGooner · **#499482**

Between Lampard and OGS, it's gotta be OGS next to go. The job is way too big for him at this stage. He is not only manager but also help with transfers, etc. They are throwing a junior executive in a CEOs job if we want to use a company analogy. No skin off my teeth. I hope he fails miserably. Same with Lamps although it seems Chelsea are aware of the issues he inherited such as being banned from a transfer window. He will get a bit of time to get players and the youth movement they have going on will get him even more time.

AmericanGooner · **#499483**

If Aubameyang goes, and i'm not opposed to it IF we get a good price.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... r-21329327

AmericanGooner · **#499484**

OGS gets the dreaded support of the board. He may not make it the rest of the season.

Zed · **#499485**

OGS a mishap of problems. Explains why MU are going back in for Carlos Tevez. On loan at 35.

AmericanGooner · **#499486**

That didn't take long.

TOP GUN · **#499487**

AmericanGooner wrote:

If Aubameyang goes, and i'm not opposed to it IF we get a good price.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... r-21329327

Yes great idea. Let’s sell him

The only player who can put the ball in the net right now

Gaz from Oz · **#499488**

TOP GUN wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

If Aubameyang goes, and i'm not opposed to it IF we get a good price.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... r-21329327

Yes great idea. Let’s sell him

The only player who can put the ball in the net right now

Well actually I am with AG on this. I think we could get a big price in this window. But what that takes is faith that Arteta will keep us up & the team are heading in the right direction. Without him it will look pretty tight. But the future is not with him & I would rather we start moving now than wreck next year when he is gone. This year is dead - don’t make the mistake of killing off next year after he goes at the end of the season.
See if any of the young ones will step up. Martinelli already looks a solid prospect. Are Eddie or others good enough.

It would free up say 60 mil for the next window. I think my sell price is 70mil for right now.

Rich · **#499489**

Arsenal have rejected Brentford’s bid of £5m plus add ins for Balogan. Lots of people saying if Brentford are after your young player you’re doing something right.
Nketiah, John-jules, Balogan - will be interesting to see what Arsenal does with all 3 next season. Especially with the uncertain futures of Aubameyang and lacazette

Rich · **#499490**

If Aubameyang has no intention of signing a longer deal then we must must must sell him in the summer.
1 more year of Aubameyang and £0 or,
Lose the year but have £60-70m to buy a long term replacement and reshape the team.
One of the worst things we did in recent years was not take the £60m City offered for Sanchez when he had 6 months left on his deal - how on earth do you even begin to justify that?

The same goes for every single other player unless they are dead-ending their contract to retirement or their £ value is so low that having them for another year makes more sense than bagging under £5m

long time gooner · **#499491**

A remarkable and heartwarming quote from Santi Cazorla :

"I don't know if it's possible or not, but I want to play one more game for Arsenal before I retire. It was a deep regret that I could never have a proper goodbye. Arsenal was the biggest club I ever played for. I'm proud that I was an Arsenal player."

What a wonderful player.

AmericanGooner · **#499492**

Hmm...I still have a little bit of pace left. Maybe I can be there winger.
https://theathletic.com/1553072/2020/01 ... enix-club/
Exclusive: Disgruntled Arsenal fans to launch breakaway phoenix club based in Surrey – Dial Square FC

Bernard · **#499493**

Rich wrote:

If Aubameyang has no intention of signing a longer deal then we must must must sell him in the summer.
1 more year of Aubameyang and £0 or,
Lose the year but have £60-70m to buy a long term replacement and reshape the team.
One of the worst things we did in recent years was not take the £60m City offered for Sanchez when he had 6 months left on his deal - how on earth do you even begin to justify that?

The same goes for every single other player unless they are dead-ending their contract to retirement or their £ value is so low that having them for another year makes more sense than bagging under £5m

You and Gaz are both right in my view. I just don’t get Top Gun’s attitude on this issue. Aubameyang has halted negotiations over a contract extension so if we don’t sell him this January or in the summer, we’re massively likely to lose him for nothing in the summer of 2021. Or at best relative peanuts in January next year. But arguably more likely a big fat zero in the summer of 2021. No pounds, no pennies, no euros, no nothing. That would be utter madness.

Flog him (the slang term for selling, not whipping) quick. If not now then in the summer. Had Emery or Ljungberg stayed in post I’d have seen relegation as unlikely but still very possible. With Arteta in post there’s no chance of us going down even though I think it’s as yet too early to decide on whether he’ll be a great appointment or not. That makes losing Aubameyang for nothing even less excusable as selling him would, or should, give us the money to strengthen the side for next season.

AmericanGooner · **#499494**

Will Wenger be able to get a job in a top club? Or will he have to "settle" for a 2nd tier club below the top clubs? He's been out the game a little while now.

TOP GUN · **#499495**

Bernard wrote:

Rich wrote:

If Aubameyang has no intention of signing a longer deal then we must must must sell him in the summer.
1 more year of Aubameyang and £0 or,
Lose the year but have £60-70m to buy a long term replacement and reshape the team.
One of the worst things we did in recent years was not take the £60m City offered for Sanchez when he had 6 months left on his deal - how on earth do you even begin to justify that?

The same goes for every single other player unless they are dead-ending their contract to retirement or their £ value is so low that having them for another year makes more sense than bagging under £5m

You and Gaz are both right in my view. I just don’t get Top Gun’s attitude on this issue. Aubameyang has halted negotiations over a contract extension so if we don’t sell him this January or in the summer, we’re massively likely to lose him for nothing in the summer of 2021. Or at best relative peanuts in January next year. But arguably more likely a big fat zero in the summer of 2021. No pounds, no pennies, no euros, no nothing. That would be utter madness.

Flog him (the slang term for selling, not whipping) quick. If not now then in the summer. Had Emery or Ljungberg stayed in post I’d have seen relegation as unlikely but still very possible. With Arteta in post there’s no chance of us going down even though I think it’s as yet too early to decide on whether he’ll be a great appointment or not. That makes losing Aubameyang for nothing even less excusable as selling him would, or should, give us the money to strengthen the side for next season.

By all means sell him in the summer but not now as was being advocated in the article and by the Barcelona manager

Relegation is unlikely but we are only 7 points above the relegation zone and struggling to get wins with Aubameyang in the side who is our only player who can actually score.

If HBO sacked James Gandolfini after season 1 of the sopranos you’d have a bunch of old guys taking *%^@ in a pork store and nothing else

TAFKAEiN · **#499496**

Donny Howe today in 1984.

Bernard · **#499497**

TOP GUN wrote:

By all means sell him in the summer but not now as was being advocated in the article and by the Barcelona manager

Relegation is unlikely but we are only 7 points above the relegation zone and struggling to get wins with Aubameyang in the side who is our only player who can actually score.

If HBO sacked James Gandolfini after season 1 of the sopranos you’d have a bunch of old guys taking *%^@ in a pork store and nothing else

But you’ve already written off this season so I can’t see why you think selling him now is such a big deal? Even without him I just can’t see us going down. We also scored two at Chelsea so we can score without him. The only reason I’d prefer the summer than now is if getting rid would stop any chance of us winning the Europa League, which I not only see as vital but feasible.

But I presume you don’t see that as possible. If you’re right on that score and I’m wrong, I really can’t see why it’s an issue if we’d get more for him eighteen months from the end of his contract rather than a year.

TOP GUN · **#499498**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

By all means sell him in the summer but not now as was being advocated in the article and by the Barcelona manager

Relegation is unlikely but we are only 7 points above the relegation zone and struggling to get wins with Aubameyang in the side who is our only player who can actually score.

If HBO sacked James Gandolfini after season 1 of the sopranos you’d have a bunch of old guys taking *%^@ in a pork store and nothing else

But you’ve already written off this season so I can’t see why you think selling him now is such a big deal? Even without him I just can’t see us going down. We also scored two at Chelsea so we can score without him. The only reason I’d prefer the summer than now is if getting rid would stop any chance of us winning the Europa League, which I not only see as vital but feasible.

But I presume you don’t see that as possible.

Anyone who thinks we can win the Europa league urgently requires cognitive therapy. I mean serious proper Malcolm mcdowell clockwork orange type rehabilitations of the mind

6 wins in 23 Bernard. Do the math

The moment we meet anyone remotely average we will get our sphincter re sized to that of a bowling ball

... however relegation without aubameyang is 2 losses and a draw as things stand. Can’t sell him till summer and we won’t anyway

long time gooner · **#499499**

Greeny wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

Hmm...I still have a little bit of pace left. Maybe I can be there winger.

Maybe you can go their and ask?

Ha ha. Subtle. I nearly missed that one. :58big-emoticons:

AmericanGooner · **#499500**

Rough season for Arsenal fans. Possibly lowest position in the table for a season since the mid 90s and seeing what was once thought an unbreakable record in the modern era, seemingly easily beaten.
Hope remains for each but its tough.

Decaf · **#499501**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

By all means sell him in the summer but not now as was being advocated in the article and by the Barcelona manager

Relegation is unlikely but we are only 7 points above the relegation zone and struggling to get wins with Aubameyang in the side who is our only player who can actually score.

If HBO sacked James Gandolfini after season 1 of the sopranos you’d have a bunch of old guys taking *%^@ in a pork store and nothing else

But you’ve already written off this season so I can’t see why you think selling him now is such a big deal? Even without him I just can’t see us going down. We also scored two at Chelsea so we can score without him. The only reason I’d prefer the summer than now is if getting rid would stop any chance of us winning the Europa League, which I not only see as vital but feasible.

But I presume you don’t see that as possible. If you’re right on that score and I’m wrong, I really can’t see why it’s an issue if we’d get more for him eighteen months from the end of his contract rather than a year.

Greetings Bernard. I'm inclined to lean towards Top Gun's view about keeping Aubameyang until the end of the season. I don't take too much comfort from the fact that we scored 2 against Chelsea. We can't rely on opposing midfielders tripping over their own feet or opposing keepers letting in speculative efforts from Bellerin. We need just a little more on the attacking side than that. Putting too much responsibility on Martinelli seems very unwise to me. I agree that it is unlikely that we will go down but I don't think we should be complacent about it and selling our top score does seem to be asking for trouble. The sides below us are showing to many signs of life!

And on the other hand, there is the possibility that we might hit form. At the very least, Arteta needs as strong a squad as possible to try to get a bit of momentum, keep the fans happy, etc. And we are still 'in' the season in a positive sense. We could easily get ourselves into contention for European qualification (even the Champions league is not totally out of reach) and we shouldn't write ourselves off in either of the cup competitions we're still in.

Bernard · **#499502**

TOP GUN wrote:

Anyone who thinks we can win the Europa league urgently requires cognitive therapy. I mean serious proper Malcolm mcdowell clockwork orange type rehabilitations of the mind

I’d say there’s more chance of winning the Europa League than there is of going down. In my view by far the biggest reason not to sell him now is it compromising our chances of winning the Europa League, not avoiding relegation. There aren’t many teams left in it who I would make firm favourites to beat us if we draw them. Plenty where it could go either way. But not many who I’d make favourites to beat us

Ash · **#499503**

Devoted football fans experience 'dangerous' levels of stress https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51222376

Quote:

...Raised cortisol can also give people a feeling of impending doom, that their life is in danger or they are under attack.

Prolonged high levels of cortisol can:
■ constrict blood vessels
■ raise blood pressure
■ damage an already weakened heart

This season could finish us all off...!!

AmericanGooner · **#499504**

By far my worse season overall as a fan. Not sure how some of you old geezers made it out of the 60s and some of those years in the 70s and 80s.
None of my worse Arsenal moments thank God.
If Liverpool lose a league match I'll actually consider it a good season even if we finish mid table. Retaining the unbeaten season when it seems a certain record obliterated will make me so happy if it happens.

Gaz from Oz · **#499505**

TOP GUN wrote:

Bernard wrote:

You and Gaz are both right in my view. I just don’t get Top Gun’s attitude on this issue. Aubameyang has halted negotiations over a contract extension so if we don’t sell him this January or in the summer, we’re massively likely to lose him for nothing in the summer of 2021. Or at best relative peanuts in January next year. But arguably more likely a big fat zero in the summer of 2021. No pounds, no pennies, no euros, no nothing. That would be utter madness.

Flog him (the slang term for selling, not whipping) quick. If not now then in the summer. Had Emery or Ljungberg stayed in post I’d have seen relegation as unlikely but still very possible. With Arteta in post there’s no chance of us going down even though I think it’s as yet too early to decide on whether he’ll be a great appointment or not. That makes losing Aubameyang for nothing even less excusable as selling him would, or should, give us the money to strengthen the side for next season.

By all means sell him in the summer but not now as was being advocated in the article and by the Barcelona manager

Relegation is unlikely but we are only 7 points above the relegation zone and struggling to get wins with Aubameyang in the side who is our only player who can actually score.

If HBO sacked James Gandolfini after season 1 of the sopranos you’d have a bunch of old guys taking *%^@ in a pork store and nothing else

I think you will find that I don’t care if they had sacked this guy. Never watched 1 minute of it & an unlikely to change

Gaz from Oz · **#499506**

Greeny wrote:

Bernard wrote:

But you’ve already written off this season so I can’t see why you think selling him now is such a big deal? Even without him I just can’t see us going down. We also scored two at Chelsea so we can score without him. The only reason I’d prefer the summer than now is if getting rid would stop any chance of us winning the Europa League, which I not only see as vital but feasible.

But I presume you don’t see that as possible. If you’re right on that score and I’m wrong, I really can’t see why it’s an issue if we’d get more for him eighteen months from the end of his contract rather than a year.

Very unlikely we will sell him this January. What would be the point?
For some extra money? We'll get the same for him in the Summer. Or do we need cash to buy someone this January? To give youth a chance? There seems to be no reason.

If we do sell him we lose our only goalscorer and send a message to Europe that we are 3rd Tier selling Club
re scoring 2 at Chelsea...we had 2 shots at goal all game...

a) a fall by Kante allowing Martinelli a free run at goal where even Walcott would have put it in and
b) a shot by Bellerin with his weaker foot

It would be like selling Wrighty because Winterburn had just scored a screamer against Chelsea

Europa League is the big one, as you rightly said. We have to keep him for that. But we need his goals in the Premier League. We won't get relegated with him, but without him we could struggle.
We've scored 32 goals this season. Aubameyang has got 14 of them. 18 goals from others.
Norwich have scored 24, Watford 21, Bournemouth 23, West Ham 27, Villa 31.

He's also won us points in important games. Goal at Palace to get a draw, goal at Bournemouth to save a point, 2 goals at Carrow Rd. to avoid defeat, a brace at Watford to get us a point, and the winner at Newcastle.

No, we're relegation fodder if we sell Aubameyang without a replacement and then rely on Lacazette to rediscover his form and 2 youngsters where anything could happen.

Well here is my strategy on why we sell now. Take the money & bank it. The kids get a run out & we make assessments on whether they are good enough.

If not we spend some for a forward at the end of the season.

If we sell in the summer I think we will get less cash. Plus then we start next season maybe having to get Eddie or others going on their own. And if they don’t make it next season is over.

Of course we keep him and he decides to run down his contract or he gets injured at the end of this season and the interest dries up for a bloke in his 30’s. it’s not as if the club have done great deals in the market in the last decade. It’s only my idea others will see it different and be wrong of course.

gooner7 · **#499507**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Anyone who thinks we can win the Europa league urgently requires cognitive therapy. I mean serious proper Malcolm mcdowell clockwork orange type rehabilitations of the mind

I’d say there’s more chance of winning the Europa League than there is of going down. In my view by far the biggest reason not to sell him now is it compromising our chances of winning the Europa League, not avoiding relegation. There aren’t many teams left in it who I would make firm favourites to beat us if we draw them. Plenty where it could go either way. But not many who I’d make favourites to beat us

Quite a few 3rd placed teams from the Champions League will make it much more difficult for us. Not sure which is coming into the Europa yet, but some very strong ones in there.

I'm with selling Aubameyang with a large fee in Jan. I think he alone won't help us win the Europa. We need better midfielders to supply the lines.

Darren · **#499508**

Pablo Mari, 26, from Flamengo looks like he’s our new CB signing. £7.5m

Was on City’s books for 3 years but didn’t play for them. Played against Liverpool in World Club Championship Final. Pictures on Twitter of him with Edu at Rio airport coming to London last night. Medical today apparently.

No idea how good or bad he is.

DHD · **#499509**

Pablo Mari then?

Risen without trace. At least he’s 6’ 3”.

Darren · **#499510**

DHD wrote:

Pablo Mari then?

Risen without trace. At least he’s 6’ 3”.

I only know what I’ve read in the last 10 minutes. At least it’s another body at the back.

socrates · **#499511**

Darren wrote:

Pablo Mari, 26, from Flumenese looks like he’s our new CB signing. £7.5m

Was on City’s books for 3 years but didn’t play for them. Played against Liverpool in World Club Championship Final. Pictures on Twitter of him with Edu at Rio airport coming to London last night. Medical today apparently.

No idea how good or bad he is.

Hi Darren,

I saw that on twitter.

Like you I've no idea whether he's any good. Flamengo fans seem to rate him quite highly and he was apparently voted the best CB in Brazil & South America.

On the downside, it seems his weakness is a lack of pace. That always concerns me with defenders in the PL.

He's also 26 and has not been capped for Spain which is a bit odd.

If the price of £7.5m is correct then I suppose its one of those low risk gambles.

Rich · **#499512**

Darren wrote:

Pablo Mari, 26, from Flamengo looks like he’s our new CB signing. £7.5m

Was on City’s books for 3 years but didn’t play for them. Played against Liverpool in World Club Championship Final. Pictures on Twitter of him with Edu at Rio airport coming to London last night. Medical today apparently.

No idea how good or bad he is.

3 years at city (loan from city) should mean Arteta knows him. I don’t want us to be a club where the signings bypass any thought and input from the manager.
Like Soc, my biggest worry is the rumoured lack of pace. Pace covers so many mistakes.
£7.5m isn’t a lot but I’m fed up of us making stop gap or make do signings in defence. We rarely do this with strikers so why defence?
I was more excited by the Ukrainian guy we were linked with but then I’ve seen neither play

socrates · **#499513**

Rich wrote:

Darren wrote:

Pablo Mari, 26, from Flamengo looks like he’s our new CB signing. £7.5m

Was on City’s books for 3 years but didn’t play for them. Played against Liverpool in World Club Championship Final. Pictures on Twitter of him with Edu at Rio airport coming to London last night. Medical today apparently.

No idea how good or bad he is.

3 years at city (loan from city) should mean Arteta knows him. I don’t want us to be a club where the signings bypass any thought and input from the manager.
Like Soc, my biggest worry is the rumoured lack of pace. Pace covers so many mistakes.
£7.5m isn’t a lot but I’m fed up of us making stop gap or make do signings in defence. We rarely do this with strikers so why defence?
I was more excited by the Ukrainian guy we were linked with but then I’ve seen neither play

Hi Rich,

I am not going to judge him until I see him play but for that kind of money you would have thought teams around europe would have been all over him like a rash long before now.

Let's face it you do not find many 26 year old hidden gems these days.

Sounds to me like a squad filler kind of signing with little financial downside and plenty of upside if he exceeds expectations.

Bernard · **#499514**

Greeny wrote:

gooner7 wrote:

Ajax, Benfica, Celtic Inter, Man U, Porto, Roma, Sevilla, Wolves

I would give us a chance of beating any of them. As I said, there are plenty that could go either way but I consider Top Gun’s observation that anyone who thinks we can win the Europa League this season as requiring cognitive therapy to be laughably ridiculous.

I accept the chances are we won’t win as we’re not miles better than all the other teams and there are quite a few rounds to get through. But we certainly have a chance of winning it. I don’t think that means I need cognitive therapy.

long time gooner · **#499515**

Rich wrote:

Darren wrote:

Pablo Mari, 26, from Flamengo looks like he’s our new CB signing. £7.5m

Was on City’s books for 3 years but didn’t play for them. Played against Liverpool in World Club Championship Final. Pictures on Twitter of him with Edu at Rio airport coming to London last night. Medical today apparently.

No idea how good or bad he is.

3 years at city (loan from city) should mean Arteta knows him. I don’t want us to be a club where the signings bypass any thought and input from the manager.
Like Soc, my biggest worry is the rumoured lack of pace. Pace covers so many mistakes.
£7.5m isn’t a lot but I’m fed up of us making stop gap or make do signings in defence. We rarely do this with strikers so why defence?
I was more excited by the Ukrainian guy we were linked with but then I’ve seen neither play

Seems like the sort of signing that Hill City would make.

Fingers crossed that he turns out to be a hidden gem bargain. Perhaps Edu had some input too?

TAFKAEiN · **#499516**

Greeny wrote:

re Dial Square FC, this imaginary phoenix club, I'd just like to add a link explaining it as well.

https://shewore.com/2020/01/24/dial-squ ... enix-club/

Oh there's more.

He hates the commercialisation of the game but has 'commercial' and 'gofundme' buttons on his website.

Also if you google him he runs a construction company from the same address he's registered this joke at...nothing to do with his aim to build a brand new stadium I'm sure.

Bloke's a wrong 'un and a chancer.

TAFKAEiN · **#499517**

Anyway who says Liverpool can't be beaten. Match report from today's game in 1936.

TAFKAEiN · **#499518**

long time gooner wrote:

Rich wrote:

3 years at city (loan from city) should mean Arteta knows him. I don’t want us to be a club where the signings bypass any thought and input from the manager.
Like Soc, my biggest worry is the rumoured lack of pace. Pace covers so many mistakes.
£7.5m isn’t a lot but I’m fed up of us making stop gap or make do signings in defence. We rarely do this with strikers so why defence?
I was more excited by the Ukrainian guy we were linked with but then I’ve seen neither play

Seems like the sort of signing that Hill City would make.

Fingers crossed that he turns out to be a hidden gem bargain. Perhaps Edu had some input too?

It's a rarity when it happens, but I've actually seen this guy play a few times.

Difficult to judge as he was playing in an abysmal Depor team but he seemed to be the only defender on the pitch quite often. Also it seemed to me he was the only one trying to organise people which is something we need badly. He seems to have progressed greatly in the last year or so and whilst a gamble (which anyone is frankly) he does have something about him and I hope he takes this chance with both feet. If we sign him.

Bernard · **#499519**

long time gooner wrote:

Seems like the sort of signing that Hill City would make.

Is Hill City’s stadium in the Lake District or the Pennines?

Rich · **#499520**

Talk now that Mari could be on loan with an option to buy. That would make a lot of sense

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