He deserves a holiday. In China.

Yes Fish, you are 100% correct there. The sooner we get that a****** out of the club the happier I will be.

320k per week if memory serves me well.

Beggars belief.

Years of ignoring the defensive part of the game beautifully demonstrated in one half of football. Will City have an easier game? I almost want us to get relegated bt i don't think we'll come straight back up.

Kroenke out

How many yellows for them? Is there still a rule that says 5 yellows gets a fine for not controlling their players?

How are they allowed to get away with it?

How many players did we lose today?

I didn't feel anger today, I just felt sadness. It wasn't even a lack of effort, it was men against boys physically and mentally.

Not sure where we go from here. A peak Alex Ferguson would struggle to get a tune out of this lot.

We need a big clear-out and the kind of investment only City and United can make. Not going to happen under the current regime.

And please no more Özil.

I actually think that in a decent team, where his occasional aberrations could be indulged, Pépé could be a really exciting player.

Martinelli barely got a pass in the second half. What a waste of a talent.

At least FL hooked Özil, hopefully that’ll be the last we see of him. Other than that it’s pretty grim.

Me too.

We were totally smashed and you waffle on about fouls against us ...we'd have committed a few too if we could have got anywhere near the ball .

The players need to pretend this match never happened. I won't be surprised if we end up mid table. It won't be the end of the world. It will seem like it but it won't be. The fact is Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea, have all been there and/are there.

I wonder how the Kroenke's will react? That's the most important thing. We can not change things from the middle down, it MUST come from the top down. The Glaziers learned that. Man Utd fans don't complain about them any longer. The Glaziers just hire the best football men, send a blank check and shut up.

7 pts off relegation.
Yes. Arsenal We Love You, We Do....

Never will forget this...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ory.sport7

Correct on the first ...wrong on the second .

Other teams can pass the ball accurately ...we cannot .
We have only two options ...f***%%$ around playing the Chambers , Sokratis , Chambers , Sokratis , Maitland Niles , Leno triangles or .... the hopeful Hoof

...... and until someone solves this Wenger legacy we will struggle .

We don't need huge investment .... Norwich beat City ; Newcastle got a draw with them just last week .

We need the clear out and a decent manager .

I'm not saying Ljungberg had to punch Guardiola at games end but his all smiles and prolonged conversation isn't the reaction I'd expect from a manager whose side had just been so humiliated .

Why the hell I just invested in Spark with Premier League coverage is beyond me I'm going to cancel that as soon as possible .

Out of the mouths of babes .... I've just lamented to Mrs Kiwi ..she who supposedly knows little about football .
me ...."We were totally outplayed it was like men against seven year olds "
Mrs Kiwi ... I think there is far too much money in the sport these days ... players don't have to put in a lot of effort . They are rewarded whether they perform or not , there should be lower wages and a bonus system .

Well there you have it ....anyway I've made a token gesture I've cancelled my Premier TV subscription .

F***& Arsenal I'll view from afar .

Lacazette's face said it all near the end "I'm not on the pitch and I have to watch this sh**t .

Freddie reckons we played quite well in the second half ... really .

China cancelled coverage of our match and screened Wolves v Spurs instead after Özil's comments .

Probably all Arsenal merchandise heading for a landfill somewhere .

Chambers was lazy and woeful in the first 2 goals. The fact is he is not good enough in that position even at Fulham. The fact Freddie picked him suggests that Freddie has no idea of what players are capable of.

People talk about starting again. Then I want Bould Ljunberg & others out as well because they are part of the no care no responsibility culture at the club.

It takes 3-5 years to change culture in any organisation. We haven’t even started yet. If we really put in an effort to change we will be bottom half for the next 2 seasons at least. And we have to find a manager first. The Wenger legacy, like Ferguson’s at Man U is really taking some effort to clear. Every easy going player has the potential to harm our new purchases by making them think just collect the wages & take it easy.

There are even some young players now who will pass in a triangle rather than try something difficult.

Disappointed in Freddie & a lot of the players.

Back from the game

Don’t know what to say really. I thought Torreira tried his best and only him, Martinelli and Kolasinac came away with any credit.

The defending is just crazy, especially for their 2nd goal.

The crowd aren’t helping, the atmosphere is toxic and whilst it’s disappointing I’m not sure constantly booing the team off helps.

Freddie was right hooking Özil who was terrible and moaning about being subbed is just ludicrous.

Where do we go from here ? We need a new manager but the size of the task is huge. This is a complete rebuild job.

I think the issue we have to fix ASAP is to get a couple of full backs on loan ASAP. We are all over the place in those positions and now have serious injuries.

Make no mistake this is a massive crisis that will take years to fix.

He really had a bad game,

People criticising Torreira for bombing forward are missing the point. Lucas is a single man midfield right now.

Torreira was getting tackles in and at least was was breaking up their rhythm to some extent. The defence is constantly criticised but I think midfield is a bigger problem and if we got two good midfielders in, with the right coaching, we would improve to a huge extent. You just can't play with a dysfunctional midfield. Guendouzi is a promising kid but he's not a teenage Fabregas, Wilshere or Ramsey.

Went to bed after half-time. Was thinking, why would I stay up to watch Arsenal doing nothing with the ball? With Özil, we will always be 10 and a half men versus 11. Aubameyang was anonymous in the first half. Why?

Who is coaching them about team positional play? Some players over commit when trying to win back the ball, and then a gap opens up. That is how teams cut through our midfield like knife on butter.

Don't think you are quite on the money here Gaz ... Chambers is pretty hopeless , but so is Luiz and Sokratis and Mustafi ... Holding is injured . It would be fair to say we have the worst collection of centre halves in the top two divisions .... maybe the world .
I'd more subscribe to the view Freddie just doesn't know what to do .... he is miles out of his depth .

Resuscitating this train wreck of a club isn't a job for a rookie .

Certainly felt like City went up a notch on the quality compared to some of their recent games but was that more down to us being the easiest team to look good against? Nearly every other team in the league gave city more of a fright and fight than we did. The lack of effort is astonishing and unforgivable.
Players aren’t fools, they know that individually city are better players but that’s where the team ethic comes in. Plenty of worse teams on paper give better players bloody noses because they work for each other, trust each other, know their job, willing to do the ugly side of the game etc etc. We don’t have the stomach for it and half this team have mentally checked out for the season.

We used to always be 3 or so players from really having a team, I think were 10 or so players and a manager from having a competitive top 4 team. I don’t think any of our central defence or central midfield is currently fit for purpose for the premier league.

We need to get rid of so many. Özil, Xhaka, mustafi, Sokratis, luiz, Chambers, kolasinac all not up to it. Aubameyang, Lacazette, Torriera will probably all need to be sold to raise funds.

From what I saw, we were playing with belief for a good period in the first half, until their second goal. When the third went in, players who were expected to provide leadership failed to. The senior players did not do enough to motivate the team. Not sure how the second was for Aubameyang, but he was anonymous in the first. Could be the way we were set-up, but as Captain, he could have done more to show drive for the team. I think his heart is no longer in it. Can't blame him when we have tip-toe Özil trying (not) to assist our attacking play. Drop Özil for good. He does not bust a gut for the team.

Total shambles but heads up to Freddie for calling out the board in his presser. Three weeks since Emery was sacked and nothing.

And Özil can just *%^@ off too. Shadow of a player. Martinelli, Torriera, Guendouzi and Leno are all that's worth salvaging, long term from this current project, save for a couple of the youth players.

The excellent Swiss Ramble has just posted some early champions league money tables. So far the 4 English clubs have event about £60-70m each. Champions league money is getting bigger and bigger. Put this alongside matchday revenue becoming a much smaller differential because of the vast tv deals in the prem and Arsenal have somehow managed to reach a perfect storm of being rubbish just at the wrong time.

The only things lacking from our team are quality, power, athleticism, pace, organisation, discipline, brains and desire.

Apart from that we are all right.

Morning grumpy,

Mrs Kiwi is right, some of the kids are millionaires before they are out of their teens. Many are more interested in fast cars and loose women (and why wouldn't they be) than being the consummate professional.

However, in our case its the senior pros who are woeful.

I think things are now so bad defensively I'd actually take fat Sam until the end of the season.

He knows how to organise a defence and a few heads would be bashed together as well.

I’m not sure this is great actually. He knew what he was in for when he signed up to caretake

I think it’s indicative that he’s aware he’s not getting a chance at the job. Arseblogger was saying yesterday that he’s heard an announcement is imminent. If this is true I’d like to know what William Hill are offering on it being Ancellotti as he’d be a decent punt.

Before going to the game I said to my son I just hope the match isn't over as a contest too quickly....

Since the KSE bought into the club its been declining slowly and steadily year on year. In the owners eyes, we are Arsenal PLC, an overseas investment, and not The Arsenal, one of the most historic and iconic football clubs in the world.

KSE's aims are different to those of us supporters, and as long as they own our club I think our football aspirations are completely reliant on KSE's ability to sign great players and manager on a budget determined by KSE's investment criteria.

The question then becomes:

1) how do we get KSE to sell Arsenal to an owner with real sporting ambitions?
2) or how do we persuade KSE to manage Arsenal in a way that is befitting of our history and status?

If your low on confidence and lacking battle Goodison park is the last place I’d go.

They always chase every ball, the crowd is always on the back of the ref and our youngsters will be getting kicked all over the park in cold conditions.

I don’t fancy that game A single bit and think we won’t be able to stabilise ourselves until the new year.

I genuinely can’t see us finishing higher than we are and I’ve never seen an Arsenal team in my life that contains such little self belief.

Indeed it isn't. Now that our fullbacks are all crock we are really up *%^@ creek.

We needed to go three at the back even if it had to be three of those four jokers. The gaps in our defense for the first two goals were ridiculous (the third was just de Bruyn's brilliance). The second goal is just inexplicable. Giving every team that plays us two goals, let alone giving City two in the first 20 minutes ...

I'm happy that he picked Aubameyang, Martinelli and Pépé. We have to stick with that.

Özil? But who on earth to replace him? Smith Rowe? AMN?

Torriera and and Guendouzi? Again ... who else?

I'm certainly no fan of Fat Sam but given our inability to defend, and players like Özil wafting around the pitch, it would be quite funny watching the effect of him managing until the end of the season. I see an image of a chicken coop with loads of crashing, thumping and feathers puffing out of the windows....

Overreaction. Pépé, Lacazette, Aubamayeng, Torriera, Tierny (from what little I've seen), Bellerin, Holding, Guenduzzi and yes Xhaka are all Premier league quality.

Kroenke thought that we would get top 4 forever and Wenger was a gift from god. He made somewhere in the region of 700 million to a billion quid on the value of his shares so far. Not sure if his American business provides that and in fact he’s had to put a billion of his own money into his LA stadium.

The moment the competition sorted their lives out spurs, Leicester and Liverpool over took us and it was too late.

It’s not just the lack of money it’s the absenteeism and lack of understanding that has killed us.

It will take massive protests to oust him but I looked around the ground yesterday as it emptied in front of my eyes and realised I spent 150 quid on tickets, had been served up dross entertainment and that in fact Kroenke may have to sell to stop the decline of his business as believe me many supporters WONT be renewing their season tickets this summer and the consumers HE has created are getting served poor entertainment at high prices.

It’s just not much fun going down The Arsenal anymore

He will have to play CB for us but he is probably still an improvement