Doubt if an ambitious manager like Rogers will abandon a title chasing team to join this gormless, relegation form shambles.

If the players refuse to or cannot learn basic off the ball positioning then why do we keep picking them. Go and pick a defence and midfield made up from the U23 players, put Leno behind them and put Pépé, Aubameyang and Martinelli up top.

Always ready to educate the less fortunate ....... because Johnny Boy IT ISN'T KROENKE'S FAULT

Three reasons for this monstrous great steaming cess pit of mediocrity ...
[1] Arsene Wenger
[2] Unai Emery
[3 ] the players themselves

This has nothing whatesoever to do with lack of expenditure ... we are regularly outplayed by minnows Norwich , Watford , Southampton , Wolves , Crystal Palace , Brighton because they have more heart , bottle , application whatever you want to call it .

Pépé's transfer fee would probably have brought the whole Brighton squad .

....and we will continue to have these p**ss poor performances while we have the same mindset .

Not sure where a win is coming either!

Don't see many points before Christmas.

Fat Sam would keep us up. Get him in for the rest of the season now - and I'm only half joking.

By the way look at what Potter has done to Brighton. In a few months he’s changed them from a dour, direct nothing team to a club playing out from the back, crisp passing, off the ball movement and creating plenty of chances. I saw them v Liverpool and they were twice as good as we were there.

It really isn’t rocket science, get a manager with an identity and philosophy and bomb out of the club anyone who isn’t towing the line

When teams break against us our midfield area is like the Mary Celeste, there's nobody there just wide open spaces.

You don't even see that in Sunday morning football.

We cannot afford to have a luxury player like Özil in the side nor can we afford to be playing the league's top scorer in a wide position.

Arsenal defender Hector Bellerin to Amazon: "I don't know what to say. I have the feeling that whatever we do it doesn't come out right. The team gave its best, we created chances, we defended good but it seems like we need so many chances to score and teams score every chancee against us. I am lost for words a little bit.

"Every single player has given 100%. When we go out on to the pitch we want to win and give our best. I feel that our team was full of energy, it's hard to take. We have to keep going, I am sure 100% that results will come.

"Football is like life sometimes, you go through ups and downs. I have won trophies here, had good seasons and bad seasons.

"Freddie has helped the team a lot this week. He has added a lot of energy to the dressing room."

I’m sorry but lots to disagree with there Hector.
Opposition scoring every chance and us having to work so hard for them? That sounds like blaming bad luck rather than facing up to the facts, Brighton could have had 5 tonight!

We have had a really easy run of matches. I mean really very easy. Played the bottom three and could not get a win! *%^@*** relegation form is that.

This situation requires a big man to change things. It probably already also needs a fairly top quality CB and DCM in January. So that's at least £100 million plus a new manager. But this is not to get us into the top four. That is long gone. It's necessary to stave off relegation.

Your right

Any sound minded professional would run a million miles from this mess but if Rogers is on 5 million a year then double it and pay him ten million a year even if it meant selling a squad player like Smith rowe to finance it. Turn down doubling your salary ? Tougher decision.

Agreed, if Özil does nothing v Brighton at home he just shouldn’t be in the team. We have far too many passengers without the ball.
Comparing the energy of our front 3 v Liverpool’s is like chalk and cheese

I want to see a CB pairing of Chambers and Holding. We’ve tried everything else.

Feels to me that the wall is pretty messy at the moment.

The only top manager who would take us on now is one with a massive ego who believes he can work miracles because nobody wants a failure on their CV especially if they have designs on one of the real top jobs like Barca, Madrid or Bayern.

Why not give bloody Graham Potter a go, Brighton looked a class act on the ball.

Ljungberg saying “we didn’t work hard enough”

That is not acceptable. There has to be repercussions. Don’t keep picking these players. Drop them. If they are happy enough to sit on the sidelines collect their money and not fight for a place in the team then dump them out of the club completely.

I’ve had enough of the lot of them

The only time when I can remember us being this bad was 94-95 when our side was just plain average just prior to George getting sacked. Couldn’t buy a win

I’m not trying to depress anybody but this is bad. We are 5 points off relegation zone and have city & chelsea coming up and united on New Year’s Day.

This can go anywhere

We had lower quality players and even then we were not this bad. Feels like mid 1970s bad when we avoided relegation two years running. Need a Jimmy Rimmer and a Brian Kidd in the team

Not quite sure where all this Potter eulogising is coming from. Because Arsenal make them look good? It's all about points on the board and this time last season, Brighton were three points better off.

What's Ranieri up to these days?

He would be mad to leave Leicester for this heap of steaming turd.

Arsenal FC........ let us *%^@ up your cv

Benitez springs to mind

Benitez for me. I know that is a far from progressive move but we need a really experienced manager to steady the ship. He is the type to get players to work hard on the defensive side of the game. It wouldn't be pretty but Emery has drained the confidence from most of the players and they need a strong manager to turn it around.

Yes. Be a good shout

4-5-1 and nothing fancy

A winless run of 9 games is the worst in 42 years, 1977.
And look which sides we have on the horizon....fancy 16th/17th place possibly.

Please come back Bernard.

This is going to worse. We are in crisis territory. When Too Gun said we are in free fall he was dead right. This is on the owners.

Drop Özil. He slows down our attacks. And he is hardly, or never, around to defend.

Most of our players are lazy.

Drop Luiz. Style but no substance.

We are leaking goals to everyone. Freddie's not up to it. I've suggested as much. This season may just have to be a wash. Don't be shocked if we end up mid table. It's not the end of the world. Liverpool finished 8th a few years ago. Man Utd went through the same thing under Moyes. Chelsea nearly as bad as well.

We flog the dead weight. Get started now on targets for both January and the summer. I am willing to wait for Rodgers. Sacrifice the rest of the season to wait for him in the summer. I'd rather that than Howe or anyone else like Arteta.

I agree Brom ... we are past being able to be fussy , it's all hands the the pumps and stand by the lifeboats Big Sam would be my choice .
He can organise a defence , has presence , not shy in criticising players . Ljungberg is far too lightweight
, I doubt Mertesacker is the " tell em how it is " type either
We don't want nice guys , club legends , we are at a crisis point because it is all to obvious no-one at the club has any idea what to do .


Check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qN6i0Rt2WDg ... ..the panel nails the problems while the official Arsenal dude Jules somebody is in full blown defensive mode trying to deflect criticism .

9th Dec: West Ham United (20:00) Arsenal

15th Dec: Arsenal(16:30) Manchester City

21st Dec: Everton (12:30) Arsenal

26th Dec: AFC Bournemouth (15:00)Arsenal

29th Dec: Arsenal (14:00)Chelsea

1st Jan: Arsenal (20:00) Manchester United



So where’s our next 3 points folks....

So 3 home wins plus wins against Everton And Westhsm + a point against Bournemouth. 16 points or we change manager/ coach - no pressure

I’d go for Benitez until the end of the season as well, would he come for a 6 month job though?

We talk about the confidence being drained from the team, removing the manager has had no effect on them. No new manager bounce, no shackles off. The players have gone beyond downing tools, it’s like every single one of them has the yips, they cannot play football right now, basics are so wrong. I’ve said we’re the worst team in the division right now, every other team can muster a reaction even if for only 1 game, there is something. We’re barely registering a pulse

When Liverpool finished 8th and Chelsea finished 8th you could still look at the players and see with some changes and coaching they would easily be a better team. I look at our squad (who will finish well below 8th by the way) and just don’t see it.
Who is going to want to buy any of our defence or midfield? Have any of that defence or midfield shown anything for the past 2 years that makes us think they can improve?

The multiple sticking plasters we had on this team have been ripped off, and every team in the league can see how exposed we are and how to beat us. It is the easiest tactical set up for any coach. Even up until last season plenty of teams gave us too much respect and we probably beat them due to their passive play. Now everyone can truly see us for what we are.

It is humiliating

(1) Freddie was only at Arsenal because Steve Bould was fed up of hearing Emery trying to talk Spanish to players on the training ground rather than in English. That’s how daft things are at arsenal

(2) Alexandre Lacazette has scored 25 of his 32 Premier League goals at the Emirates Stadium. We need to drop him away from home. Tough decision but needs to be done

(3) we only signed David Luiz because Edu and him have the same agent Kia Joorabchian and as a favour. As soon as you start making decisions like that you’ve lost control. Needs to be dropped

Lacazette has 25 of his 32 league goals at home. We need to drop him when we play away from home. We’ve been crying out for balance in this team for years, stop picking the ‘best’ players and pick the best team.

Our last 22 games in the league W6 D8 L8

26 points from 22 games. Just enough to stay in the division

Drop Özil (who simply doesn't do enough) and Sokratis (who is far more calamitous than Luiz at the moment).
Play Torriera as defensive midfielder.

Beyond that ... I don't envy Ljungberg, and I doubt there are many managers who would want to take on this mess.

Scarily, the teams below us keep picking up points.

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Wish I'd said that. Oh wait I did and TG poo pooed it......

Does he still? Probably.......