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Post #352722  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:24 am 
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They (the powers at arsenal) believe the project is sound, well planned and will bring success, provided the external atmosphere allows it to do so.

Blaming the fans? Has the club ever been so out of touch with its fans?

Wasn’t there a quite from Xhaka basically sayinfg the support he’s received from certain quarters have left him feeling justified in his actions


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They (the powers at arsenal) believe the project is sound, well planned and will bring success, provided the external atmosphere allows it to do so.



I'd win the lottery if the right numbers come up.

About the same odds I reckon.


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Never thought Terry Neill would relinquish his place as the worst Arsenal manager of my lifetime.

Actually the only good thing about Emery is he seems to have reunited the fanbase to some extent.

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Yes, AG is still out on a limb but otherwise a certain amount of unity prevails. Weird. People are having to find really petty issues to pick fights over.

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Post #352725  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 10:50 am 
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Seen the standard reports saying ‘how many of this arsenal team get a n Leicester’s team?
It’s the wrong way of looking at it on two accounts
1) if you dropped a single arsenal player in the Leicester squad, coached and trained as the rest are then I have no doubt they could perform with the confidence and verve Leicester do
2) not one of the sheff Utd team get in our 11 on paper but they beat us through knowing their roles, giving their all for their manager, team mates and fans, defending and attacking as a team


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Never thought Terry Neill would relinquish his place as the worst Arsenal manager of my lifetime.

Actually the only good thing about Emery is he seems to have reunited the fanbase to some extent.

Welcome back.
Yes, AG is still out on a limb but otherwise a certain amount of unity prevails. Weird. People are having to find really petty issues to pick fights over.


I've looked in a few times but as I have a scroll button I've no idea what AG has been saying.

I did, however, notice Top Gun telling heinous lies about me.


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Post #352727  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 11:52 am 
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Welcome back.
Yes, AG is still out on a limb but otherwise a certain amount of unity prevails. Weird. People are having to find really petty issues to pick fights over.


I've looked in a few times but as I have a scroll button I've no idea what AG has been saying.

I did, however, notice Top Gun telling heinous lies about me.


Welcome back (new name that’s a mouthful but definitely not Welsh).

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Post #352728  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:16 pm 
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I've looked in a few times but as I have a scroll button I've no idea what AG has been saying.

I did, however, notice Top Gun telling heinous lies about me.


Welcome back (new name that’s a mouthful but definitely not Welsh).


In fact it’s a bit Tafkaesque

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Welcome back (new name that’s a mouthful but definitely not Welsh).


In fact it’s a bit Tafkaesque


The artist formerly known as Exiled in Newcastle?

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Post #352730  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:57 pm 
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Surprise, surprise our useless owner is thinking about the pennies again, what is the saying?, penny wise pound stupid?.

Oh well enjoy seeing your asset value begin to decline as we fester in midtable with a half empty Emirates, not that you give a sh*t of course, being another ignorant fool who made their money off the back of family fortune and/or real estate investment.

We are now officially a 'sleeping giant' all thanks to Kroenke Sports Enterprises.

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Post #352731  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 1:15 pm 
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Ornstein has spoken and it’s not good.

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Doubt that's accurate, but if it is I wonder what they'd point to as a reason for optimism. I think I'm known as pretty optimistic when it comes to Arsenal, but no matter how hard I look I just can't find a single positive sign at the moment. We're not doing anything well. Poor defensively, poor offensively, no control in midfield, no cohesion.

Our squad isn't perfect, but it's really good. Can't point to anyone but the manager at this point.


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Thing is Haz, apparently his deal is three years with a review after two. If we sack him now we need to pay off the 18 months left. Sack him after this season and we pay nothing as the break clause comes into effect. I hope it’s b%*&s%*^ but it smacks of Kroenke-nomics.

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Thing is Haz, apparently his deal is three years with a review after two. If we sack him now we need to pay off the 18 months left. Sack him after this season and we pay nothing as the break clause comes into effect. I hope it’s b%*&s%*^ but it smacks of Kroenke-nomics.

It gets worse than that. I’ve been told by a source I trust that Kroenke thinks the club owes him £120m which he loaned it to fund the purchase of players, and he wants it back.

Welcome back Exiled. It’ll take a while before I remember how to spell the new name you’re using.


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How quickly Emery fell ............. was sad about it, but now it is disappointment. He is just as stubborn and arrogant as AW.

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Thing is Haz, apparently his deal is three years with a review after two. If we sack him now we need to pay off the 18 months left. Sack him after this season and we pay nothing as the break clause comes into effect. I hope it’s b%*&s%*^ but it smacks of Kroenke-nomics.

It gets worse than that. I’ve been told by a source I trust that Kroenke thinks the club owes him £120m which he loaned it to fund the purchase of players, and he wants it back.

Welcome back Exiled. It’ll take a while before I remember how to spell the new name you’re using.

It's as clear as day that Emery is clueless, but as we all know, sadly we'll never hit the heights again under this ownership. All we can hope for is a big enough bid to come in from somewhere. But this is likely to go on for years and years.


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Post #352737  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:28 pm 
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Emery: "My message to everyone would be to stay calm because we can improve. When they scored the first goal maybe that was the moment we lost the possibility to do anything in the game. Before that our attitude had been good & I was pleased with the way we stuck to the gameplan"

The fans have known for a long time that if arsenal concede first away from home it is nearly always game over.....but for the coach to admit that! There was 22 minutes left, change tactics, change shape, up the tempo - basically do what you are paid to do! So infuriating. I totally believe that the club will wait until the end of the season before parting ways, and it will be a parting of ways because no chance is he making champions league.


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TAFKAEiN wrote:
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Welcome back.
Yes, AG is still out on a limb but otherwise a certain amount of unity prevails. Weird. People are having to find really petty issues to pick fights over.


I've looked in a few times but as I have a scroll button I've no idea what AG has been saying.

I did, however, notice Top Gun telling heinous lies about me.


Hey Ex,

Welcome back.

How's things with that lad of yours?


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Bernard wrote:
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Thing is Haz, apparently his deal is three years with a review after two. If we sack him now we need to pay off the 18 months left. Sack him after this season and we pay nothing as the break clause comes into effect. I hope it’s b%*&s%*^ but it smacks of Kroenke-nomics.

It gets worse than that. I’ve been told by a source I trust that Kroenke thinks the club owes him £120m which he loaned it to fund the purchase of players, and he wants it back.



Sadly, that sounds very believable, Bernard.


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How quickly Emery fell ............. was sad about it, but now it is disappointment. He is just as stubborn and arrogant as AW.


Wonder if any of Emery's ex-player name his son after him? Like Arshavin naming his son Arseniy. I didn't know Arshavin loves Wenger that much.

Well I suppose he did get a big payday from his Arsenal career.

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Doubt that's accurate, but if it is I wonder what they'd point to as a reason for optimism. I think I'm known as pretty optimistic when it comes to Arsenal, but no matter how hard I look I just can't find a single positive sign at the moment. We're not doing anything well. Poor defensively, poor offensively, no control in midfield, no cohesion.

Our squad isn't perfect, but it's really good. Can't point to anyone but the manager at this point.


"Arsenal bosses “100%” behind Unai Emery"

possibly sizing up the best spot to slip the knife in?

Now would be an excellent time, with a relatively easy run of game coming.

Not likely, unfortunately. But you can never tell, especially not from what they say!

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Emery: "My message to everyone would be to stay calm because we can improve. When they scored the first goal maybe that was the moment we lost the possibility to do anything in the game. Before that our attitude had been good & I was pleased with the way we stuck to the gameplan"

The fans have known for a long time that if arsenal concede first away from home it is nearly always game over.....but for the coach to admit that! There was 22 minutes left, change tactics, change shape, up the tempo - basically do what you are paid to do! So infuriating. I totally believe that the club will wait until the end of the season before parting ways, and it will be a parting of ways because no chance is he making champions league.


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Thing is Haz, apparently his deal is three years with a review after two. If we sack him now we need to pay off the 18 months left. Sack him after this season and we pay nothing as the break clause comes into effect. I hope it’s b%*&s%*^ but it smacks of Kroenke-nomics.

But it doesn't even make sense from a financial point. He's rumored to be on £6m per year, even if we were forced to continue paying him for the full contract period it's nothing compared to the fees we spent on players in the summer.

I get that you can structure deals in different ways, but it just doesn't make sense to spend £70m on a player and then not be able to pay £9m in wages to a sacked manager.


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Pundit said Liverpool has never lost whenever Firmino starts. Obviously channeling the spirit of a certain previous Liverpool player who had a longer record. :1laughter:

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If Emery is sacked it will be interested how much luster still remains on The Arsenal name. I can see pretty much any UK manager raking the job, it's still a prize job. As far as international managers? Hmmm....remains to be seen. If we were spending money? Yes. But these days the top managers almost always will only work at clubs where they have a blank check to sign players.

Be careful what you ask for Arsenal fans.

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The Arsenal fan known as Exiled in Newcastle?

:58big-emoticons: I think you nailed it.

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but it just doesn't make sense to spend £70m on a player and then not be able to pay £9m in wages to a sacked manager.


I agree that It’s inconceivable. And anyway in the parallel universe where giant football clubs like AFC can’t afford to pay off a years salary of a manager, there are things called banks/investors who would be delighted to lend them some cash...


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Yes, AG is still out on a limb but otherwise a certain amount of unity prevails. Weird. People are having to find really petty issues to pick fights over.


I've looked in a few times but as I have a scroll button I've no idea what AG has been saying.

I did, however, notice Top Gun telling heinous lies about me.

What specifically dude? I always thought you were a good sport

Welcome back btw


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C'mon 'Citeh'

Rather lively!

I doubt it will end 2-0.

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Ornstein has spoken and it’s not good.

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I’m not sure that stands for much though.

Until they pull the trigger they have to say the opposite till the bitter end.

If they aren’t careful it will go to a place where the greatest hits come out from the crowd

“You don’t know what your doing”

“Your not fit to wear the shirt”

“Sacked in the morning “


Etc etc .... then planes and banners and stuff.

Not sure they can just put blinkers on and deny it’s happening as we fall down the table


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Not sure they can just put blinkers on and deny it’s happening as we fall down the table

They 've done it before.

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Where is my Xanax? I'm having anxiety driven thoughts of Liverpool going unbeaten, 100+ points and sweeping all domestic trophies.

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Our top 2 sides could easily replicate their league positions in any league in the world. Barca would be hard pressed to beat either. May even shade Liverpool as better.

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TOP GUN wrote:
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I’m not sure that stands for much though.

Until they pull the trigger they have to say the opposite till the bitter end.

If they aren’t careful it will go to a place where the greatest hits come out from the crowd

“You don’t know what your doing”

“Your not fit to wear the shirt”

“Sacked in the morning “


Etc etc .... then planes and banners and stuff.

Not sure they can just put blinkers on and deny it’s happening as we fall down the table

There was always the feeling that there was still a level of respect for Wenger in the stadium which is why it never got too nasty towards him within the stadium, despite threatening to do so. Emery won’t get the same courtesy you feel. We are only a couple of further bad homes games away from the crowd venting.

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It gets worse than that. I’ve been told by a source I trust that Kroenke thinks the club owes him £120m which he loaned it to fund the purchase of players, and he wants it back.



Sadly, that sounds very believable, Bernard.


Sounds unlikely to me, for starters we only spent around £50M this summer, the rest was set as future payments so would come out over the next 2 or 3 seasons, I would imagine we had enough cash reserves to spend £50M given that we had over £100M in the last accounts before KSE got their filthy hands on 100% shares.

Next summer is a different story though, stuck in the EL again or out of Europe completely, I doubt we'll have any transfer budget, it will be truly "sell to buy" time, so you can say goodbye to Aubameyang and Lacazette, then we will be in another "project youth" phase again not as a plan of any sort but just because we have no other choice.

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Typically 3-1 down away at Anfield, you would assume the game is dead and buried, but not if its this City squad.

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Sadly, that sounds very believable, Bernard.


Sounds unlikely to me, for starters we only spent around £50M this summer, the rest was set as future payments so would come out over the next 2 or 3 seasons, I would imagine we had enough cash reserves to spend £50M given that we had over £100M in the last accounts before KSE got their filthy hands on 100% shares.

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I’m with you. Also doesn’t ffp prohibit this? I thought an owner can’t just loan their club’s millions anymore and the only way they could get round it would be over inflated sponsorship these days


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I think back to two of the best performances under Emery, Man U at home and Chelsea at home. The press and intensity was there from the first minute, we swarmed all over both of them and I’m pretty sure we got early goals in each.
Why hasn’t emery been able to reproduce that type of intensity, he’ll even if it didn’t end up in early goals or us even winning games, I just want to see the intensity in our game!


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