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Post #323841  Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:29 pm 
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Worst start to a season since 82-83 season. How is emery still in a job?


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Post #323842  Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:30 pm 
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Unai’s interview explaining the defeat

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Post #323843  Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:53 pm 
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This from Stan 3 years ago.

Kroenke: I didn't buy Arsenal stake to win trophies.

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Gidday G7 ......The percentage of fans wanting Emery to stay at the club far outnumbers the fans wanting him to be sacked

...... but they all support teams other than Arsenal . :icon_mrgreen1:


Whilst I’d hate for us to become another sacking every season club, I really want Emery out now. There have been no discernible improvements on the field, and it matters not what good work is going on behind the scenes; what matters is on pitch performance.

And we’re playing like a team with no belief, no real plan, no faith and no hope.

Emery out.

Not wrong John ....... worst I've seen us play and that's saying something I witnessed our struggles in 73 / 74 when we were nearly relegated

Arriving with all his supposed comprehensive dossiers on players and tactics this charleton hasn't got a clue ... I wanted Leicester to beat us if it meant the exit of this prat .

Only thing I give him points for .... his manful attempts to master English


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It's all a bit like the end of Wenger's reign......there's not a lot you can say that hasn't already been said, a thousand times.

Arsenal have won 87 points in their 50 Premier League games under Unai Emery (W25 D12 L13) - one fewer than they managed in their final 50 under Arsene Wenger (W27 D7 L16).


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I agree with Top Gun, if it was him who implied it, that Lacazette and Aubameyang could well be sold next summer if they have not renewed their contracts. Martinelli will obviously come into the first team, but we will still need to buy someone up front.

What I find interesting about our defence is that whoever plays in the centre, it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. We’re crap at defending whoever the centre backs are. The main options for the first team are in alphabetical order Chambers, Holding, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis. I realise none of them are top level and if the lad from Saint Ettiene is as good as he’s supposed to be, we still need a top level signing to play alongside him.

But in the meantime, so this season, I don’t see why two of Chambers, Holding, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis can’t be organised into a credible central defence. If Emery, or Ljungberg, can’t do it, why not? Oh for a return to the days of Koscielny and Mertesacker, let alone Campbell, Adams or Keown.


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We simply didn't spend on our defense. I like Holding personally as well as Luuz. However, one is too inexperienced and the other past it.

Mustafi? The fact he is still wearing an Arsenal shirt speaks volumes.

Our best defender isnt even at the club.

Give Emeey a quality central defense and one or two others and then let's see.

He will likely be long hone before that comes to fruition but you can't give a manager this defense and tell him it's his fault we are leaking goals.

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We are working with a weak central defense that is not his fault.


You remind me of a kid we had in kindergarten who continually pulled his own pants off in an attempt to get attention .

He purchased our two first choice central defenders and a left back and coaches the side

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This from Stan 3 years ago.

Kroenke: I didn't buy Arsenal stake to win trophies.

So he’s a man who keeps to his word.


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I agree with Top Gun, if it was him who implied it, that Lacazette and Aubameyang could well be sold next summer if they have not renewed their contracts. Martinelli will obviously come into the first team, but we will still need to buy someone up front.

What I find interesting about our defence is that whoever plays in the centre, it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. We’re crap at defending whoever the centre backs are. The main options for the first team are in alphabetical order Chambers, Holding, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis. I realise none of them are top draw and if the lad from Saint Ettiene is as good as he’s supposed to be, we still need a top draw signing.

But in the meantime, so this season, I don’t see why two of Chambers, Holding, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis can’t be organised into a credible central defence. If Emery, or Ljungberg, can’t do it, why not? Oh for a return to the days of Koscielny and Mertesacker, let alone Campbell, Adams or Keown.


If our midfield can’t hold onto the ball for more than 5 passes I’m not sure any combination of players can survive wave after wave of opposing attacks.

The midfield is leaving the defence on a hiding to nothing by not holding onto the ball and we have lost every single midfield battle this year.

I think a better manager gets more from those defenders. You need to sign some superhuman for us to rectify our defence and he would still be managed by Unai *%^@*** Emery


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Bernard wrote:
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This from Stan 3 years ago.

Kroenke: I didn't buy Arsenal stake to win trophies.

So he’s a man who keeps to his word.

So far from what I've witnessed since he took full control.
Josh said this in July 2019.

The son of Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke admitted that the club are not in the position to compete for trophies this season amid growing unrest among the team's supporters worldwide, but added that silverware is still ultimately the goal in the very near future.


'very near future'. Considering how their US clubs are so lacking in major trophies over time, expect a long wait for the Arsenal. Aside from Stan's LA Rams that is.

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I am a big fan of Guendouzi but today I thought it was his worst game in an Arsenal shirt. I thought he looked off the pace, slow in possession and just not really up for it, which is unusual for him.

Leicester looked a far better side and we looked like the relegation-threatened underdogs who came to park the bus and hoped to get a couple of chances on the break.


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Well that wasn’t too bad. No 8 or 6 in the scoreline. No use sacking him unless we have someone lined up. Don’t think Freddie is up to it personally. Been a long time since I wished for an international break.

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I am a big fan of Guendouzi but today I thought it was his worst game in an Arsenal shirt. I thought he looked off the pace, slow in possession and just not really up for it, which is unusual for him.

Leicester looked a far better side and we looked like the relegation-threatened underdogs who came to park the bus and hoped to get a couple of chances on the break.

We are doing a Fabergas on him. Overplaying a young player.

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Apparently after 12 games we have a negative goal difference.


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socrates wrote:
Apparently after 12 games we have a negative goal difference.

Arsenal are sixth and Tottenham are twelfth. They’re even worse than us. As a born and bred North Londoner, I wonder how Barnet are doing? If they’re having a good season, might this be one of the few times Barnet have the happiest fans in North London?


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I am a big fan of Guendouzi but today I thought it was his worst game in an Arsenal shirt. I thought he looked off the pace, slow in possession and just not really up for it, which is unusual for him.



He’s a fine prospect but is dealing with the problem of over expectation and our non existent midfield.

He should be phased in gradually and sparingly to maintain his confidence but frankly there are problems literally all over the place.


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Bernard wrote:
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Apparently after 12 games we have a negative goal difference.

Arsenal are sixth and Tottenham are twelfth. They’re even worse than us. As a born and bred North Londoner, I wonder how Barnet are doing? If they’re having a good season, might this be one of the few times Barnet have the happiest fans in North London?

They aren’t

They are doing terribly. Mid table in the national league and their chairman has effectively given up competing.


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It's not all doom and gloom. I've cancelled my Optus subscription and saved $15 per month.


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Post #323860  Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:18 pm 
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The son of Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke admitted that the club are not in the position to compete for trophies this season amid growing unrest among the team's supporters worldwide, but added that silverware is still ultimately the goal in the very near future.


'very near future'. Considering how their US clubs are so lacking in major trophies over time, expect a long wait for the Arsenal. Aside from Stan's LA Rams that is.


Yep we're FUBAR.

Luis Enrique incoming because he's Raul's mate, after he's f*cked things up we'll probably be totally 'broke' and scratching around for Neil Warnock or Steve Bruce who will have been sacked by Newcastle by then.

Leave the ground empty for pity's sake!.

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I agree with Top Gun, if it was him who implied it, that Lacazette and Aubameyang could well be sold next summer if they have not renewed their contracts. Martinelli will obviously come into the first team, but we will still need to buy someone up front.

What I find interesting about our defence is that whoever plays in the centre, it doesn’t make a blind bit of difference. We’re crap at defending whoever the centre backs are. The main options for the first team are in alphabetical order Chambers, Holding, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis. I realise none of them are top draw and if the lad from Saint Ettiene is as good as he’s supposed to be, we still need a top draw signing.

But in the meantime, so this season, I don’t see why two of Chambers, Holding, Luiz, Mustafi and Sokratis can’t be organised into a credible central defence. If Emery, or Ljungberg, can’t do it, why not? Oh for a return to the days of Koscielny and Mertesacker, let alone Campbell, Adams or Keown.

If our midfield can’t hold onto the ball for more than 5 passes I’m not sure any combination of players can survive wave after wave of opposing attacks.

The midfield is leaving the defence on a hiding to nothing by not holding onto the ball and we have lost every single midfield battle this year.

I think a better manager gets more from those defenders. You need to sign some superhuman for us to rectify our defence and he would still be managed by Unai *%^@*** Emery

I don’t disagree with you about the midfield underperforming, but the midfielders we currently have to choose from are, again in alphabetical order, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles, Özil, Torreira, Willock and Xhaka. I realise what you think of Xhaka, but if that mob can’t make up an effective midfield then questions should be asked why not? There is skill, creativity, passing ability, drive, work rate and tackling ability amongst them. What the hell is Emery doing, and I’d ask the same of Ljungberg?


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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Arsenal are sixth and Tottenham are twelfth. They’re even worse than us. As a born and bred North Londoner, I wonder how Barnet are doing? If they’re having a good season, might this be one of the few times Barnet have the happiest fans in North London?

They aren’t

They are doing terribly. Mid table in the national league and their chairman has effectively given up competing.

Thanks, I didn’t know that.


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If our midfield can’t hold onto the ball for more than 5 passes I’m not sure any combination of players can survive wave after wave of opposing attacks.

The midfield is leaving the defence on a hiding to nothing by not holding onto the ball and we have lost every single midfield battle this year.

I think a better manager gets more from those defenders. You need to sign some superhuman for us to rectify our defence and he would still be managed by Unai *%^@*** Emery

I don’t disagree with you about the midfield underperforming, but the midfielders we currently have to choose from are, again in alphabetical order, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles, Özil, Torreira, Willock and Xhaka. I realise what you think of Xhaka, but if that mob can’t make up an effective midfield then questions should be asked why not? There is skill, creativity, passing ability, drive, work rate and tackling ability amongst them. What the hell is Emery doing, and I’d ask the same of Ljungberg?


I’m not the biggest fans of Xhaka and Ceballos but I agree it’s illogical we can’t find a compatible structure.


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While the players trot off to an international break I'll be off on a little Arsenal hiatus as well. Hopefully it doesn't need to last as long as the Wenger one but I won't be wasting any more time watching Emery's mismanagement. Emery out. :12hello-bye:


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...He purchased our two first choice central defenders and a left back and coaches the side ...... so whose fault could it be :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: ....Kamela Harris , Donald Trump , Bill Parcells , Tom Landry , Woody Allen
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The son of Arsenal owner Stan Kroenke admitted that the club are not in the position to compete for trophies this season amid growing unrest among the team's supporters worldwide, but added that silverware is still ultimately the goal in the very near future.


'very near future'. Considering how their US clubs are so lacking in major trophies over time, expect a long wait for the Arsenal. Aside from Stan's LA Rams that is.


Yep we're FUBAR.

Luis Enrique incoming because he's Raul's mate, after he's f*cked things up we'll probably be totally 'broke' and scratching around for Neil Warnock or Steve Bruce who will have been sacked by Newcastle by then.

Leave the ground empty for pity's sake!.

Then Raul knows of Enrique's arrogance and financial demands. Those demands were why he wasn't hired after AW left. Unless he's changed and is aware that Silent Stan budgets are limited.

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I still think he needs a better defense to see what he can do. We are working with a weak central defense that is not his fault. I'd like him to get the rest of the season still. Not a midseason sacking unless we go 'Moyes at Man Utd' type of results


Continually failing and yet continuing to play out of our area with this defense, is evidence enough that he does not have the tactical nous to adjust. Or has he coached the players right?

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Didn't Arsenal remove a lot of the powers Wenger once had such as being his own sporting director? If its not that way, let me know, but I seem to recall that being said about the changes. If so, Emery had little or no say in who we bought.
Luiz surely is not his first choice, neither is having Mustafi still there. Also, in having to rely on Holding.

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Too much to ask of any manager to organize that lot (add Chambers who is said to be better in midfield) against PL sides and expect to keep clean sheets.

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Too much to ask of any manager to organize that lot (add Chambers who is said to be better in midfield) against PL sides and expect to keep clean sheets.


Total nonsense. There’s a decent keeper in the sticks now and 2 good full backs. This isn’t the same squad Emery inherited.

The notion another manager couldn’t set us up to play less open is nonsense.

I’ve just read that Emery was due to take the Real Sociedad job before Gazidis talked to him. That’s about his level really, disastrous appointment


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Arsenal 'contact' former Barcelona and Spain boss Luis Enrique to replace Unai Emery

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... nai-emery/

Well Enrique would be a nice change. Then we can see how a Spanish manager performs for us. :icon_mrgreen:


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Bizarrely we’ve taken 1 more point in our last3 prem games than we did in the corresponding fixtures last season.

God we are awful


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Too much to ask of any manager to organize that lot (add Chambers who is said to be better in midfield) against PL sides and expect to keep clean sheets.


Total nonsense. There’s a decent keeper in the sticks now and 2 good full backs. This isn’t the same squad

And even if it was the same squad and he’d only had a summer working with them, it was a coaching open goal to improve the team defensively and off the ball. We had reached laughing stock in that respect under wenger, emery has made it worse


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Just watched MOTD highlights and the pundits pointed out how arsenal got over run in the full back areas in 2v1s all day long. As soon as I saw we were playing 3 at the back I knew this would happen and posted that it would on here. If we wanted to play 3 at the back, what was the plan to contain the wide areas? If I can tell this is going to happen before the game then what on earth is emery working on all week!


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If our midfield can’t hold onto the ball for more than 5 passes I’m not sure any combination of players can survive wave after wave of opposing attacks.
The midfield is leaving the defence on a hiding to nothing by not holding onto the ball and we have lost every single midfield battle this year.

I think a better manager gets more from those defenders. You need to sign some superhuman for us to rectify our defence and he would still be managed by Unai *%^@*** Emery

I don’t disagree with you about the midfield underperforming, but the midfielders we currently have to choose from are, again in alphabetical order, Ceballos, Guendouzi, Maitland-Niles, Özil, Torreira, Willock and Xhaka. I realise what you think of Xhaka, but if that mob can’t make up an effective midfield then questions should be asked why not? There is skill, creativity, passing ability, drive, work rate and tackling ability amongst them. What the hell is Emery doing, and I’d ask the same of Ljungberg?

I think the midfield is the root of the problem, especially if we play Özil. We aren't able to create enough going forward, the defense is not adequately shielded, and we are awful off the ball.

Its not the quality of our midfielders, but just that the constant changes in selection and formation mean that there is no cohesion and players are utterly confused about their roles. Torriera plus Guendouzi playing their natural games plus one other would be fine if given a chance to develop an understanding.

We just need a coach who has a clue about what will work in the Prem and is capable of making up his mind above a formation and a first 11.

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There have been time's when things have gone very wrong for Arsenal but you cant help but stare and wonder how bad its going to get, what's going to happen, who's to blame etc etc. But now i'm reaching the point where we can all see it, its all been said, and now i'm just so thoroughly bored by it all.


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We simply didn't spend on our defense. I like Holding personally as well as Luuz. However, one is too inexperienced and the other past it.

Mustafi? The fact he is still wearing an Arsenal shirt speaks volumes.

Our best defender isnt even at the club.

Give Emeey a quality central defense and one or two others and then let's see.

He will likely be long hone before that comes to fruition but you can't give a manager this defense and tell him it's his fault we are leaking goals.

Yeah its not his fault. Give him a quality central defense and a brain transplant and then let's see.

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Dixon spoke about midfield being a huge problem. He said if you put the famous back 5 (all at their peak) in this team then they would struggle simply through a lack of protection.
In contrast, put Vieira and Petit in this team and the difference would be huge.


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Arsenal 'contact' former Barcelona and Spain boss Luis Enrique to replace Unai Emery

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... nai-emery/

Well Enrique would be a nice change. Then we can see how a Spanish manager performs for us. :icon_mrgreen:

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Never thought Terry Neill would relinquish his place as the worst Arsenal manager of my lifetime.

Actually the only good thing about Emery is he seems to have reunited the fanbase to some extent.


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