We may not have reached the 'Emery Out!' stage but we are now definitely in the 'we are increasingly losing confidence in him' stage.
I completely acknowledge the club had a huge job to restructure itself after Wenger left. However football wise I always thought (perhaps naively) that adding some defensive structure to the team and being a little more pragmatic would result in a significant improvement.
Unfortunately, our defending is no better and the introduction of flexible tactics isn't working as well as we hoped. Of course there is still time for the team to gel and improve but I am increasingly aware that the reservoir of patience for Emery is starting to leak away.

Looking forward to another spirited display from the younger players on Thursday.

Johnson is reneging on the commitments the UK already made with Europe (and therefore with ROI) under Theresa May and actively pursuing objectives that seem on the outside to be designed to bring about a "no deal" scenario. Either that, or they are still hoping the other countries in the EU will throw Ireland under the bus in order to avoid no deal - something which currently seems very unlikely to happen.

Another eloquently classic contribution from the modern NZ iteration of Shakespeare.

I agree with you Pete, for what it’s worth. At the very least he should be busting a gut to get more involved, and I don’t even see that happening at the moment. He was an absolute passenger last night; drop him and start Saka and Willock and let’s see how that goes.

It’s a total and utter mess; but an absolutely deliberate one. The money men are creaming their pants and making millions out of everyone else’s misery.

And I still haven’t heard one practical benefit for leaving; not one practical thing that will change on Nov 1st to my and society’s betterment. It’s history’s biggest con, and the UK population, whether leave or remain, are the unwitting victims.

Btw the Arcuri comments?

Cheers Kiwi, I don’t get called a modern young spunk bubble very often these days

I wouldn't be surprised if we did just that. It wouldn't cost us much in compensation. Its clearly not working. I think he he is a very conservative manager who doesn't trust creative midfielders. He dropped both Özil and Ramsey last season when we were crying out for some guile. This season Özil is still out in the cold and Ceballos is becoming more peripheral already. The last 15 minutes of last night's game were depressing. We basically played for the draw against the weakest Man Utd team we have faced in decades.

He is isolated. Emery's favourite attacking tactic is to get the ball to the overlapping fullback. Get Özil or Ceballos on the ball in midfield to play through balls for Pépé not bloody kolasinac galloping to the end line.

Who would you replace him with, Dec. That's my only issue.

Allegri would be the obvious candidate

Mourinho would be suggested but he would be a disaster

Rodgers maybe

Pochettino

Hi dec.

Isolation doesn’t account for that shot that cleared the stand, or that underhit pass when Saka could have been away on goal though.

I agree he needs more through balls; that appeared to be his strength in France.

The tactics are puzzling, and makes you wonder why he was bought unless Emery is indeed a caretaker. (Vieira situation?) But surely if you’re a big player, you get yourself involved and start doing things that may, or may not, fit the strategy. If it works, who’d have a go?

As it is, he’s allowing people like me (who know very little about the tictacs of the modern game; I’m just one level up from AG, that’s how bad I am) to add ??????s after his name.

If we have Lacazette and the attackers are healthy, I think we can make due without Aubameyang if we are playing clubs below the top 6. I even think its possibly to decently against any club outside City or Liverpool with Aubameyang out if we have Lacazette and the other attackers. Just like how Tottenham were able to compete when Kane was injured. Although admittedly, they have some decent other attackers. We do as well.

Giggs with some interesting views
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/01/ryan-gig ... -10840733/

Interesting, Kevin Campbell, reminisces about the players being drunk beating Man Utd 3-1 in 1991 when Forest had beaten Liverpool earlier to win us the title.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... t-20381987

As TG says, Allegri is the obvious one. I wouldn't mind someone like Eddie Howe. He has a definite style of play and knows the league inside out.

Rogers could fit too. He's a very good coach but is dodgy in the transfer market, a weakness that would be well covered by Arsenal's set-up.

I hate to say it, but I'd say there are loads of coaches who would do a better job than Emery.

Hi John

He scored a load of goals last season so I reckon the finishing is down to confidence and needing to find his form in the PL. He could definitely work harder. There have been glimpses though. He had Liverpool worried.

As for our tactics I haven't a clue what Emery is trying to do. Constantly chopping and changing and no recognisable style of play.

Fingers crossed he finds form soon.

I wasn't particularly excited by Emery's appointment, feeling there were better men for Arsenal, but even as a sceptic it does seem a little early to be flying the airplanes. We qualified for Europe and made the Europa final last season, which was more than most expected. We are 4th in the league and still in all cups so far. Bar something catastrophic I'd give him the rest of this campaign. If it is two years, no trophy or ECL placing, then fair enough, adios amigo.

For new managers I wouldn’t mind us going for an up and coming young coach with fresh ideas. I think Nagelsmann at Leipzig is one to watch

Gnabry looks useful

I wish we could have hung on to hom somehow.

Gnabry Hat-trick
Spurs 2-5 Bayern

Keep up Rich, 7-2 and Gnabry has 4

The planets are aligning for a move for Poch to Man Utd.
Tottenham fans are starting to look at him the same we looked at Wenger at the end and how some of you are at Emery..lol

Man Utd will see not a failed manager but the best manager Tottengam has had for decades and took a club from good but not great into a perennial CL club and above both Chelsea and Arsenal.

There are no words to do it justice.....hilarious


Only 6 goals from glory

A masterclass from Gnabry and Lewandowski tonight.

Reminded me of the drubbings we got at the hands of Bayern.

A stark reminder, though, of just how far we have fallen behind the top CL teams.

Bayern looked fitter, sharper, stronger and quicker than Tottenham and no doubt they would have given us a similar thrashing.

Norhing is agreed until it is all agreed. It was not ratified by Parliament so can only be described as Theresa's rantings. It was an awful agreement supported by more reainers than leavers Wothless cant.

Nah, he couldn't get in West Brom's team, not good enough according to Tony Pulis.

Watched the last 25 mins of the Spurs game. Yep they surrendered at the end. Bayern were denied an absolute nail on penalty & I have no understanding how VAR did not overturn it.

I can’t allow you to get away with your comments about this alleged victim of a crime. The question is not about her background but as to whether the leader of your country committed a criminal offence. Your attitude is a disgrace. What if it was your daughter or sister - would that be okay.

Some of the finishing of Bayern today was so clinical....just stunning, hitting the corners, hard and true and from distance as well.

Great to see some classic wing play and some very simple direct balls over the top to a winger making a well timed run. Football can be very simple sometimes. Wish we’d use this tactic more. Hang on the shoulder of the last defender and look for the ball over the top

My guess unless they win a trophy and my guess is either the FA Cup, Europa or CL, he is gone. I don't even think the league cup is good enough anymore.
My guess is making the CL is no longer good enough. If he doesn't make the CL he is gone. The only thing that may save a non top 4 finish is if he wins the FA cup or a European cup...maybe the league cup...maybe but I have my doubts on that.
If we finish ahead of him in the top 4 and no trophy that may do him in. Chelsea finishing ahead of them will not sit well but definitely if we finish ahead of them it will be the nail in the coffin.
Drubbings like this will only sharpen the knives that are already out. And it won't be lost on the fans that a former Arsenal player scored a hattrick on them.

Poch's days are numbered and I think if/when he goes, Tottenham will sink back down the table ....where they belong.

The Real Madrid result is even more shocking.

We lost 1-5 against Bayern twice, home and away in the 2016/17 season which was a year before our worst season under Wenger. We did not concede seven against Bayern, and Tottenham’s 2-7 loss against them tonight was at their home ground.

However much people are enjoying having a moan about Emery, we are better under him now than we were then. I think there’s every doubt we’d concede seven at home to Bayern because we have improved in my view.

I was stunned although not that surprised when I read the negativity here following the draw at Old Trafford. I felt we played okay. They are well behind the levels they attained under Ferguson, but Manchester United away is never going to be an easy three points. Am I right in thinking they beat Chelsea 4-0 at Old Trafford this season?

I believe we were just about the better team for a match that with home advantage Manchester United started the game as clear favourites (according to Talksport). As a rule bookmakers make so much money because their odds reflect the most likely outcomes, while many gamblers risk their money on longer odds bets that are less likely to occur. I reckon it was over optimistic to demand Arsenal winning last night and a draw wasn’t a bad result. Moreover, deserving to win (Saka, who otherwise played well, missed a sitter to get the three points), implies Arsenal performed above expectations according to bookmaker’s (think it was Paddy Power) odds.

In short, I thought some people overreacted and moaned unjustifiably. We’re in fourth place after seven games, three of which were against Liverpool, Manchester United (both away as well) and Tottenham (at home). I see that as a pretty solid start in a run of seven games that included three against tough opponents.

Poch will be at RM or United by the end of the season, that is odds-on now. Would prefer RM as he's a decent manager and I think at United with serious money, plus I wouldn't be surprised if he nicked Eriksen (and Kane!) they'll be far more likely to be better than us again.

Unforunately I think United is more likely..

I know its The Sun but....thoughts? If he does, I really, really hope he does well and not tarnish his legacy.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... -ac-milan/
ONE IN A MIL Arsenal icon Arsene Wenger set for sensational return to management with AC Milan to link up with pal Ivan Gazidis

I see more United than RM going for Poch. RM will look for a more iconic, famous manager. It's usually their style.
I think you are right that he could do very well at Man Utd. He's put together a great squad with limited funds. Imagine what he'd do with their resources? But something tells me Man Utd is such a mess, its going to be like an oil tanker turning in the ocean. It will take a while to turn that around. Man Utd fans I know say the manager also gets a lot of interference from the suits in the top offices. Lots of meddling. Man Utd boards are more upset at certain executives than OGS.

Liverpool has the right kind of American owner. They 1. respected the traditions at Liverpool. 2. Spent money 3. Hired the best people possible to manage an run the club and left them alone.

The Glazers as it turns out, are not as being criticized as they were when they first bought the club. Largely in part because they kept out of the day to day and opened their wallets.

Everyone should know Bayern are my footballing ‘bit on the side’; very firmly my second team. I might have mentioned before that as a result I keep an eye on Bayern fans’ forums and chat rooms (or those that can be translated to English anyway) to keep up to date with the club and views of their supporters.

Many of their fans absolutely hate Kovac, almost to the point of devoting their lives to moaning about him what seems like all day everyday. I know Tottenham and Chelsea fans and have been told about their clubs’ forums and I’ve come to the conclusion that moaning about managers and head coaches is what modern football fans generally do these days. Boy is Pochettino being moaned about this season. With club legends it takes a bit longer so Lampard is still being treated quite lightly; but my guess is it won’t be too long before they are willing to turn on him, depending on Chelsea’s performances on the pitch. My guess is that’s what is happening with OGS on Manchester United chat rooms.

So I’m not surprised Arsenal fans are turning against Emery so soon. He wasn’t a club legend either. But I’m not as willing to do it myself yet. I think he has made good progress. Our playing squad is stronger now (I have not given up on Pépé as I think he is still adjusting to Premier League football), we generally get the ball forward more quickly (which I’m happy about), and I think team spirit has improved as shown by the fight back against Villa.

Everything isn’t perfect but I feel the criticism of Emery has been over the top. But it represents a trend amongst fans of many clubs these days, and I suspect it’s a reflection of modern society in this internet age where so many use social media sites. I honestly believe society is less patient now with instant satisfaction increasingly in demand. Some may think that’s a good thing while others will consider it a bad thing. But from where I’m sitting, it is happening and I wonder if the way Arsenal fans have turned against Emery is simply little more than a small part of a modern trend?

Nice result Bayern

Your mixing up the stories with Arcuri and the journalist. Arcuri wasn’t the victim of crime (but maybe the beneficiary of one !)

However if it allows you to stay on your high horse then please simply crack on!