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Post #321121  Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:57 pm 
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Got bored with looking up more scathing reports and mused on what could be the best formation to get the required balance.

Was thinking a 4-2-1-3 seems to be the closest fit for the players we have.

but a 4-2-3-1 would provide more options to get out of the back and more cover in midfield.

Maybe a shift between the 2 depending on what's happening on the pitch as the adjustment doesn't require wholesale positional change.

About the best and most positive I can think of at the moment. :)


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Post #321122  Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:48 pm 
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Not sure what we are all expecting this season at this point.

How about feeling at least reasonably confident of hanging on to a two goal lead against the bottom club in the division?

Even the best teams throw away leads. The problem is it is no longer a surprise when we do.

And the 'team in transition' excuse is wearing very thin too.

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Post #321123  Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:58 pm 
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Watford was bound to score at least once. I don't think we can say with much confidence we can keep a clean sheet against at least 3/4 of the clubs in the league at a bare minimum. That's the state of things, its a known defect we have and until that is sorted, we will just have to live with that fact.

That's a very strange defense!

I am not calling for Emery to be sacked. I'm calling for him to remove his head from his culo and figure out how to get clean sheets away from home.

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Post #321124  Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:34 pm 
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Headline: arsenal players fed up and confused by Emery’s repetitive training

If emery keeps getting us to train at the same thing we should see some improvement in whatever that thing is. Or are the players unable, unwilling to play how emery wants. Or is the way emery wants us to play completely flawed.
Or all of the above!


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Post #321125  Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:51 pm 
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I read some people saying that they view emery as the manager simply tasked with keeping the seat warm whilst we undergo a complete change in playing staff and restructure of the club.
2 of the 3 men who hired emery are no longer at the club. It seems that 90% if transfer business has been taken away from the manager.


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Post #321126  Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:10 pm 
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I hope we retain Emery and involve him in the transfers. It seems crazy to me when you have clubs with a sporting director that gets players with no input from the manager. A few American professional teams do that. We call that position "General Manager".

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Post #321127  Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:40 pm 
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Rich wrote:
I read some people saying that they view emery as the manager simply tasked with keeping the seat warm whilst we undergo a complete change in playing staff and restructure of the club.
2 of the 3 men who hired emery are no longer at the club. It seems that 90% if transfer business has been taken away from the manager.

Hi Rich, Gazidis is obviously one of the men who hired him. Who is the other one who has left? It’s probably me forgetting who else was in the hierarchy at the time because I very much doubt Mislintat was involved in the appointment. This stuff about Emery keeping the seat warm while the overhaul in playing staff and restructuring takes place sounds to me a bit like ITKs who in reality are really NITKs (not in the know).

I still think the length of Emery’s time in post will be driven by whether Arsenal qualify for next season’s Champions League. If we do, whether through a top four place or winning the Europa League, I reckon he’ll keep his job for 2020/21. If we don’t, I believe Emery will get his P45 and be replaced. I’ll be surprised if that single issue isn’t by far the most decisive factor,


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I read some people saying that they view emery as the manager simply tasked with keeping the seat warm whilst we undergo a complete change in playing staff and restructure of the club.
2 of the 3 men who hired emery are no longer at the club. It seems that 90% if transfer business has been taken away from the manager.

Hi Rich, Gazidis is obviously one of the men who hired him. Who is the other one who has left? It’s probably me forgetting who else was in the hierarchy at the time because I very much doubt Mislintat was involved in the appointment. This stuff about Emery keeping the seat warm while the overhaul in playing staff and restructuring takes place sounds to me a bit like ITKs who in reality are really NITKs (not in the know).

I still think the length of Emery’s time in post will be driven by whether Arsenal qualify for next season’s Champions League. If we do, whether through a top four place or winning the Europa League, I reckon he’ll keep his job for 2020/21. If we don’t, I believe Emery will get his P45 and be replaced. I’ll be surprised if that single issue isn’t by far the most decisive factor,

It was Mislantat, Bernard out of the 3. Raul is only one left from that panel. Raul wanted Luis Enrique, not Emery, but ultimately it was Ivan' G's decision as noted from this quote...

"Unai has an outstanding track record of success throughout his career, has developed some of the best young talent in Europe and plays an exciting, progressive style of football that fits Arsenal perfectly," Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis said. "His hard-working and passionate approach and his sense of values on and off the pitch make him the ideal person to take us forward."

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Hi Rich, Gazidis is obviously one of the men who hired him. Who is the other one who has left? It’s probably me forgetting who else was in the hierarchy at the time because I very much doubt Mislintat was involved in the appointment. This stuff about Emery keeping the seat warm while the overhaul in playing staff and restructuring takes place sounds to me a bit like ITKs who in reality are really NITKs (not in the know).

I still think the length of Emery’s time in post will be driven by whether Arsenal qualify for next season’s Champions League. If we do, whether through a top four place or winning the Europa League, I reckon he’ll keep his job for 2020/21. If we don’t, I believe Emery will get his P45 and be replaced. I’ll be surprised if that single issue isn’t by far the most decisive factor,

It was Mislantat, Bernard out of the 3. Raul is only one left from that panel. Raul wanted Luis Enrique, not Emery, but ultimately it was Ivan' G's decision as noted from this quote...

"Unai has an outstanding track record of success throughout his career, has developed some of the best young talent in Europe and plays an exciting, progressive style of football that fits Arsenal perfectly," Arsenal chief executive Ivan Gazidis said. "His hard-working and passionate approach and his sense of values on and off the pitch make him the ideal person to take us forward."

Okay, I stand corrected. I had always assumed Mislintat’s job focussed on the recruitment of players, not the head coach.


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Results in CL today were pretty good. If other clubs fighting for top 4 have to stretch their squad for the group stages all the better for us

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Results in CL today were pretty good. If other clubs fighting for top 4 have to stretch their squad for the group stages all the better for us

Agreed, but we want all 4 to qualify for the KO round so they don’t drop in to the Europa League


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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
I read some people saying that they view emery as the manager simply tasked with keeping the seat warm whilst we undergo a complete change in playing staff and restructure of the club.
2 of the 3 men who hired emery are no longer at the club. It seems that 90% if transfer business has been taken away from the manager.

Hi Rich, Gazidis is obviously one of the men who hired him. Who is the other one who has left? It’s probably me forgetting who else was in the hierarchy at the time because I very much doubt Mislintat was involved in the appointment. This stuff about Emery keeping the seat warm while the overhaul in playing staff and restructuring takes place sounds to me a bit like ITKs who in reality are really NITKs (not in the know).

I still think the length of Emery’s time in post will be driven by whether Arsenal qualify for next season’s Champions League. If we do, whether through a top four place or winning the Europa League, I reckon he’ll keep his job for 2020/21. If we don’t, I believe Emery will get his P45 and be replaced. I’ll be surprised if that single issue isn’t by far the most decisive factor,

Hi Bernard, I don’t know but I suspect the ‘keeping the seat warm’ wasn’t so much that he was appointed to do that but more that it has turned out that way....as it may have done for any manager coming in to the mess we were and the amount of player churn we needed. That is not to say that emery has helped himself here though


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Alf inge Halaand’s son is playing football for RB Salzburg, he’s 19, just scored a champions league hat trick and has 17 goals in 9 games so far this season. One to watch


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Rich wrote:
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Hi Rich, Gazidis is obviously one of the men who hired him. Who is the other one who has left? It’s probably me forgetting who else was in the hierarchy at the time because I very much doubt Mislintat was involved in the appointment. This stuff about Emery keeping the seat warm while the overhaul in playing staff and restructuring takes place sounds to me a bit like ITKs who in reality are really NITKs (not in the know).

I still think the length of Emery’s time in post will be driven by whether Arsenal qualify for next season’s Champions League. If we do, whether through a top four place or winning the Europa League, I reckon he’ll keep his job for 2020/21. If we don’t, I believe Emery will get his P45 and be replaced. I’ll be surprised if that single issue isn’t by far the most decisive factor,

Hi Bernard, I don’t know but I suspect the ‘keeping the seat warm’ wasn’t so much that he was appointed to do that but more that it has turned out that way....as it may have done for any manager coming in to the mess we were and the amount of player churn we needed. That is not to say that emery has helped himself here though

Rich, I really don’t think it has turned out that way yet. People are reacting to and dare I say jumping to conclusions too quickly after a dismal performance at Watford. A few wins and what’s being written will change, I reckon. I really don’t think it’s certain Emery will be sacked. If we qualify for the Champions League I fully expect him to still be in post next season. If we don’t, I think he’ll be gone. I see it as that simple.


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Ffs get your finger out Emery.

Dislike all the calls, okay a few calls, for Mourinho to sort us out.

If he has to go I'd rather keep it in house.


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Xhaka completely open prior to the Sokratis gift. Why couldn't Leno just throw it over the 2 Watford players? I recall that being a Lehman favourite usually to the full backs / Wingers so why on Earth can't Leno do it. Surely easier than a Goalie trying to use their feet.

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From the things I've read and the leaks from behind the scenes I have the feeling that Emery is (to use a footballing cliche) losing the dressing room.

Once that happens I think there is only one ending.

It is sad because I had high hopes when he first arrived on the scene but I think it was clear at the end of last season (even before that to be honest) that things were just not improving, if anything they were getting worse. I fear his inability to grasp the english language and the footballing vernacular in particular has not helped. That is not a criticism, by the way, it's bloody hard to learn a new language at his age.

The mixed form of rivals like MU and Chelsea may keep us in the race for top four for a while but unless Bellerin and Tierney hit the ground running or Pépé find's some worldbeating form I think it will be a slog again this season.


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I think Emery who won the Europa cup three times in a row is capable of better than this, as is this squad of players.

The best starts to the season I remember were when we we pre seasoned in Austria. Everyone would tip Arsenal to drop out of the top four and we’d start the season like the proverbial well-oiled machine and by the time the wheels fell off in Feb-March we’d already built a decent points total and had loads of momentum.

Particularly compared to that I think we’re still ridiculously unsettled. Both first choice full backs and arguably a starting or a least supporting CB are out and only now looking to slowly integrate over the next couple of months. Pépé has had no preseason with us at all. Torreria came back so late he’s not been an option. The young players are clearly going to need a lot of support and time and even if they do start well like Willock we know from experience that tends to dry up and they shouldn’t be first choice.

It’s as far away from a fairly settled team with a settled philosophy having a smooth preseason as you could get.

My prediction was that we’d be a bit ropey at points but we’d muddle through at just below par (so on course for 5th/6th I suppose) until Christmas, then after the new year when Pépé’s settled, Holding Bellerin and Tierney have had a few games and Emery decides what we’re doing and we’ve given the young players some Europa experience we’d start to motor as a team. But it’d be too late to be anywhere near the top two and we’d be fourth maybe third depending on how much Chelsea Utd and Spurs struggle. My hope was third.

What I didn’t count on was this interminable *%^@ up and getting the balance of the team and tactics SO badly wrong. You can cope with muddling along and it’s a decent platform to improve. If it all implodes and recriminations start and Xhaka keeps saying we’re scared and we keep playing out from the back we’ll have no platform to kick on in Jan. If the club as a whole (looking at Edu and Sanlehi maybe) can keep their heads we should still make top four.

It feels like the equivalent of a boxer who if he can just survive the first round could go on to win on points.

Also you know when you hear something and you go “Yeah that feels right” Vieira to take over at the end of the season?


With regards to our preseason preparation under Wenger when we went to Austria for privacy and focus and now travel around the world pimping ourselves and our brand out via the players, we can all thank the Los Angeles Rams owner Stan Kroenke for that.

As for the 'balance" and "tactics" being wrong, its early and we have a lot of new faces and lost our captain and best defender. It's a bit early to expect a cohesive, tactical team. I think you are right in not expecting things to gel till near Xmas time.

I think 3rd is doable but as you note, its not dependent on us taking 3rd but by and large hoping Chelsea and Tottenham underperform compared to last season. That's not improving, that's hoping for those around you to underperform. Never a good strategy obviously.

Vieira, love him to death, but he's not ready for us. Lets see how he does with a far lower project like Nice. 7th place last season which isn't the worst rookie managerial season in the world, but they were 3rd at the end of the 2017 season, 8th in 2018 so a slight improvement. Obviously we all wish him the best. But we'll end up with a Lamps at Chelsea scenario if he were to take over now. He's not ready.

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..also, do we really have a legitimate shot at getting Luis Enrique? Really?

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Dislike all the calls, okay a few calls, for Mourinho to sort us out.

Not sure if I can think of a worse call. Maybe Sam Allardyce, but at least that would have the entertainment factor of watching AmericanGooner's meltdown.

Way too early to call for Emery's head, even though our play so far is worrying. I was sort of expecting our defense to continue looking shaky, we're still missing our two best full backs and with Luiz being the only addition in central defense for this season it was never going to be world class.

More worrying for me is our lack of offense. Tottenham is the only game where I can remember us putting sustained pressure on our opponent for a longer period of time, in the other games our goals seem to come from seemingly random chances or counter attacks. With the amount of attacking talent we have we should be doing better.


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Results in CL today were pretty good. If other clubs fighting for top 4 have to stretch their squad for the group stages all the better for us

Agreed, but we want all 4 to qualify for the KO round so they don’t drop in to the Europa League

True. It would be best if they qualify for the next round but really struggle to get top spot in the groups. If they have to play their best 11 a few times it can make a difference how they perform in the EPL

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Ffs get your finger out Emery.

Dislike all the calls, okay a few calls, for Mourinho to sort us out.

If he has to go I'd rather keep it in house.

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..also, do we really have a legitimate shot at getting Luis Enrique? Really?

Not when like in May 2018, he demanded a £200K war chest , as at the time, he was one being considered at first to replace AW. Stan no can do.

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Hey mate.

Can you PM me what IP address you are trying to connect with and also if you are using a VPN - particularly PIA VPN.

Eg: https://whatismyipaddress.com/

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Was thinking a 4-2-1-3 seems to be the closest fit for the players we have.

After watching the Watford game, I think the best formation for us is 4-3-4-4


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Hi Bernard, I don’t know but I suspect the ‘keeping the seat warm’ wasn’t so much that he was appointed to do that but more that it has turned out that way....as it may have done for any manager coming in to the mess we were and the amount of player churn we needed. That is not to say that emery has helped himself here though

Rich, I really don’t think it has turned out that way yet. People are reacting to and dare I say jumping to conclusions too quickly after a dismal performance at Watford. A few wins and what’s being written will change, I reckon. I really don’t think it’s certain Emery will be sacked. If we qualify for the Champions League I fully expect him to still be in post next season. If we don’t, I think he’ll be gone. I see it as that simple.

I’d agree with that assessment, his target is black and white.


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Did anyone see the Napoli defeat of Liverpool. Now that's how to play in the Prem and how to win it too.

Napoli played well but 2 big errors from Liverpool we’re punished. Robertson giving away a pen - he’s started the season slowly. And van Dijk with a poor pass to no one in his own area


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..also, do we really have a legitimate shot at getting Luis Enrique? Really?

Not when like in May 2018, he demanded a £200K war chest , as at the time, he was one being considered at first to replace AW. Stan no can do.

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It’s strange how the thing emery was lauded for when he was hired is the thing that’s possibly holding him back now.
He does intense analysis of the opposition and sets his team up to try to counter this. Now it feels like he changes the team too much and worries about the opposition more than concentrating on our strengths, even if the opposition are bottom of the league and we’re at home (Brighton at home last year with 3 defensive mids)

After years of wenger sending the same team with the same tactics no matter the opposition or occasion it was great to hear we hired a guy who did his research. The reality is we need something in between.

Pick the way to play that suits our best players, and attack. Play this way at all times and just tweak the tactics and players in accordance to the very dangerous teams. The best teams set up the same way but may attack wider, defend deeper, press or not - but by and large it is the same system.


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I love seeing Real Madrid losing and not doing well. Arrogant club. They act like they are bigger than the sport itself.

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Away from home. Not playing well. Fortunate to go 2-0 up.

Then completely lose control and provide opponents gifts as a way back into the game. Subside to 2-2.

Good to see that Tottenham have copied us this evening.

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Away from home. Not playing well. Fortunate to go 2-0 up.

Then completely lose control and provide opponents gifts as a way back into the game. Subside to 2-2.

Good to see that Tottenham have copied us this evening.

Tottenham went 0-2 up against us before drawing 2-2 as well as tonight.


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Not when like in May 2018, he demanded a £200K war chest , as at the time, he was one being considered at first to replace AW. Stan no can do.

Allegri doesn’t have a job at the moment


Allegri will probably end up at United because they will spend big money. We will get a former player to try and offset the fact we will spend FA.

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Zed wrote:
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..also, do we really have a legitimate shot at getting Luis Enrique? Really?

Not when like in May 2018, he demanded a £200K war chest , as at the time, he was one being considered at first to replace AW. Stan no can do.

I thought I read somewhere he wanted a certain amount of for transfers to consider the job and wasn't give that assurance. Don't quote me on that but I thought I read that somewhere.

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Post #321158  Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:33 am 
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Rich wrote:
Zed wrote:
Not when like in May 2018, he demanded a £200K war chest , as at the time, he was one being considered at first to replace AW. Stan no can do.

Allegri doesn’t have a job at the moment

He was on the short list before and didn't come. No reason for him to come given the circumstances have not changed.

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Post #321159  Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:36 am 
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Wilts-Gooner wrote:
Allegri will probably end up at United because they will spend big money. We will get a former player to try and offset the fact we will spend FA.

#KroenkeOUT

Yes, if only we were so lucky as to have Glazer in charge. Really well run club that.


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Post #321160  Posted: Thu Sep 19, 2019 6:38 am 
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Wilts-Gooner wrote:
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Allegri doesn’t have a job at the moment


Allegri will probably end up at United because they will spend big money. We will get a former player to try and offset the fact we will spend FA.

#KroenkeOUT


If, as I think, Lampard and OGS will fail, there will probably be openings at both clubs. Not even a chance we will get the likes of Allegri considering us.

Emery is our level right now and unlike a lot of you, I am okay with him for now. The Arsenal are liked, in part, for giving managers time. I can't believe some fans online are wanting to get rid of him after 1 season. Amazingly short sided.

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