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Post #331121  Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 7:40 pm 
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Completely agree with everyone who has said Guendouzi was the man of the match. Ceballos looked good once he came on.


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Post #331122  Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:22 pm 
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Just watched 20 mins of highlights & our recovery was full of character but we will give up goals all season with the back 4 Maybe Holding might marginally improve us and maybe Tierney will marginally improve us but we needed a CB and instead spent most of the off season arguing over a couple of million with Celtic for an injured player.

Guendouzi was really good and continues to grow. Good goals from Lacazette & Aubameyang were good but it still was 2 points dropped at home.

I probably know even less about what combinations work best for us than I did last week. Happy to get the point but not sure where we go from here.

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Post #331123  Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:32 pm 
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I don’t think Emery trusts mhikitaryan and Özil what so ever. We are still dealing with the hangover from the last regime.

There was not a single credible whisper this summer about us wanting to get rid of Özil or Mkhitaryan. The simple explanation for this is probably that Emery thinks they have a role to play in the squad. As maligned as Xhaka is, the fact that he's the captain means Emery sees him as an integral part of the team.

This is not about the old regime. This is about Emery rating the players more highly than you do, and if you really think they're that bad you have to mark it down as a flaw in his judgement.


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Post #331124  Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:34 pm 
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I think sooner or later Willock will find himself one of the first choice midfielders. He has height and strength and the running power to go box to box.

I think when we signed Torriera many were hoping he would be our Kante but I don't think he is that type of player. He's tenacious and likes to win the ball but I don't think he has the defensive discipline or positional sense of a natural DM. The last few months have shown that.

Xhaka seems a decent enough fella and I have nothing against him personally but his game is just not suited to the PL. He's technically adept with a good range of passing but he just can't get around the pitch quickly enough to cope with the speed and intensity of the PL, hence he has to resort to making numerous silly tackles and technical fouls in every game. Even the commentators remarked that they had never seen a player make so many fouls in games as Xhaka does. He's not a dirty player or particularly aggressive he is just too one paced for the PL.

As I said earlier I very much doubt we will be a serious team until we solve our CB issues.


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I think sooner or later Willock will find himself one of the first choice midfielders. He has height and strength and the running power to go box to box.

I think when we signed Torriera many were hoping he would be our Kante but I don't think he is that type of player. He's tenacious and likes to win the ball but I don't think he has the defensive discipline or positional sense of a natural DM. The last few months have shown that.

Xhaka seems a decent enough fella and I have nothing against him personally but his game is just not suited to the PL. He's technically adept with a good range of passing but he just can't get around the pitch quickly enough to cope with the speed and intensity of the PL, hence he has to resort to making numerous silly tackles and technical fouls in every game. Even the commentators remarked that they had never seen a player make so many fouls in games as Xhaka does. He's not a dirty player or particularly aggressive he is just too one paced for the PL.

As I said earlier I very much doubt we will be a serious team until we solve our CB issues.

I think Xhaka is so slow his thought process causes him to foul. The really good teams don’t give up posssession with silly fouls. The pen in this game was just such a slow reaction to a move by the other player . But he was so far behind what was happening that it looked a disaster. Is he good enough to play the position in the EPL in a team with ambitions - no. It follows that he should not be captain. The fouls are senseless and often in a dangerous position.

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Post #331126  Posted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:35 pm 
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The media kept bringing up that stat of Van Dijk not being dribbled last for 50 odd games until Pépé did him last week. I wonder how many times Xhaka is dribbled last each game?


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That 2nd half display, bar the minutes when Mkhitaryan came on, will put in more belief in this team. It was great to see them closing them down faster. The energy and drive from the team was very good. Xhaka did much better in the 2nd, albeit still being his slow self. Mkhitaryan was a waste, and hardly did anything good for the team. Why does Emery still play him? His heart is not in it, and he would never bust his gut for the team. Look at Lacazette, he wins balls you wouldn't thought he had a chance.

I agree Guendozi was MOTM for us.

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http://www.insidefutbol.com/2019/09/01/ ... an/436087/

Please, make it happen!

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gooner7 wrote:
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2019/09/01/roma-propose-specific-clause-as-part-of-loan-for-arsenals-henrikh-mkhitaryan/436087/

Please, make it happen!

Hope so too, although Roma could play him for 24 games and then not again in order to not trigger a clause.
Quite a few players leaving or potentially leaving will certainly strip a bloated squad back, and I’m sure at some point this season we’ll probably wish we had some of these players just for cover numbers wise - however if loans like this mean we can get rid of players permanently then it is worth the risk. Also, if Mkhitaryan’s role this year is mainly off the bench I think I’d prefer the unpredictability of Nelsen, Martinelli and Saka in wide positions for the final 15 minutes.

Encouraging that Raul and his team seem to be on the same page as the fans in terms of which players need to go. Lots of deadwood are moving on, Mkhitaryan, mustafi, Xhaka, Özil, Kolasinac must be next on the list


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Hazuki wrote:
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I don’t think Emery trusts mhikitaryan and Özil what so ever. We are still dealing with the hangover from the last regime.



This is not about the old regime. This is about Emery rating the players more highly than you do, and if you really think they're that bad you have to mark it down as a flaw in his judgement.


I do for Xhaka however I think the moment we get a decent offer for him he also goes too. The reason why there is a lack of interest is due to their salary’s and talent not because Emery rates them, are you kidding. He doesn’t trust Özil in the slightest

Kolasinac, Özil, mhikitaryan, Mustafi and Xhaka have to go. They are passengers in this squad and this morning there’s rumours of mhikitaryan going to Roma on loan despite us not having a replacement such as our desperation to rid ourselves


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Funny how spurs seemingly took a tough stance with two players who won’t sign new deals, Eriksen and Vertonghen....until they realised they were pretty awful without those two, then they were pushed back in to the first team for the game v us. All well and good to take the stance but by basically admitting they need them they’ve lost the power. I hope both leave on a free next year or even before the deadline tonight


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Funny how spurs seemingly took a tough stance with two players who won’t sign new deals, Eriksen and Vertonghen....until they realised they were pretty awful without those two, then they were pushed back in to the first team for the game v us. All well and good to take the stance but by basically admitting they need them they’ve lost the power. I hope both leave on a free next year or even before the deadline tonight

Surely they will hold onto them till January before selling now.

Take Erikssen out of the team and they have serious problems


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The reason why there is a lack of interest is due to their salary’s and talent not because Emery rates them, are you kidding. He doesn’t trust Özil in the slightest

But the rumours this morning shows there are interested clubs - and not bad ones. Do you seriously believe we've been desperate to offload him all summer and haven't been able to find a taker until now when all of a sudden Roma realized they needed him?

I have no problem with getting rid of Mkhitaryan. He's overpaid, but a decent squad player, and that's probably how Emery sees him as well considering how he's used him.


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Hazuki wrote:
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The reason why there is a lack of interest is due to their salary’s and talent not because Emery rates them, are you kidding. He doesn’t trust Özil in the slightest

But the rumours this morning shows there are interested clubs - and not bad ones. Do you seriously believe we've been desperate to offload him all summer and haven't been able to find a taker until now when all of a sudden Roma realized they needed him?



Yeah, it’s the last day of the transfer window and we have offered to pay some of his wages. Doesn’t sound like we are inundated with takers of mhikitaryan and Özil.

Özil is making 1.3 million a month to sit on the bench. The club must be desperate to sell it’s just theres no takers


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I don't think Mkhitaryan is anywhere near being a bad player. I just think he hasn't found himself at Arsenal. He has talent but I would def sell if the right offer came in. We're still in the squad adjustment stage. He is one of the expendable players.

Disappointing to not win the game and frustrating to see the usual mistakes undermine what was otherwise a very good performance. I also thought it was a fantastic game of football, with a brilliant atmosphere. Frustration aside I came away from the stadium feeling that nothing comes close to football for that level of excitement.

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I wish we could cut out these individual errors that lead to goals, and also the stupidly high amount of penalties we give away. I'm pretty sure that we top the league for both stats over the past 3-4 years.
If players like Xhaka haven't learnt to not dive in to tackles anywhere on the pitch, let alone in the penalty box when the striker still had no direct shot at goal then he is never going to learn. You get taught that as a 10 year old first learning football.


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I don't think Mkhitaryan is anywhere near being a bad player.


His performance yesterday suggests otherwise.

His first touch is a clearance and he couldn’t find a player for love nor money.


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Guendouzi was brilliant yesterday. His best game in an Arsenal shirt. our forwards are going to cause all sorts of problems, it was was a shame that cramp got the better of Lacazette as he just puts himself about for the duration. The quality of both goals was lovely, the second in particular. The ball from Guendouzi and the movement and finish from Aubameyang were sensational.

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In playing Xhaka, Torreira and Guendouzi in the same midfield it seemed in the first half as though all 3 were doing a similar sideways job and no-one was connecting vertically to the forwards. Too often the wide men of the 3 drift too far wide on the cover and it leaves central midfield far too exposed. Cellabos helped this in the second half and Guendouzi pushed on a lot more - he should be encouraged to do this as he has the desire to get back, Willock as well.
What will help this situation a lot is having our first choice full-backs, and natural full-backs back in the team. Very little has been made of this in the press. I saw a report that talked about 'injury ravaged spurs'....totally ignoring we have bellerin, tierney and holding still out.
Those more natural (and better) full backs will be able to squeeze higher in to midfield letting the midfield 3 sit tighter and control games better


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I don't think Mkhitaryan is anywhere near being a bad player.


His performance yesterday suggests otherwise.

His first touch is a clearance and he couldn’t find a player for love nor money.

I don't disagree about yesterday, I just think he's good but lightweight. Ozil-esque in that respect. I hope we can sell him but just don't think he's rubbish.

I'm glad he stuck on Ceballos rather than Özil yesterday. There's no way that Özil gets stuck in to the same degree as Ceballos, who can also create too.

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Yeah, it’s the last day of the transfer window and we have offered to pay some of his wages. Doesn’t sound like we are inundated with takers of mhikitaryan and Özil.

But we’ve known for a while we’re trying to get rid of Mustafi and Elneny, because there’s been signals from the club (even before Emery confirmed it). Why was there no mention of Mkhitaryan then? Mkhitaryan was probably always seen as a squad option that we could afford to lose if an offer came in, but that we weren’t in a hurry to push out the door. At least that’s what the evidence seems to suggest.


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Darren wrote:
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His performance yesterday suggests otherwise.

His first touch is a clearance and he couldn’t find a player for love nor money.


I'm glad he stuck on Ceballos rather than Özil yesterday. There's no way that Özil gets stuck in to the same degree as Ceballos, who can also create too.


One of the things that impressed me yesterday was the commitment and intensity. We competed for every ball in the second half.

I just don’t think Emery trusts Özil to play his pressing game without losing the intensity. People were moaning Mesut wasn’t brought on but I wouldn’t have played him either.

If mhikitaryan and Mustafi go today that frees up valuable space for the rebuild that’s occurring (think how many players have been moved on now) and it will be refreshing to watch Nelson and Willock get game time.


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Darren wrote:
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His performance yesterday suggests otherwise.

His first touch is a clearance and he couldn’t find a player for love nor money.

I don't disagree about yesterday, I just think he's good but lightweight. Ozil-esque in that respect. I hope we can sell him but just don't think he's rubbish.

I'm glad he stuck on Ceballos rather than Özil yesterday. There's no way that Özil gets stuck in to the same degree as Ceballos, who can also create too.

I also like Cellabos ability, confidence and accuracy in striking at goal from 25-30 yards. He had a fantastic swerving strike tipped over by Lloris, these kind of moments that force good saves from GK really get the crowd going - and an up for it Emirates crowd I'm convinced really does give the players an extra bit of something. It has been a long time since we had a decent threat from long range


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I don't think Mkhitaryan is anywhere near being a bad player. I just think he hasn't found himself at Arsenal. He has talent but I would def sell if the right offer came in. We're still in the squad adjustment stage. He is one of the expendable players.

Sums up my view of him well. At this point in time he's definitely a better player than Nelson, but since Nelson is only 19 and has that intriguing upside it's probably worth to give him the minutes at this point and see if he develops.


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Yeah, it’s the last day of the transfer window and we have offered to pay some of his wages. Doesn’t sound like we are inundated with takers of mhikitaryan and Özil.

But we’ve known for a while we’re trying to get rid of Mustafi and Elneny, because there’s been signals from the club (even before Emery confirmed it). Why was there no mention of Mkhitaryan then? Mkhitaryan was probably always seen as a squad option that we could afford to lose if an offer came in, but that we weren’t in a hurry to push out the door. At least that’s what the evidence seems to suggest.


Evidence suggest mhikitaryan is on 200 k a week and nobody wants to touch that player unless we help out pay his wages which is what the press are saying.

I reckon there’s a “sell at all cost” list that Emery and Sanelhi keep in their pockets at all times and Mhikitaryan and Özil are right at the top.


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One of the things that impressed me yesterday was the commitment and intensity. We competed for every ball in the second half.

It was the best part of our gameplan yesterday for me. I didn't understand at first why Torreira was playing in such an advanced role, but it was obvious Emery wanted us to win the ball back high up the pitch and we were successful in doing that. Tottenham always looked threatening, but I can't remember many attacks from them that weren't quick counters.


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Evidence suggest mhikitaryan is on 200 k a week and nobody wants to touch that player unless we help out pay his wages which is what the press are saying.

If the press is what we're going by, they're saying we will be paying £20k a week out of his wages. Hardly the thing to make or break a transfer or loan signing.


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Evidence suggest mhikitaryan is on 200 k a week and nobody wants to touch that player unless we help out pay his wages which is what the press are saying.

If the press is what we're going by, they're saying we will be paying £20k a week out of his wages. Hardly the thing to make or break a transfer or loan signing.


It’s the last day of the window.

He’s clearly not the priority of Barca and Madrid :laughing7:


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It’s the last day of the window.

He’s clearly not the priority of Barca and Madrid :laughing7:

Nobody is saying every club wants him. But your argument right now seems to be that nobody wants to touch him at £200k because he's so bad, but at £180k it's fine and dandy?


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It’s the last day of the window.

He’s clearly not the priority of Barca and Madrid :laughing7:

Nobody is saying every club wants him. But your argument right now seems to be that nobody wants to touch him at £200k because he's so bad, but at £180k it's fine and dandy?


Few clubs want him clearly.

As for your suggestion he was part of Emery’s thinking well... we are selling him without getting a replacement in first. Tells you all you need to know


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As for your suggestion he was part of Emery’s thinking well... we are selling him without getting a replacement in first.

My suggestion is that Emery saw him as a squad option who we could afford to lose if an offer came in but who we weren't desperate to get rid of. Emery clearly rates him higher than you, otherwise he wouldn't have used him. Could've thrown on Özil or Nelson yesterday, but chose Mkhitaryan. Or do you think he wants to get rid of Nelson too?


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As for your suggestion he was part of Emery’s thinking well... we are selling him without getting a replacement in first.

My suggestion is that Emery saw him as a squad option who we could afford to lose if an offer came in but who we weren't desperate to get rid of. Emery clearly rates him higher than you, otherwise he wouldn't have used him. Could've thrown on Özil or Nelson yesterday, but chose Mkhitaryan. Or do you think he wants to get rid of Nelson too?


No I think using him as sub was for a farewell type goodbye performance and that he didn’t trust Özil.


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No I think using him as sub was for a farewell type goodbye performance and that he didn’t trust Özil.

In a north London derby, with Tottenham in the lead and us desperately chasing the game, you're suggesting Emery threw on a player he doesn't rate at all as a courtesy goodbye gesture? That would in all honesty be such appallingly bad management it's beyond words. Don't think even the harshest Emery critics would believe that.


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No I think using him as sub was for a farewell type goodbye performance and that he didn’t trust Özil.

In a north London derby, with Tottenham in the lead and us desperately chasing the game, you're suggesting Emery threw on a player he doesn't rate at all as a courtesy goodbye gesture? That would in all honesty be such appallingly bad management it's beyond words. Don't think even the harshest Emery critics would believe that.


15 minutes to go. What’s the guy gonna do, lob his own keeper from the left flank.

That would be some *%^@*** achievement. I think he just looked at Özil and thought “ noooo” then felt maybe Nelson was too attacking.


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That would be some *%^@*** achievement. I think he just looked at Özil and thought “ noooo” then felt maybe Nelson was too attacking.

So instead he subs on a player he thinks is useless to try and help us win the game? We're quickly approaching flat earth territory here, so I'll just leave it at that.


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That would be some *%^@*** achievement. I think he just looked at Özil and thought “ noooo” then felt maybe Nelson was too attacking.

So instead he subs on a player he thinks is useless to try and help us win the game? We're quickly approaching flat earth territory here, so I'll just leave it at that.


No he feels mhikitaryan is slightly less attacking than Nelson and that’s more preferable at that point in the game. That’s all. It was a strange sub though as I would have chose Willock


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No he feels mhikitaryan is slightly less attacking than Nelson and that’s more preferable at that point in the game. That’s all.

The less attacking option is more preferable when you're down a goal with 15 minutes to go?


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No he feels mhikitaryan is slightly less attacking than Nelson and that’s more preferable at that point in the game. That’s all.

The less attacking option is more preferable when you're down a goal with 15 minutes to go?

Yeah bit of balance. You’ve already Pépé and Aubameyang on the pitch


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No he feels mhikitaryan is slightly less attacking than Nelson and that’s more preferable at that point in the game. That’s all. It was a strange sub though as I would have chose Willock


Mhikitaryan is a very good player. He's played at Dortmund, manure and now us. If he was that bad he would not have been at those clubs. He was brought on because he's a better and more experienced player than Nelson or Willock and in a NLD that is finely balanced he was the better option.

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Kolasinac, Özil, mhikitaryan, Mustafi and Xhaka have to go. They are passengers in this squad and this morning there’s rumours of mhikitaryan going to Roma on loan despite us not having a replacement such as our desperation to rid ourselves


I hate saying this but that is the dumbest post I have seen for a while.

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