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Post #349481  Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:08 pm 
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How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.

What a load of twaddle. The timing is bad but a contract swings both ways. Look after him while he's in contract by all means but gifting him another because he got injured is just sentimental bollox. I can't be bothered checking but at 27 he's probably spent more time with Arsenal either injured or recovering from injury. If he wanted a new contract and secure income, Welbeck could have negotiated earlier or sought a new club just like the rest of us mugs in the real world.

It isn't sentimental bollocks at all. It's looking after the club's best interests. Thank heavens you're not employed by Arsenal in a capacity to influence the decision. You'd ensure top players or prospects would think twice about joining us and the ones we already have might consider going, because the club wouldn't be perceived as looking after players who get injured playing for it.


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I completely agree with you and Tom C on this.

Perry Groves, part of the football community, has urged the club to extend Welbeck's contract. Make no mistake, how Arsenal act towards Welbeck now will be discussed by players not only at Arsenal but other clubs. It's reputation will be affected by this and Arsenal giving him another year on the same money will enhance it. Booting him out as soon as possible will damage it. That will surely influence players' eagerness or otherwise to stay or join. Because while the chances are against it, every player knows what happened to Welbeck could happen to them.

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You might have missed the change but this is a business not a respite centre.

How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


He’s a decent player but if the only reason he would sign a contract with arsenal is because he’s injured and can’t entertain offers from elsewhere then it’s basically us being a weak touch. Surely the players can’t have it both ways. I respect what we did on Ramsey which sounds pure greed on his part but hope an amicable solution can be found on this.


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Post #349484  Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:15 pm 
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grantyboy wrote:
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How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


What a load of twaddle. The timing is bad but a contract swings both ways. Look after him while he's in contract by all means but gifting him another because he got injured is just sentimental bollox. I can't be bothered checking but at 27 he's probably spent more time with Arsenal either injured or recovering from injury. If he wanted a new contract and secure income, Welbeck could have negotiated earlier or sought a new club just like the rest of us mugs in the real world.


Actually I have to agree on this. If you let your insurance policy run out and have an accident it’s not the insurance company’s fault. He hasn’t signed a contract because he couldn’t agree a salary. There’s a reason these twats are having problems because they are asking for unrealistic demands that arsenal can’t mirror. You can’t have it both ways Danny


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Bernard wrote:
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I completely agree with you and Tom C on this.

Perry Groves, part of the football community, has urged the club to extend Welbeck's contract. Make no mistake, how Arsenal act towards Welbeck now will be discussed by players not only at Arsenal but other clubs. It's reputation will be affected by this and Arsenal giving him another year on the same money will enhance it. Booting him out as soon as possible will damage it. That will surely influence players' eagerness or otherwise to stay or join. Because while the chances are against it, every player knows what happened to Welbeck could happen to them.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talkspor ... roves/amp/


He’s on 5.2 million quid a season and he didn’t sign a new deal because he wanted more and to screw the club on every penny till the last moment his contract was up. 5.2m is a hell of a price to pay for a player who won’t play for a season just for PR


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Post #349486  Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 8:33 pm 
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grantyboy wrote:
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How the club is seen to treat (I don't mean in a purely clinical context) injured players may affect its reputation in the footballing community. If Arsenal don't renew Welbeck's contract while he's suffering from a terrible injury that he incurred while playing for us, it could make players we want to sign in the future think twice about joining us.

That makes it important that Arsenal is seen as looking after Welbeck now, not only up to the point his current contract ends (presumably 30th June 2019), but beyond it. If that means giving him another year on the same money, so be it.


What a load of twaddle. The timing is bad but a contract swings both ways. Look after him while he's in contract by all means but gifting him another because he got injured is just sentimental bollox. I can't be bothered checking but at 27 he's probably spent more time with Arsenal either injured or recovering from injury. If he wanted a new contract and secure income, Welbeck could have negotiated earlier or sought a new club just like the rest of us mugs in the real world.


Yes this is absolutely spot on. Totally agree

It’s actually the plot of the Tom Cruise movie Jerry Maguire If you think about it. :laughing7:

Player asks for too much money, “ show me the money” goes out of contract in order to attain a bigger one and risks getting injured.


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Perry Groves, part of the football community, has urged the club to extend Welbeck's contract. Make no mistake, how Arsenal act towards Welbeck now will be discussed by players not only at Arsenal but other clubs. It's reputation will be affected by this and Arsenal giving him another year on the same money will enhance it. Booting him out as soon as possible will damage it. That will surely influence players' eagerness or otherwise to stay or join. Because while the chances are against it, every player knows what happened to Welbeck could happen to them.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talkspor ... roves/amp/

He’s on 5.2 million quid a season and he didn’t sign a new deal because he wanted more and to screw the club on every penny till the last moment his contract was up. 5.2m is a hell of a price to pay for a player who won’t play for a season just for PR

I don't expect to see you moaning when no semi-decent players join us because of the way we've treated Welbeck. How do you know he's on £5.2m a year anyway, and how do you know he didn't sign a new deal because he wanted more than that?


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Post #349488  Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:14 pm 
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Aubameyang is the first Arsenal player to win player of the month for 37 months


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Bernard wrote:
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He’s on 5.2 million quid a season and he didn’t sign a new deal because he wanted more and to screw the club on every penny till the last moment his contract was up. 5.2m is a hell of a price to pay for a player who won’t play for a season just for PR

I don't expect to see you moaning when no semi-decent players join us because of the way we've treated Welbeck. How do you know he's on £5.2m a year anyway, and how do you know he didn't sign a new deal because he wanted more than that?

Players are full of self interest in case you missed that. If we don't get good players in it is because the club will not match other wages or we do not match their ambitions of winning something. Wellbeck played the mind game and he lost. With his injury history he was badly advised by his agent. He needs to talk to his agent about his options. Greedy players like him and Ramsay know the risk. I bet if the same had happened to Sanchez no one would have wanted him to have a new contract. I will be really annoyed with the club if they do offer him a new contract. It shows we are a soft touch just like under the Wenger years. People wanted a proper run business (FFS and all that), well these are the realities.

I don't know how business works in the UK but here there would be no contract. Maybe if he was with us since he was a 15yo there would be a sentimental argument. Instead he was a Man U player who they unloaded who has failed to give us a lot of football. Game set and match I would think.

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Post #349490  Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:44 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
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He’s on 5.2 million quid a season and he didn’t sign a new deal because he wanted more and to screw the club on every penny till the last moment his contract was up. 5.2m is a hell of a price to pay for a player who won’t play for a season just for PR

I don't expect to see you moaning when no semi-decent players join us because of the way we've treated Welbeck.


If he doesn’t care about that treatment or the risks of not signing a contract why would they!!!!


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If Ramsey broke his leg should we offer him another 110k a week contract as well? Of course *%^@*** not.


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Too bad for Welbeck. Seems we may be looking for another striker...
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i'm way more concerned with the defense. Isn't Kos coming back next month? We can make do without Welbeck. If its a choice that we only have enough for one player in January, then a top defender if one is available. If we need an attacker, maybe a loanee.

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Pay Welbeck his current wages till he's back on his feet. If he's needed sign him up if not let him go.


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Sterling makes in one week more than I make in a .....it's none of your business but its more, lets just say that.

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AmericanGooner approves of this if the rumor has some legs to it. :icon_mrgreen:
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AmericanGooner approves of this if the rumor has some legs to it. :icon_mrgreen:
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Aubameyang is the first Arsenal player to win player of the month for 37 months


He's won it for 37 months - he should let someone else have a go...

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Nelson was a sub today, came on and scored (again) within 2 mins.
I wonder if we might be tempted to bring him back in Jan?


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This guy Foyth for spurs is a walking disaster. Has made 3 big mistakes already. Spurs are very lucky zaha isn’t playing because he would roast him all night and that match up would be a certain penalty


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Currently watching Palace vs Tottenham and it seems like pretty much every PL match I watch its raining. Some the rain comes harder than others but I wonder what percentage of matches it doesn't rain? My guess is less than 40 percent or it seems like it.

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Currently watching Palace vs Tottenham and it seems like pretty much every PL match I watch its raining. Some the rain comes harder than others but I wonder what percentage of matches it doesn't rain? My guess is less than 40 percent or it seems like it.

A question I'm sure we've all asked.
Interesting point though AG that 'some the rain comes harder than others'.


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I’m not quite sure how spurs keep scrapping out these away victories. Other than away to Man U I can’t think of where spurs have actually played well. They are putting the wins on the board. I expect them to beat most teams at home but you need them to drop points away from home


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Palace should have equalised, just seems to shoot everything straight at Lloris. Frustrating when you see how palace played against us


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Aubameyang is the first Arsenal player to win player of the month for 37 months


He's won it for 37 months - he should let someone else have a go...

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Reiss Nelson scored again. Bring him back soon !

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If we bring him back to just sit on the bench, then no. If we bring him back and he gets regular minutes off the bench and start once in a while, then yes. Right now, where he is, is great for his confidence and developement. We don't need him....yet.

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Reiss Nelson scored again. Bring him back soon !


Has anybody watched one of his games? here is he playing is he getting good service or doing it himself. Love to hear whether you think he could fit into our team and keep his scoring run going.

I hope Eddie get's a chance before he returns otherwise I can see him being unsettled and looking for a similar move or even a move away.


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Reiss Nelson scored again. Bring him back soon !

Are we able to? I've no idea what the agreement with Hoffenheim was but I think there have been loan deals where the parent club, in Nelson's case Arsenal, doesn't have the freedom to recall the player on loan before the expiry of the loan contract.


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Charlie Austin had quite a rant in his post match interview. I just wish the interviewers would call players and managers out on their one sided views. Austin raged about a goal that should have been given - it was a mistake, but just before Watford had a cast iron penalty not given which would have likely bought the score back to 1-1 and left Saints with 10 men for the remainder of the game. Austin was just allowed to have a rant at the ref without any challenge that his team had a potentially even more favourable decision go their way moments before.


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Reiss Nelson scored again. Bring him back soon !

Are we able to? I've no idea what the agreement with Hoffenheim was but I think there have been loan deals where the parent club, in Nelson's case Arsenal, doesn't have the freedom to recall the player on loan before the expiry of the loan contract.

That has been the case before, and upon reflection it is probably the best thing for the player to stay there the whole season. He's had to make quite an upheaval to his life moving his family out there. He's not starting every game so could still be said to trying to fully establish himself in the team despite his goals and impact.


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Charlie Austin had quite a rant in his post match interview. I just wish the interviewers would call players and managers out on their one sided views. Austin raged about a goal that should have been given - it was a mistake, but just before Watford had a cast iron penalty not given which would have likely bought the score back to 1-1 and left Saints with 10 men for the remainder of the game. Austin was just allowed to have a rant at the ref without any challenge that his team had a potentially even more favourable decision go their way moments before.


Can't wait for the ref analysis's tat will back the ref for a correct decision. It's not exactly the same situation as ours against Liverpool but will I am sure goes on to prove that the off side law needs retuning.

In my opinion the ref was fooled by the offside player moving his head back which from the referees viewpoint would have looked a close call and would have led him to believe that the player was in the line of fire. Who wouldn't have called it interfering with play?

More evidence that VAR is needed.


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Alexis....lol
https://www.givemesport.com/1415059-ale ... LvCDwbAkIA

according to a recent report in The Times, Sanchez's agent, Fernando Felicevich, has been in contact with Paris Saint-Germain over a possible move.
But the report is a lot more significant than just a transfer rumour.
They claim that Alexis is “Lonely, bored and ignored” at Old Trafford.
They say that only David de Gea, Juan Mata and Romelu Lukaku have a relationship with Alexis, with other teammates believing that Sanchez hasn’t done enough to improve his English.

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Are we able to? I've no idea what the agreement with Hoffenheim was but I think there have been loan deals where the parent club, in Nelson's case Arsenal, doesn't have the freedom to recall the player on loan before the expiry of the loan contract.

That has been the case before, and upon reflection it is probably the best thing for the player to stay there the whole season. He's had to make quite an upheaval to his life moving his family out there. He's not starting every game so could still be said to trying to fully establish himself in the team despite his goals and impact.

Yeah, I see no point in calling him back. Let him establish himself at Hoffenheim and continue his development. At Arsenal he would get a smaller role, and surely the whole point of loaning him out was so that he could play more?


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Few rumours linking us to Mata on a free in the summer. He worked with Emery at Valencia. Makes sense, we’ll lose ramsey so need something but with our limited budget most should probably be spent in defence


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More calls for Var. Fulham very very close called offside. Liverpool first goal offside but not called.

Var needed..................


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Leno, Bellerin, mustafi, Holding, Kolasinac, Torreira, Xhaka, iwobi, Özil, Aubameyang, Lacazette
Čech AMN, Sokratis, Ramsey, Mkhitaryan, Guendouzi, nketiah in the bench


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Chelsea 0-0 everton, 72 mins and Pickford is booked for time wasting. When has an opposition gk ever been booked that early in a game against us?


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Leno, Bellerin, mustafi, Holding, Kolasinac, Torreira, Xhaka, iwobi, Özil, Aubameyang, Lacazette
Čech AMN, Sokratis, Ramsey, Mkhitaryan, Guendouzi, nketiah in the bench
I sense that that lineup is going to start really clicking.
No reason why we shouldn't get out of the blocks early with that lot. 5-0 with a Lacazette hattrick.

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It will be interesting how we play against the wing back formation. We were poor against Leicester when they played this formation, taking until the second half to figure it out and up the tempo.
Wolves have mourinho and neves in the centre of the park, both great technicians and great on the ball.....if they are given time. Neither is quick or mobile so they need to be hassled hard and fast. Wolves look to them to control the play and spread it wide to the wing backs.


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