Absolutely nail on the head DHD.

Anyone that thinks we are ruled by an unelected EU obviously has no clue about how the UK is ruled either.

The disaster capitalists and foreign govts are taking advantage of the ignorance of a large part of the UK population. They are laughing all the way to their tax havens, whilst also laughing at those who are (mainly in ignorance) voting for policies that effect this.

Its a very sad indictment of our education system.

People don't think or realise this sort of basic stuff:

But an almost equal amount of people (of those that voted), voted to remain. They also made their view known.

You make it sound as if it was a landslide, and it wasn't.

So you think the stuff about Cambridge Analytica, Putin, Bannon, Banks and suspect donations should be just brushed aside? Really?

"A danger to democracy" - what, like having another vote on the final outcome in case people have actually changed their minds? Like people do every 3-5 years in an election? More voting isn't a danger to democracy is it.

Good luck Nacho. You were a good professional for us.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49534587
Nacho Monreal: Arsenal defender joins Real Sociedad

My final contribution on the EU debate for today at least.

Up until a few years ago, I would have been very indifferent to the thought of, or desire for, Welsh independence. I have been overall a relatively happy member of the status quo regarding the UK, albeit unhappy with the actions of some governments (Poll tax, Iraq, bedroom tax etc).

What I have seen over the past few years has brought to stark light the rottenness at the heart of Westminster:
the way our politicians seem to have been bought off (or are being blackmailed);
a PM who is on record as a liar, who has been recorded conspiring to assault a reporter;
cabinet ministers who say one thing today, the opposite tomorrow;
ministers like Patel voting on contracts having given paid advice to the company bidding for the contract;
constant lies not being challenged;
the ability of extremists like Farage to command the media spotlight, thanks to how our press is run; and the role of social media in manipulating public opinion has been frightening.

I have also come to believe that we are in the throes of the selling off of the UK, and that Brexit is simply a means to an end in the hands of those (like Rees Mogg) who in my opinion are conspiring against the UK. This time though, it won't be a possible invasion by tanks and troops that we will have to fight off. We might have have had a chance about that. No, it'll be a takeover by stealth of all our public assets, a process started some years ago but now coming to fruition.

Our NHS (which American health insurance companies are slavering over) will go, public services will be privatised and cut back to nothing, the least able in society will suffer, retirement age pushed ever upwards, and the financial divide between rich and poor will increase exponentially.

As Top Gun has mentioned, there are many people in Scotland now questioning their position viz a viz the UK, and Scottish independence is a real possibility. Wales doesn't get the same publicity as Scotland (for Wales, see England), but I can tell you that I am not alone in now considering Welsh independence as a preferable alternative to living in what the UK will become. People who 10 years ago would have laughed at the idea, are now beginning to wonder.

Brexit is nothing at all to do with the EU in reality, its simply a vehicle that has allowed tax dodging parasites to dictate political discourse and policy in this country.

And finally, to those who say it was the will of the people and those who voted remain should just shut up and get on with it:
a) that's not how true democracy works, people are allowed to change their minds (both ways)
b) Farage himself said that if the vote had been 52/48 the other way, he would have carried on campaigning.

good post john,

I firmly believe the biggest casualty around all of this is yet to come which is the eventual break up of our special union between the countries on our island.

When the Rees Moggs and Johnson said that achieving brexit was important than keeping the United Kingdom together that sends a message to me that fundamentally they only value the opinion of the English people and their own political careers. Just look how they have behaved over Ireland. They are an absolute disgrace and I can understand how working class scots can look at them and feel they have no connection to them.

Thats the problem with Brexit, the damage is never ending. It can go anywhere, absolutely anywhere

That said you sods in Wales can clear off if you think you are leaving!!! Unlike the scots you voted for Brexit too! you can sit with me and enjoy the inevitable misery that follows I'm not doing this on my own

As a point of info, and maybe of interest, polls have shown that Welsh born people voted approx 58% in favor of staying in the EU. Bear in mind that 20% of Wales’ population was born outside Wales (mainly England), and it is this vote that made Wales vote out.

(For the avoidance of doubt, I’m not advocating a curb on immigrstion into Wales! )

When you have Boris Johnson as PM who needs 'crazies , looneys and " think they know betters "' ... They are as redundant and the spaces you like to put before your commas.

The entire Brexit fiasco is the epitome of rabble rousing.

Really that’s quite interesting I never knew that.

You should never have allowed so many English in your infested, at breaking point, there must be no go areas around city centres full of English people milling around doing nothing there must be “no go” zones where it’s unsafe for locals to go because it’s full of English who haven’t integrated. I’m assuming all the English are taking the lower paid jobs too

You aren't getting it, Top Gun. Democracy is a danger to democracy. We need autocrats like Putin, Trump, Bolsanaro, Orban ... and that spectacular pinnacle of statesmanship, Boris, to save it.

Great post. I hope your wife is recovering well, Pompey.

Spot on.

I just can’t understand this at all. I just cannot see any sense in further depleting our already light on defence. Tierney will, according to the Arsenal site commence full training at the end of September. So I suppose Sead K will be drafted to play Monreals position. We should know tomorrow I suppose.

Agreed. Monreal is a real gem.

He’s going back to 3 centrals isn’t he.

Good thought process. I had dismissed it but you are probably correct. I will wait and see before I lose my *%^@ over this.

The thing is we’re not inundated with central defenders either. If Mustafi won’t be considered, apart from Luiz, Sokratis and Holding (has he played any game since he’s been training) is there anyone else? If not, it’s surely a big risk to start Holding. Mavropanos looked really poor in his few games last season. Medley looked good but I can’t see him starting a Premier League North London derby already. Who else is there? Have I forgotten somebody?

My own guess is four at the back. AMN at right back and Kolasinac the left back, with Luiz and Sokratis in the centre. Holding on the bench. I could well be wrong but that’s how I see it.

so Putin influenced Brexit as well as getting Trump elected ... busy man

.... and have another referendum because some may have changed their minds ...... seriously .

All the best Monreal

Good post ...you seem to know what you are talking about ...but how many referendums do think you should have before something is done ?

United drop 2 points

Top4 is definitely on this year.

Please stop moaning and get behind the team. A point tomorrow would be a good result.

MU drew Ston, despite going 1-0 ahead, and playing more than 20 minutes against 10 men. Sink deeper they go

We have three left backs, so we are selling one, I don't see why it has to be more to it than that. Monreal probably wanted to go, and we let him leave because he's been a good servant to the club. Tierney is clearly thought of as the guy going forward and until then we have Kolasinac.

But you don't have a referendum and then just do it. The referendum indicated national approval for the idea of brexit. Then the government in power had to work out, and get approval for, the details of the deal. This it failed to do.

Discussing thing critically (moaning as you put it) here and getting behind the team are not mutually exclusive activities.

If we waited to sell Monreal in january it would have cost the club 1.1million in wages. We only play Watford and villa in September and if you can’t trust Kolasinac againest those sides he shouldn’t be at the club.

Just seems to make sense, obviously if we lose tomorrow the bed Wetters will lose the plot.

Chelsea drop 2 points at home.

#Emeryout

How was it supposed to succeed when 60% of MPs who promised to see Brexit through did everything in their power to stop it or hinder it?

From the moment May took over the negotiations from David Davies the whole venture was doomed. If she had left well alone we would have done a good deal and we would have got a good result . As it was the remoaners made it impossible and cost the country billions in wasted efforts to cover their arses.

Sadly Liverpool are 0-2 up already. So it looks like I’ll have to write this off as another two easy points for them. So after the satisfaction of Chelsea and Manchester United dropping points, sod it!

They and City might as well be in a different league. Liverpool didn't have it all their own way, mind.

David Davis, Britain’s chief Brexit negotiator, has held only four hours of talks with his Brussels opposite number this year, according to government records.

The lack of political engagement was cited by EU leaders on Friday as they rebuked the UK for slow progress on Brexit. In a joint summit statement, they insisted on “the need for intensified efforts” and warned that there had been “no substantial” advances on the vexed issue of the Irish border.



https://www.ft.com/content/9e3aacf0-7b9 ... daf11b720d

Sorry, but that makes no sense. Whose fault was it? The 'remoaners' (as your last point suggests) or the Brexiteers (the 60% you mention) ...who were far too busy stabbing each other in the back to organise a pissup in a brewery, let alone something as complicated as Brexit?

Either way, is what you are describing anything other than a giant cock up by the conservative party?

All valid points

Also it’s worth pointing out that May DID actually deliver a withdrawal agreement that provided Brexit but it was deemed not brexity enough by the loonie far right types in her own party.

City and Liverpool are so far ahead that i’ll Be cheering both of them on when they play spurs, Man U and Chelsea. We are competing with those 3 for top 4 so any points they drop is good even if it is to those two.

The bonus is Chelsea (twice), Man U (at least twice) and spurs (once) have all already dropped points you’d expect them to get. We technically have got the exact amount of points you would expect us to have to get a top 4 place

Read that the Elneny loan deal as an €18m option to buy at the end. If that happens then Raul is an absolute genius.

Also saw someone post that from the 18 man squad that won the 2017 fa cup there is only Bellerin, Holding, xhaka, Özil left in the current squad. 14 players gone in 2 and a bit years

If they only get two points for a win though I feel like we might just have a chance. Maybe.

The referendum was advisory. We are a parliamentary democracy (at least we used to be), not a country ruled by plebiscite.

The issue of membership of the EU was not a topic of conversation in the general population or indeed in daily politics. It was only when the EU agreed to the introduction of anti-tax avoidance measures that the tax exile newspaper barons fired up their editors to start playing the immigration card. Cameron was just too craven and cowardly to stand up to those pressures. Or maybe even he will benefit financially.

Anyway, whilst I don’t agree with referenda deciding matters instead of Parliament, this issue needs another one to settle the issue. There needs to be 3 choices:
1. Leave with no deal
2. Whatever deal Johnson can agree (but he won’t, because his bosses won’t let him)
3. Stay in the EU

One more point kiwi, do you seriously dismiss the possibility that Putin has had a role in all this? He’s a billionaire, who’s profited from the theft of Russian assets. If you think people like him are at any time happy with what they’ve got, then you’ve been sniffing too much engine oil.

Btw, if you get the chance, have a look at a film called The Great Hack.

I wasn’t clear - I meant until Tierney is fit. Kola isn’t a defender.

Spot on

Oh okay .... so the only guaranteed outcome ; half the population will be seriously p***sed off with the the other half .

Happy days ahead .