Or let's not settle for looking bad after spending over 120 million.

We do seem to have a long-standing habit of imploding don’t we?

The test now is to see if this team has any cojones and to see if it still fights and tries to win the game.

We’ve had nothing in midfield all game, I think it makes sense. I think we have to be accepting of it when when we’re very much in transition and we play Liverpool way third game of the season. Whilst there is a limit, I’m happy to basically ignore this result and carry on improving.

If it avoids a 8-2 then it makes sense.

I think that is the thinking.

Fair enough. I wasn’t expecting a lot from this one anyway.

2! Dreamland...

Disappointing that we never got any sort of a grip in this game though.

Early season optimism draining away....
This will happen season after season at anfield.
We are no match for them on their own patch.
Was faintly hoping things would be different today but deep down you knew it would be another sound beating.

Why did they choose the granite tile?

Absolutely. I think Torreria being off the pace is a factor. I think we’ve looked a bit more secure since he’s come on.

Some thinking to do for emery and Edu for sure but it’s a stern lesson they’ve got to learn from. Guendouzi want too much time but then we knew that.

I don’t understand that. What’s a granite tile?

Unlikely to make any difference to the result but missing the first choice full backs is hurting us. The difference between Bellerin/Tierney and AMN/Monreal is quite big. I wouldn’t have minded facing Liverpool minus their two full backs and with ours.

Liverpool have 11 players who know the exact plan inside out, they know exactly where they should be and where they should run and who they should pass to. They are also built as a team with attributes to perfectly suit their managers game plan, fast, athletic, high tempo, and relentless fitness.

We’re taking baby steps in trying to catch them up. We have some forward players who wouldn’t look out of place in Liverpool’s team but our midfield is incredibly pedestrian compared to Liverpool. On pure talent I don’t think there is a massive difference but it is the mobility, energy and know how that kills us

Hmm, maybe.

Positives today: a few cameos from Pépé. Otherwise, it's as you were since last year. And Mustafi isn't even on the pitch! That summariser on Sky is describing a different Arsenal.

Couldn’t agree more. I fancy us to beat them at home later in the season which sounds crazy after this. But it make sense when you think about players bedding in and players coming back.

Could really do without a NLD to follow this.

Yay! A goal.

Thanks I feel better now.

At least it’s at home.

And there’s my man Torreria. Have that.

Two more now and I might still have time to delete my last few posts...

Game on!!!!

I think Monreal has played well

Fair. His lack of pace has been exposed, which was always very likely.

Guendouzi and Ceballos below average and bad respectively.

Pépé class touches if lacking a bit of fight and end product.

Torreria looks out best player since coming on.

Luiz again lack of pace more than anything which you’d expect at 32.

Most everyone else ok. Liverpool - ruthless.

Disappointed not to play Lacazette from the start. I’d be interested to see how many other teams decide to not play one of their first choice strikers at Anfield.

With the best teams you can name their best 11 and the formation they’ll play. I think arsenal have played 3 different formations so far this season

Your posts are safe. Not too much of an unexpected result though ...

Yeah didn’t really understand that. Not fully fit??

AMN is our worst player today. The number of wrong passes and mistakes were far too many for a premier league player.

Willock couldn't do anything, as was Ceballos. That made our midfield totally non existent. Guendozi is again all huff and puff but no end result. He is becoming Elneny II. Xhaka is his usual slow-mo style.

The playing out from our penalty area is a disaster, or two, waiting to happen. But to what end? We hardly launch a quick attack from those passes. It goes a full circle back to the penalty area. And by that time, opposing players have already retreated back. All attempted initiative to get past them quickly gone. And minutes wasted while chasing for goals. This is the most frustrating of Emery's tactics. What exactly is he playing for?

Oh well, hope he learns from this and get that victory next week. Between the 2, next week is much more significant.

I thought the consolation goal and last 15 mins glossed over what was a pretty inept performance from both team and manager. This game was a spectacle being watched all around the world and people could have been forgiven for thinking they were watching Liverpool playing a relegation candidate.

I thought Emery was supposed to be the tactical genius that Wenger was not. He didn't do bugger all to change things until it was too late.

Overall I'm just sad because the gulf in class was enormous, embarassingly so and it's not like we didn't have some talented players out there who should have been able to compete. We just never had the belief or the tactical set-up to do so.

Sadly, after a promising start Luiz provided the defensive horror show that every one warned us about.

??? I suppose we’ve all got our view but I can’t see that at all Goonie

Edit sorry got your name mixed up, you guys always seem to post together apologies

AMN is not and will never be a right back. He's good when he can burst forward into crossing positions but when he is asked to defend as a RB should against quality players he lacks the know-how or positional sense. Not his fault, but unless someone is prepared to spend hours on the training ground teaching him the basic art of defending (and it is an art) he will always struggle to defend properly.

Just watched the 24 minutes highlight package. Have to agree that we were terrible. The worst were Luis and Cela. I can’t tell if Xhaka was bad because in 24 minutes of highlights his name was not called once. Aubameyang seemed to be absent as well. Terrible spineless performance. A repeat against Spurs and I want Emery out.

Emery let slip after the game that he’s about to be sold to Real Sociedad.

I can not understand that at all as I think it leaves us very short at the back.

Maybe Tierney is close to coming back.

Even if it leaves us a little short it might be hard to turn down if we got offered a decent fee.

It wasn’t that bad a performance until the goals went in. We were at least competing for every ball and displaying courage.

It’s a David Luiz horror show, what on Earth was he thinking for the penalty and he dived in like a rookie on Salah for their third. I think you may see him dropped for spurs.

Asking for Emery’s head if we lose a north London derby is frankly ridiculous. We are a work in progress and need our players back and new signings integrated before you can make a judgement

Been saying for ages that this playing out from the back at all costs needs to stop. Against Burnley it was clear that if we tried the same against Liverpool that it would put us in all sorts of trouble. Surprise surprise we gift Liverpool an entire half to try and score. I can't even count how many turnovers from trying to play from the back. Might have been a slightly different scoreline if one of the 3 good counterattack chances had been taken by Pépé or Aubameyang. But as expected, Liverpool scored first and we fell apart. Luiz, also as expected with a total anuerism and pulling on Salahs shirt in a way impossible to miss.

I think general results will improve this season but we're miles below being a team that anyone is going to fear. Least of all the Top 6 rivals.

Yet another predictable beating..

What the hell happened to this Emery dosier on every player and how to improve them? He hasn't improved a single player yet.

And where is the tactical brain with plan b when playing out from the back is not working?.

Emery changed the setup again today but it looked badly under prepared and not the time to start practicing with new formations.

I think the playing out from the back doesn’t need to stop but just put some variation into it.

I think it’s unfair to pin the result on Emery. Liverpool are one of the best teams in Europe right now. The set up was the right one, keep it tight and compact with people behind the ball. It was working until the usual lapse allowed the first goal. It would have been crazy to play both strikers. The only criticism for me was he played Xhaka rather than Torreira but I think there’s some concerns over Torreiras fitness.

The reality is because Emery isn’t a big name people are pinning any bad result on him. Sometimes you just need to put your hands up and say we played a better team.

Btw saying Emery hasn’t improved players is unfair. Bellerin, Holding and Iwobi all had improved seasons last year. This is the problem with the way people are judging Emery. Last week city sold Mangala on a free 4 years after buying him for 42 million. Nobody was criticising Guardiola saying he couldn’t improve Mangala.

We have conceded 4 goals this season and you can directly sheet 3 of them to Luiz. As for my comments on Emery out - bit of overreaction because of how poor I thought we were. Whoever Liverpool played - Norwich ? - they had more chances than us.

I was concerned that we seemed to play ‘park the bus,’. Without looking like we could actually defend. Individual performances like last night cannot be tolerated against Spurs.