That's how it always is, taken out of context

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/22/arsenal- ... -10438171/

hope it is not true, Nelson won't be happy about it

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/07/22/a ... ed-elneny/

Hope this one is true and completed fast

Thanks. Happy to hear it was a 'non story'. It didn't sound like something he would say.
Let's hope he carries his ANC form into the season.

Why wouldn’t Nelson be happy about it? It’s only a proposed loan and I’m sure he’d see more first team football than at Arsenal. That should be seen as a big positive for him, especially when it’s first team Premier League football.

He is a very hard worker. I like his work-rate. But, unfortunately, just not good enough to be sitting in the books when we need better players to improve the team. If we are rich and have a willing owner, he is a very good squad player to have around. Ditto Iwobi.

I felt he had already "done his time" in being loaned out last season. If he had already proven himself, why get loaned out again? If I was in his position, I would feel being undervalued by my manager.

Oops, what I had meant was actually "Of course, any player who gets quoted for what they really meant, would say their words were taken out of context. Especially when they fear possible repercussions from their manager/coach."

And you had taken my opinion out of context

We’ve supposedly bid £55m plus £10m add on plus Nelson on loan for Zaha. From a team who were meant to only have £45m to spend that is a big jump.
I really don’t think that is a smart move. £65m could do a lot for this team were it spread across 2 positions, ie the young Brazilian winger and one of Leipzig’s CB.
More than a bit worried that we don’t seem to be linked to any CB at the moment.
Kos needs to go which means we’re left with mustafi and Sokratis with only holding to come back in. Those 3 backed up by Mavropanos and Monreal, and medley is nowhere near enough for the new season.
In fact I’d take that £65m and buy 2 CB and find a way to move mustafi on even if it was for £10m

If i was to prioritise signings I would go for a left back and wide player and yes I would go the extra mile for Zaha.

Zaha provided 10 goals and 5 assists for palace last year and 9 goals the season before in a struggling team. Özil, Iwobi an Mhikitaryan simply wont provide that for the team and our form at the end of last season was so poor because we just didn’t seem to create anything. We desperately need a wild card as we are too pedestrian.

60 million is a lot of money but Zaha is precisely the type of player we need and proven in the league

Did he prove himself? The impression I got was that he started really well but things then went downhill. Maybe that impression isn’t correct, but it was the impression I got.

I really hope we don’t keep going all out for zaha hoping palace will buckle on the final day of the window and be forced to sell at our price. It is far too risky.
If palace won’t budge on their price then call their bluff early, give them our bid and say you’ve got 1 week then we’re off to get new targets.

Nothing new in this really.

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Ornstein has tweeted that Arsenalhave reached an agreement withReal Madrid for the loan of Ceballos and are ready to seal the Saliba deal including a season loan back to St Etienne.
Beat spurs to both signings

Yes, he started well and then got injured. Not sure his injury was pre or post dip in form. I would think he would have done enough to warrant a look-in. He was playing in the top league of Germany, and not a lesser league. To be able to impress at all, should be noted. That's only an opinion I hold.

Long gone are the days of us squirreled away in Austria under Wenger. The summer tours have gotten more expansive and the opposition more significant, Emirates Cup aside from several years ago.

The "good" thing about the anger of some if not most fans is that the Kroenke's are at least aware of it and I would guess are wary of it getting bigger. Do they care? Yes, but not as much as we think they should or do is my guess. The Los Angeles Rams are their primary concern. That won't change. I also think Josh cares about the rumblings far more than his father.

Worst decision to hand the keys over to him. The board were caught between a 'Scylla and Charabdis' between Usmanov and Kroenke.

Hmmm.....wonder how either of them got interested in buying The Arsenal?

Thanks David Dein.

Agreed nothing compares to the '80s youth that came through. Can't get much better than winning 2 titles ('89 and '91). However, I we have done great in the youth tournaments under Wenger and there were a couple League Cup sides that was mostly young players that got us to semi finals or finals. And they were routinely sought after for loan deals.

City and Chelsea (locally) have hoarded the best area talent with money. Changed the landscape I think. Soton has produced a lot but that may be attributed to the fall of Pompey and their being pretty much the biggest club on the southern coast and have had good management teams in.

If it’s going to take Nelson going on loan to Palace to get Zaha, which I thought was the idea gooner7 objected to, doesn’t it come down to the impact you’d expect both Nelson and Zaha to have with Arsenal next season? If you’d expect Nelson to be an impact sub and that is the realistic expectation, the rationale for Arsenal is surely to expect a lot more than that from Zaha?

I suppose whether we would actually get enough from Zaha to make it worth losing someone who you anticipate being an impact sub next season is up for debate. But someone at Arsenal will have to make that judgement this summer.

As I said he other day, I have mixed feelings over the Ceballos if there is no option to buy, although it seems the Real President has promised to discuss selling him to us next June.

He's technically brilliant and had an outstanding Euro u21s tournament with Spain. Whether he can cope with the pace and physicality of the PL is the big unknown.

Let's be honest, if we want to get back in the CL asap then turning down the loan of a potentially topclass player (with a reasonable salary) just because there is no option to buy is a bit churlish given our alleged financial situation. If it allows us to spend on other areas of the team it may be a sensible move.

Unfortunately, though, the better season he has the less our chances of signing him unless he falls in love with Arsenal and england.

Hi Bernard,

I'd have thought a loan move to Palace would be ideal for Nelson at this stage of his career. A decent team with an intelligent manager, in London as well.

Morning Socrates. That’s the way I’d see such a deal as well. I was slightly puzzled by gooner7’s opposition to the idea and I doubt Nelson would be unhappy with it.

If he helps to get back to CL status then it will be a win. Whether he stays or not will be up to Real and if they want him back I doubt that the appeal of England is going to keep him.

I really hope we have other options because Zaha isn't worth $65m and there must be better options for the same money.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/nfl-s- ... -1.3963947

We're 42nd.

I’m expecting another Baptista type loan from Ceballos. Without an option to buy it’s just arsenal developing a player for another club. If he scores 10 goals and provides 5 assists his price will be huge, if he doesn’t then wasted a year.

The Suarez loan was probably the worst loan deal of all time. He looked an absolute nothing player

So what would you rather have Ceballos and a top four finish or no Ceballos and no CL.

I think we are having to take a pragmatic approach. We felt unable to let the chance to sign Saliba pass even with a year's loan so we are having to cut our coat according to our cloth. I am hoping that signing Ceballos allows us to buy another CB and someone like Saha or Everton Soares.

I was expecting Suarez to show ability on the ball, even if he hadn’t fitted in. But he didn’t. Average ability mixed with not an awful lot else.

Has Saliba been confirmed yet?

So we have a prime minister now who can’t even honestly say how many children he has.

Apparently we are doing exactly the same with defenders. Ie trying to get a loan centre half in.

So we’re looking at an unwanted, perhaps youngish, CB from a top side? Someone like, although probably not, Bailly from Utd. Or Bielik perhaps... No one in England will want to strengthen us, so we’re looking at someone from maybe Bayern Juve Real or Barca. As an aside did you know Zech Medley is 6’5”!

The only way those players get valued at that sort of price is to get exposure in the prem. I'm relatively comfortable with our offensive positions with or without Zaha/Everton. I'm hugely concerned with our defensive positions where we are already a lot weaker than last year when we shipped 51 goals

Jerome Boateng Maybe, however he’s never really impressed me

Whilst the Ceballos deal is not ideal I can understand the logic if it enables us to strengthen significantly in other areas. However, more than one loan deal (especially if there is again no purchase option) just seems like the actions of a mid to lower table club.

How many big clubs in world football sign players on loan with no option to buy, except in an emergency situation where say a player suddenly picks up a long term injury?

If we are going down that route I'd rather just give the kids a go.

We get everywhere. Watching the Tour De France which is now near Nimes. At a rider crash scene there’s a guy in an Arsenal shirt taking photos from the roadside.

Probably caused the crash knowing our lot

Did his shirt have Mustafi on the back?

How about compared to Mustafi?
That’s actually a really good shout. Not a player I’d like us to invest in significantly, but on a loan that makes a fair bit of sense as Bayern we’re trying to flog him round Europe last summer.

If you look carefully you can see a Wenger Out sign in the corner.

Ha ha. Nice one.

I’m not sure I understand the pros for the selling club in sending a player on loan with an option to buy at a fixed price?
If the player does well or bad the buying club still has the option to buy or not.
I assume the price would be closer to what the selling club want to sell him for and realistically the only way it will get triggered is if he has done well for the buying club and therefore the buying club are more likely to agree to the price.

I’m fine with us not having an option to buy cellabos, we’ve got bigger problems. I don’t recall us allowing any of our players to go on loan with an option to buy.