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Post #395641  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 9:22 am 
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Juventus and their coach Massimiliano Allegri are to part company after five seasons and five league titles. Former Juve manager and player Antonio Conte has been linked with a return.

Hmm.


Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.

Unfortunately I don't see us as being an attractive proposition for the likes of Allegri in our current state.


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Juventus and their coach Massimiliano Allegri are to part company after five seasons and five league titles. Former Juve manager and player Antonio Conte has been linked with a return.

Hmm.


Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.


These guys will not come to us. Money in their back pocket is not an issue for them. They are all very wealthy individuals. They want a job that gives them a chance to enhance their cv and win trophies. The restrictions placed on squad development by kse will put them off

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Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.

Unfortunately I don't see us as being an attractive proposition for the likes of Allegri in our current state.

Am I the only one who isn't sold on Allegri? Juventus are a bit like City in so much as they have such a big advantage over their rivals and also, they have a solid structure from boardroom down. We're currently in the process of restructuring.

Btw, a friend goes to these fans forums where they talk with the board. Says the last one he went to was chaired by Josh Kroenke and he came away thinking how well he spoke and how focussed they were on the structure they wanted in place. He said he was more impressed with him than he imagined he would be. I was surprised as this guy has always been a massive critic of Kroenke.

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Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results.


2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.

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Allegri could be the new manager who is able to get more out of our underperforming world class talent like Mustafi and Kolasinac and improve our defence.


These guys will not come to us. Money in their back pocket is not an issue for them. They are all very wealthy individuals. They want a job that gives them a chance to enhance their cv and win trophies. The restrictions placed on squad development by kse will put them off


Yes restrictions but also legacy mistakes that will take time to be resolved (Özil, mhikitaryan, wasting 100 million on the 3 amigos Xhaka, Perez and Mustafi)

Any manager with a descent resume should run a million miles away from the arsenal job. Your totally setting yourself up. This is why I was suggesting after Emery inevitably gets fired at the end of next year employ an ex player who has an affinity with the fans who would allow him a long time on a major rebuilding project.


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These guys will not come to us. Money in their back pocket is not an issue for them. They are all very wealthy individuals. They want a job that gives them a chance to enhance their cv and win trophies. The restrictions placed on squad development by kse will put them off


Yes restrictions but also legacy mistakes that will take time to be resolved (Özil, mhikitaryan, wasting 100 million on the 3 amigos Xhaka, Perez and Mustafi)

Any manager with a descent resume should run a million miles away from the arsenal job. Your totally setting yourself up. This is why I was suggesting after Emery inevitably gets fired at the end of next year empty an ex player who has an affinity with the fans who would allow him a long time on a major rebuilding project.


When we did spend some of it was done very badly and we made the wrong call in contractual negotiations for several players.

God I just remembered the embarrassment of the _£40 million plus one pound offer for Suarez. What a *%^@ load of transfer wankery have Arsenal been involved in over the last ten years.

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Also, Brendan Rodgers has been at Leicester for 5 minutes and already they've improved immeasurably. Coaching when done well can improve things quickly, you don't really need 5 transfer windows to start seeing the results.


2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.

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2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.

I think this would be the right thing to do. See what the club do in the summer then we can see whether we're moving forward or not. I think by christmas if there's not an obvious forward trajectory then the club needs to assess.

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Post #395649  Posted: Thu May 09, 2019 10:17 am 
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As much as many disliked, or even hated him, if Alexis was still here, Emery would have countered on him so many times already. I put his slide of attitude and desire squarely on the manager who was mismanaging him. Some on here will say the same drum is getting beat. But no, it is simply a fact being stated.

Wenger got the best out of him. Sanchez wanted a bigger contract (understandable) and got one from MU. He has been a shadow of the player he was. I'm glad he's no longer with us.

On a footballing level even now I’d still take him. He’d be more productive than Özil, Iwobi or mhikitaryan.


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One thing to be admired in both spurs and Liverpool is how some relatively average squad players have come in and done the business when the best we’re injured. Llorente, moura, Origi, Shaqiri- all big parts to play in each semi and none of whom are first choice
True. While Liverpool's win was phenomenal I feel Spurs' performance is even greater. Lose at home, two down away and to win it from that position is the stuff of dreams. Or nightmares if you support Arsenal.

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Decaf wrote:
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2 entirely different things. One is trying to take a team from around 14th in the league to 9th when theres about 8 points difference in those places the other is displacing chelsea and spurs for a top 4 position both who have better players than us and world class creative talent like hazard and Ericcson

Emery maybe a dud but you can’t judge his performances whilst his squad is a mess.

Guardiola finished 3rd in his first season. His defence was all over the place and after he realised this he shipped out, sagna, Hart, kolarov and more and replaced them with Walker, mendy etc voila improved results

Klopp did exactly the same after his first 12 months

This is why I say Emery is being held to a higher account than Guardiola and klopp therefore arsenal fans are the new chelsea fans

I hope you are right. Either way he deserves the benefit of the doubt for another season.


To give another example

Emery favours a ... 4-2-3-1 and high press. He’s always usually played this

At the moment he can’t play it because he doesn’t trust his left back to be able to defend well enough, his centre halves are too inconsistent and he has a midfielder filling in at rightback. Therefore it’s 5 at the back and sacrifice some possession.

Have a read of this ..

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2015/07/23/ ... nai-emery/

He’s got no chance of achieving this with our current lot who aren’t energetic enough and some plain lazy.


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...Most of us are willing to be patient as long as we see some improvements. Present frustrations with Emery is a reaction to us dropping 11 points in the last 4 league games. All will be well again when we win tonight and again on 29 May.
Yes, that sad run of results has raised some doubts in my previously open mind. At the start of the season I had no expectation other than a Europa placing, but having been offered fourth so often by our rivals, and then to have whimpered the opportunity away so weakly, it raises questions.

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I always appreciated his positional and organisational talents. The best defenders are the ones who have to make the fewest challenges because they get into the correct positions. But my point still stands, when did we last have a really top quality defender in our team (Kos accepted).

If you're refusing to acknowledge him while including Koscielny, I won't. My answer is Mertesacker.


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It will be peak typical Arsenal to be the only English team to take a lead into the 2nd leg......and get knocked out

Its nailed on.

Spurs were fantastic that second half, Llorente just killed them. All Moura's goals were clinically taken. Unfortunately they are a top side with a top manager. Saw them play some great football in the group stage and somehow not get the result.

Liverpool though are on another level. Absolutely outstanding team. One of the best in a premier season ever.

But as Bernard says anything can happen in a final.

Should be a belter.

Moura's goals were all splendidly well taken. Amazing for him to stand up like that.

Liverpool would be my choice to face them in the final. But I have a horrible feeling about this and tonights game.

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I always appreciated his positional and organisational talents. The best defenders are the ones who have to make the fewest challenges because they get into the correct positions. But my point still stands, when did we last have a really top quality defender in our team (Kos accepted).

If you're refusing to acknowledge him while including Koscielny, I won't. My answer is Mertesacker.

Alright then. Mert and Kos accepted when did we last produce or buy a top quality defender.

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Europa cup semi final and I'm not excited. In fact, not sure I will even watch. Depressing week.

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As much as many disliked, or even hated him, if Alexis was still here, Emery would have countered on him so many times already. I put his slide of attitude and desire squarely on the manager who was mismanaging him. Some on here will say the same drum is getting beat. But no, it is simply a fact being stated.

Wenger got the best out of him. Sanchez wanted a bigger contract (understandable) and got one from MU. He has been a shadow of the player he was. I'm glad he's no longer with us.


We see things with a different set of lenses, and that is ok :58big-emoticons:

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Alright then. Mert and Kos accepted when did we last produce or buy a top quality defender.

I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.


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Alright then. Mert and Kos accepted when did we last produce or buy a top quality defender.

I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.
Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.

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I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.
Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.

Vermaelen was also very good for a while.

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Anyone got any good links for tonight's game?

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Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.

Vermaelen was also very good for a while.


I had totally forgotten about him. His injuries I suppose made me forget him. But yes he was good until his injuries got the best of him.

I always thought Sagna too short to be a cb. But he was a decent fb. Montreal is definitely a good solid professional. But I was looking for the type of player you build a team around. Someone who can organise and be relied on. And apart from Kos and Mert (and TV4) is there anyone I have missed? Or are we going back as far as Sol, Toure and TA6. I am ignoring Gallas because he was unreliable and not a defensive leader.

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I'm trying to think if there's been one between Sol Campbell and the two you mention. Gallas was pretty good.
Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.


Remember Pascal on the left wing. Was it against Bolton or Blackburn in a cup match?

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Kolo was outstanding and was a snip at 250k. I know Cygan was a bit below absolute top quality, but he rarely let us down, and at £2m proved a more than decent acquisition.


Remember Pascal on the left wing. Was it against Bolton or Blackburn in a cup match?


No it was v man united at home! And we were leading

He subbed pires for pascal on the left que Louis Saha equaliser !!


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Remember Pascal on the left wing. Was it against Bolton or Blackburn in a cup match?


No it was v man united at home! And we were leading

He subbed pires for pascal on the left que Louis Saha equaliser !!

Urgh I hate those sort of subs, particularly if you aren’t exactly getting over run. See it so often. Both teams fairly even, bring off a striker for a defender and that invited the pressure that you need the extra defender for.
I get putting the extra defender on if you are getting battered, but when you’re not why change


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We see things with a different set of lenses, and that is ok :58big-emoticons:


Most of us loved him and wanted him to stay. Except for Rich or Bubblechris or maybe someone else. Was he hated like RvP or Fabregas? I can't remember but I don't think so. Anyway, both us and MU got a bad deal with Mkhitaryan and Sanchez.

I’d have loved Sanchez to stay, but once it was clear he wasn’t going to sign a new deal, or we couldn’t afford his new deal then we had to find a way to sell him to the highest bidder


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Europa cup semi final and I'm not excited. In fact, not sure I will even watch. Depressing week.

You have my condolences. :angel8:

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Sigh. Here we go. :20hospitals:

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Up against it now. Done by a sharp counter attack.


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Shocking start

There are no ball carriers in this team as Özil wants to lay it off and mix that in with 2x 33 year old centre backs and one youthful 30 year old.

This is on Lacazette and Aubameyang to pull us out of this


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Maitland Niles being badly exposed. Needs help.

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Valencia looking dangerous every time they go forward, they're killing us down our right hand side. Maitland-Niles needs more support.


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Robbie Savage quite right, no cover for Miles who ambled back.

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Counter attack goal conceded yet again.
Sometimes when we play 5 at the back there is not enough control in central midfield. With the pace of this game it feels like one of those times


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Formation is like a 5-2-3, midfield over run, front 3 offer virtually nothing defensively, and a back 5 are getting beaten in wide positions!


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This is on Lacazette and Aubameyang to pull us out of this

They must have heard you. :53big-emoticons:

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Aubameyang doesn’t half miss a lot of big chances

Aubameyang misses tons of chances etc


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