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DHD · **#329401**

Bernard wrote:

DHD wrote:

Tricky one Bern

The ump is supposed to use the blue lines as a guide but he’s also supposed to take account of the batsman’s stance at delivery and as the ball arrives.

The point about ‘wides’ is that the batsmen is supposed to be able to reach the bowled ball from a normal batting stance. But we all know that batsmen dance all around the crease these days as the bowler is about to deliver - backwards and forwards but more relevantly, to off and to leg, sometimes by a metre or more. Sometimes this is so he/she can be in a position to hit a ball bowled outside off to leg or a ball bowled outside leg to off. Realistically, there is no such thing any more as a ‘normal’ stance, particularly when the batter switches from a right to a left hand guard.

Archer’s first ball was on the blue line but crucially, Needham had moved across to be well outside his off stump as the ball passed him. From a normal - static - middle stump guard, he couldn’t reach a ball bowled on the blue line, though technically it should still have been a legal delivery. In the event, from where he was, he definitely COULD have reached that ball so it should not have been called as a wide.

I’m not disagreeing with you DHD. But from what you see being called a wide in countless one day games now, whoever is playing, I’d have been very surprised if it hadn’t been called a wide. I see it as the way the game has developed or moved on. Again, I’m not saying it’s right. Just that it is what has happened, for better or worse.

I see that Bern but the point is that no matter where the batter stands, a ball bowled on or inside the blue guideline is not a wide.

If the batter moves to the leg side and the bowled ball is on or inside the offside blue line, the batter looks stupid; that’s brilliant bowling.

But if the batter moves to the off, the ump is supposed to allow a wider interpretation of the allowable width. Neesham moved appreciably to his off side so the notional blue line limit should also have moved.

In my opinion, that wasn’t a wide - though we all know, scorecard says it was.

Gaz from Oz · **#329402**

Terry Henry wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Well Kiwi nothing much I can say. Did not watch it but it seems like a heartbreaking end.

Time to think positive. You can wake up next month & know you have a great prime minister & they will have Boris and his bike helmet. :58big-emoticons:

That’s hilarious - have you ever thought about becoming a comedian? Have you got over that humiliation in the semi yet? :12hello-bye:

Mate in a week of bad results it wasn’t even in the top 2. Queenslander Ash Barty lost at Wimbledon, Queensland lost the State of Origin in the last minute and NSW cheat Dave Warner with Australian teammates lost a semi. I don’t think it really even registered much interest. I may be Australian when it suits but I am first and foremost a Queenslander and North Queenslander at that.

We have won a few WC’s so while it is good to win it wasn’t life or death which apparently it is for some of the other second rate nation. Call it the Leicester year and leave it at that.

Gaz from Oz · **#329403**

What is really sad is that instead of talking about our signings and their impact we are talking about cricket and some strange decisions in a sport where betting dominates.

Zed · **#329404**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

What is really sad is that instead of talking about our signings and their impact we are talking about cricket and some strange decisions in a sport where betting dominates.

Or we could talk about Josh Kroenke turning up at Arsenal training in LaLa Land wearing a t-shirt saying Rams, even though the colours he had were red/white. Really, have you no shame Josh. :14laughter:

Sorry I couldn't resist Gaz...

Zed · **#329405**

Gaz from Oz · **#329406**

Zed wrote:

:15laughter:

And hes the future. Thanks for the photo - didn't exactly cheer me up.

kiwipete · **#329407**

Daz wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Welcome back Daz !

Thank you, no way I was missing the opportunity to tousle the hair of my favourite forumite who is probably head-first in a barrel of rum burbling away about Chilean poofters

I thought yesterday it's odds on this event will bring you back ...... so I was right ...... again

Didn't watch the match thank God but the son came home yesterday cursing Trent Boult

.... but being the well adjusted model of serenity that I am ; when he explained the situation ; I gave a gallic shrug and said Kurt .. " c'est la vie ...don't begrudge the Poms their day in the sun ... they won , we threw it away ...... move on ".

So if you think you are going to get a rise out of me ; you gloating , gender challenged , microscopic penied Spanish speaking Pommie fairy ........think again

.. "One Carlos Braithwaite , there's only one Carlos Braithwaite "

Oh and by the way to any soft cock lisping ..... "wonderful to see you back Daz " .... I say pull your head in , let the t****er f*&^%**** off for another millenium .

Daz · **#329408**

kiwipete wrote:

Oh and by the way to any soft cock lisping ..... "wonderful to see you back Daz " .... I say pull your head in , let the t****er f*&^%**** off for another millenium .

Agreed.

Bernard · **#329409**

Greeny wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

Some say the true measure of a fan is how much he/she supports a club in bad times. I don't have a problem with that statement and while I can be accused of not being a true fan because I really don't care to search the net or my local tv stations for the match against the Rapids, my excuse is that the club isn't doing right by me (and others) via the owner. This owner is making it difficult to support the club because he isn't committed to us.

I will make a modicum of an effort but I'll wait for the highlights probably.

You are NOT an Arsenal fan.
Please get a new hobby.
It is sad seeing you post on here.
Every day you're getting older and you have nothing to show for your existence apart from a few (?) posts on an internet forum read by, at most, 30 people.

With that being only your seventh post I suppose it’s unlikely you were already blocked. But I think after that it’s a fairly safe bet that you soon will be. A bit safer than saying someone who doesn’t buy, get given, find or steal a ticket is unlikely to win the jackpot for tonight’s Euromillions draw. Unless he’s already seen it and blocked you already.

I would have thought one of the important reasons for posting here is not only that a relatively small number of people will read your views, but debate them with you. That will cover agreeing and disagreeing with you. Yet he’s blocked so many of the members who disagree with him, he must get something else from the forum.

Abu · **#329410**

Bernard wrote:

Greeny wrote:

You are NOT an Arsenal fan.
Please get a new hobby.
It is sad seeing you post on here.
Every day you're getting older and you have nothing to show for your existence apart from a few (?) posts on an internet forum read by, at most, 30 people.

With that being only your seventh post I suppose it’s unlikely you were already blocked. But I think after that it’s a fairly safe bet that you soon will be. A bit safer than saying someone who doesn’t buy, get given, find or steal a ticket is unlikely to win the jackpot for tonight’s Euromillions draw. Unless he’s already seen it and blocked you already.

I would have thought one of the important reasons for posting here is not only that a relatively small number of people will read your views, but debate them with you. That will cover agreeing and disagreeing with you. Yet he’s blocked so many of the members who disagree with him, he must get something else from the forum.

a stiffy when he sees my name...

AmericanGooner · **#329411**

Saw the highlights. Didn't see anything I didn't expect. Wasn't much of a crowd which is surprising to some extent because you don't get European clubs playing friendlies in Colorado. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago? Yes. Colorado? I'd be surprised if there were any major clubs that played there preceding us.

There is typically good turnouts in Los Angeles. If the crowds are small then, no one really gives a ### about us. Even if you support another PL club, people come to see the rare chance of seeing a major European side. I went to a Man Utd vs. Club America (Mexico) friendly in LA a long time ago and it was well attended and I saw not only other gooners (donning the shirt) but Chelsea, Milan, etc, supporters.

I see in the papers we are linked to Dani Alves. He's what? 36? We might...just might be able to get most of a season out of him. Maybe he'll offer some "leadership", assuming he comes as rumored.

Gaz from Oz · **#329412**

Goonie wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

What is really sad is that instead of talking about our signings and their impact we are talking about cricket and some strange decisions in a sport where betting dominates.

Our young players did well against Colorado... in the past that would have been the cue for someone to post "The future's bright. The future's red and white". Now nobody bothers... :sad5:

I think we are all destroyed by many years of “false dawns”. We have not seen a player who has been with the club since real youth, like 10yo who has gone on to be a great for many years. Even Fabergas and others were poached from other clubs when they were very near adulthood. The real test with any youths introduced is not the first 10 games, it is when opposing coaches get to watch a number of DVDs of them and look for weaknesses. See Chambers as a classic example.

And that is why Holding could be the be our captain and CB for 10 years or gone at the end of the season.

Bernard · **#329413**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Goonie wrote:

Our young players did well against Colorado... in the past that would have been the cue for someone to post "The future's bright. The future's red and white". Now nobody bothers... :sad5:

I think we are all destroyed by many years of “false dawns”. We have not seen a player who has been with the club since real youth, like 10yo who has gone on to be a great for many years. Even Fabergas and others were poached from other clubs when they were very near adulthood. The real test with any youths introduced is not the first 10 games, it is when opposing coaches get to watch a number of DVDs of them and look for weaknesses. See Chambers as a classic example.
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And that is why Holding could be the be our captain and CB for 10 years or gone at the end of the season.

Regarding Holding, as I’ve said I’m with DHD and think somewhere in between is the most likely outcome. Doesn’t have the personality or ability to be our captain or central defender for the next ten years (unless we really do become rubbish). But I think he’s good enough to be around for a few years yet, even if it’s just as a squad back-up.

TOP GUN · **#329414**

Bernard wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

I think we are all destroyed by many years of “false dawns”. We have not seen a player who has been with the club since real youth, like 10yo who has gone on to be a great for many years. Even Fabergas and others were poached from other clubs when they were very near adulthood. The real test with any youths introduced is not the first 10 games, it is when opposing coaches get to watch a number of DVDs of them and look for weaknesses. See Chambers as a classic example.
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And that is why Holding could be the be our captain and CB for 10 years or gone at the end of the season.

Regarding Holding, as I’ve said I’m with DHD and think somewhere in between is the most likely outcome. Doesn’t have the personality or ability to be our captain or central defender for the next ten years (unless we really do become rubbish). But I think he’s good enough to be around for a few years yet, even if it’s just as a squad back-up.

If we had that attitude we would never have signed Ian Wright.

Gary Cahill was 25 when he went to chelsea. Holding has shown plenty of promise at 23

However he will fail unless he moves because we are arsenal and all over the place right now.

Abu · **#329415**

AmericanGooner wrote:

Saw the highlights. Didn't see anything I didn't expect. Wasn't much of a crowd which is surprising to some extent because you don't get European clubs playing friendlies in Colorado. New York, Los Angeles, Chicago? Yes. Colorado? I'd be surprised if there were any major clubs that played there preceding us.

There is typically good turnouts in Los Angeles. If the crowds are small then, no one really gives a ### about us. Even if you support another PL club, people come to see the rare chance of seeing a major European side. I went to a Man Utd vs. Club America (Mexico) friendly in LA a long time ago and it was well attended and I saw not only other gooners (donning the shirt) but Chelsea, Milan, etc, supporters.

I see in the papers we are linked to Dani Alves. He's what? 36? We might...just might be able to get most of a season out of him. Maybe he'll offer some "leadership", assuming he comes as rumored.

Boner

Bernard · **#329416**

TOP GUN wrote:

Bernard wrote:

Regarding Holding, as I’ve said I’m with DHD and think somewhere in between is the most likely outcome. Doesn’t have the personality or ability to be our captain or central defender for the next ten years (unless we really do become rubbish). But I think he’s good enough to be around for a few years yet, even if it’s just as a squad back-up.

If we had that attitude we would never have signed Ian Wright.

Gary Cahill was 25 when he went to chelsea. Holding has shown plenty of promise at 23

However he will fail unless he moves because we are arsenal and all over the place right now.

You’re one of the people who overrate him in that case. There were games last season when he partnered Mustafi when Mustafi played better.

long time gooner · **#329417**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Zed wrote:

:15laughter:

And hes the future. Thanks for the photo - didn't exactly cheer me up.

At least he didn’t turn up in a Tottenham shirt. :8angers:

TOP GUN · **#329418**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

If we had that attitude we would never have signed Ian Wright.

Gary Cahill was 25 when he went to chelsea. Holding has shown plenty of promise at 23

However he will fail unless he moves because we are arsenal and all over the place right now.

You’re one of the people who overrate him in that case. There were games last season when he partnered Mustafi when Mustafi played better.

Holding never forgot to get goalside during a cup final though.

TOP GUN · **#329419**

Ceballos signing on loan. There was a time when we didn’t have to get Spanish rejects on loan

AmericanGooner · **#329420**

Waste of time. Kroenke couldn't care less.

https://www.foxsportsasia.com/football/ ... w-stadium/

Arsenal fans fume as owner pays $2.6 billion for his American football side’s new stadium

TOP GUN · **#329421**

Goonie wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Ceballos signing on loan. There was a time when we didn’t have to get Spanish rejects on loan

If true, we are getting a very good player. Hardly a cause for complaint. Many RM rejects went on to have successful spells at other clubs. Until last season, Özil wasn't too bad either.

If he does well he goes back to Spain. If he does bad we will have wasted a load of our money

No future, no squad building no vision

Bernard · **#329422**

TOP GUN wrote:

Holding never forgot to get goalside during a cup final though.

I thought he’d only played one cup final. Not forgetting to get goal side in a single game hardly makes him the new Bekenbauer.

TOP GUN · **#329423**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Holding never forgot to get goalside during a cup final though.

I thought he’d only played one cup final. Not forgetting to get goal side in a single game hardly makes him the new Bekenbauer.

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Mustafi is the jizz inside a used condom left discarded outside a boozer in deptford. Disgraces himself most weeks. He’s not the actual Johnny because that’s a useful instrument... he’s the old jizz

Keep trying to defend him

Bernard · **#329424**

Does anyone really think things will materially change when Stan pegs it? I remain unconvinced.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 91356.html

Bernard · **#329425**

TOP GUN wrote:

Bernard wrote:

I thought he’d only played one cup final. Not forgetting to get goal side in a single game hardly makes him the new Bekenbauer.

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Mustafi is the jizz inside a used condom left discarded outside a boozer in deptford. Disgraces himself most weeks. He’s not the actual Johnny because that’s a useful instrument... he’s the old jizz

Keep trying to defend him

If you think I’m trying to defend Mustafi you haven’t been reading my posts carefully. But there were games when they partnered each other in the first half of last season when Mustafi played better than Holding.

Did you say something recently about having an emotional attachment to Holding, even if they weren’t the precise words you used? If so, maybe that explains your overreaction to my earlier post. He’s good but not great. At best, on occasion, very good. That’s the basis of what I’m saying.

TOP GUN · **#329426**

Bernard wrote:

Does anyone really think things will materially change when Stan pegs it? I remain unconvinced.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/footba ... 91356.html

Tim stillman tweeted this which is exactly how I feel about this statement

I can keep telling you I am very ambitious about becoming an astronaut. But you can see it’s not true because it’s very clear I’ve done nothing to achieve it and no amount of words conceal that.

Exactly how I feel about the statement

Bored · **#329427**

I think the Josh statement is PR drivel, but when he said fans should be excited by the incoming transfers he is saying something which supporters can and will measure him by. If the signings turn out to be unexciting it will make people even more sceptical.

TOP GUN · **#329428**

Bored wrote:

I think the Josh statement is PR drivel, but when he said fans should be excited by the incoming transfers he is saying something which supporters can and will measure him by. If the signings turn out to be unexciting it will make people even more sceptical.

If the Spanish midfielder Celballos or whatever comes that’s a loan without an option to buy. Why on earth would anyone get excited by that? It’s just cobbling an 11 together. It’s also a written admission the club screwed up with Ramsey

Your 100% right

Wilts-Gooner · **#329429**

Why are we getting statements from Josh Kroenke when Stan Kroenke is sole owner of KSE, of which (sadly) Arsenal FC are a subsidiary company?, the man is a total coward and his son is just a mouthpiece for him.

KSE's priority is clearly the LA Rams project, they are spending $5BN on the development of the 'complex', Arsenal are clearly just being used as a form of collateral against the money they are borrowing for this.

We should be excited?, why?, is daddy selling up already?!.

#KroenkeOUT

long time gooner · **#329430**

I’ve been struggling with sleeping in the recent heat. I’ve just found the perfect solution. Play the video of Josh Kroenke’s PR drivel.

Flannel and hogwash with no actual substance.

Terry Henry · **#329431**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Terry Henry wrote:

That’s hilarious - have you ever thought about becoming a comedian? Have you got over that humiliation in the semi yet? :12hello-bye:

Mate in a week of bad results it wasn’t even in the top 2. Queenslander Ash Barty lost at Wimbledon, Queensland lost the State of Origin in the last minute and NSW cheat Dave Warner with Australian teammates lost a semi. I don’t think it really even registered much interest. I may be Australian when it suits but I am first and foremost a Queenslander and North Queenslander at that.

We have won a few WC’s so while it is good to win it wasn’t life or death which apparently it is for some of the other second rate nation. Call it the Leicester year and leave it at that.

Never heard of Queensland but it sounds as though your sportsman are pretty second rate themselves! :1laughter:

Rich · **#329432**

Bored wrote:

I think the Josh statement is PR drivel, but when he said fans should be excited by the incoming transfers he is saying something which supporters can and will measure him by. If the signings turn out to be unexciting it will make people even more sceptical.

Might they just hide behind ‘excitement’ being subjective. Where does Martinelli rank in the excitement stakes? One for the future, I’m only excited by transfers that will address key weaknesses in the first 11 for the here and now, namely 2 new CB, a LB, a RB to challenge Bellerin, a Powerful CM, a creative goalscoring CM and a pacey wife player. Get those 7 in, get rid of the underperforming players (we all know the names) and supplement them with our talented youth. Then we can get excited

Gaz from Oz · **#329433**

Terry Henry wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Mate in a week of bad results it wasn’t even in the top 2. Queenslander Ash Barty lost at Wimbledon, Queensland lost the State of Origin in the last minute and NSW cheat Dave Warner with Australian teammates lost a semi. I don’t think it really even registered much interest. I may be Australian when it suits but I am first and foremost a Queenslander and North Queenslander at that.

We have won a few WC’s so while it is good to win it wasn’t life or death which apparently it is for some of the other second rate nation. Call it the Leicester year and leave it at that.

Never heard of Queensland but it sounds as though your sportsman are pretty second rate themselves! :1laughter:

I can’t account for the education system in some of the underdeveloped nations. I celebrate the fact you have learnt to read.

I think it is best we talk more about the cricket because there is nothing happening at the club.

I assume in the Corinthians spirit you will be happy to give the WC to New Zealand who actually should have apparently won it.

Terry Henry · **#329434**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Terry Henry wrote:

Never heard of Queensland but it sounds as though your sportsman are pretty second rate themselves! :1laughter:

I can’t account for the education system in some of the underdeveloped nations. I celebrate the fact you have learnt to read.

I think it is best we talk more about the cricket because there is nothing happening at the club.
I’ve
I assume in the Corinthians spirit you will be happy to give the WC to New Zealand who actually should have apparently won it.

On which basis? Even if 5 runs had been given and not 6 Stokes would have whacked the last ball for 4 or 6 if he knew we needed 3 runs and not 2. You need to get over it before it eats you up!

lomekian · **#329435**

Wilts-Gooner wrote:

Why are we getting statements from Josh Kroenke when Stan Kroenke is sole owner of KSE, of which (sadly) Arsenal FC are a subsidiary company?, the man is a total coward and his son is just a mouthpiece for him.

KSE's priority is clearly the LA Rams project, they are spending $5BN on the development of the 'complex', Arsenal are clearly just being used as a form of collateral against the money they are borrowing for this.

We should be excited?, why?, is daddy selling up already?!.

#KroenkeOUT

Josh does the statements because for all intents and purposes, he's being positioned as 'the man' going forwards. He's been the active part of KSE for their progress in Ice Hockey (where the Avs already have one the best teams, but crucially have a spectacular pipe line of prospects) and Basketball. The only thing Stan has talked about is the Rams, which he is so closely personally identified with that he has no choice. Josh has done the rest for a while now.

Stan may be the owner, but from an Arsenal perspective, what Josh says is far more important. Whether he says anything of value is another point entirely...

lomekian · **#329436**

Goonie wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Ceballos signing on loan. There was a time when we didn’t have to get Spanish rejects on loan

If true, we are getting a very good player. Hardly a cause for complaint. Many RM rejects went on to have successful spells at other clubs. Until last season, Özil wasn't too bad either.

Would be better if we had an official option to buy, but it give us a chance to make him love us. We tried to buy him before. Maybe a season long stop gap, but I'd be very happy as there is a clear need for one more body of that type for the season ahead, and if it allows us to spend our bugger all budget on other positions, I'm all for it.

lomekian · **#329437**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

If we had that attitude we would never have signed Ian Wright.

Gary Cahill was 25 when he went to chelsea. Holding has shown plenty of promise at 23

However he will fail unless he moves because we are arsenal and all over the place right now.

You’re one of the people who overrate him in that case. There were games last season when he partnered Mustafi when Mustafi played better.

That's the thing though. Mustafi is capable of being an excellent defender for 90 minutes of a game most of the time. The problem is that most matches last 93-97 minutes given injury time in each half, and he is just incapable of concentrating for all 97 minutes on a regular basis. He's in no way crap, but he lacks the mental strength and concentration to succeed at the top level with any regularity. In many ways, Holding is an inferior defender (not as quick or agile, and a less varied skillset), but he is also less prone to spectacular WTF moments that Mustafi specialises in.

Mustafi is 95% an excellent defender, but the other 5% is simply not top flight standard, with perhaps 1% being non-league standard.

lomekian · **#329438**

DHD wrote:

Sorry to bang on but one other small point that reflects extremely well on NZ - check out when Boult takes that rope ‘catch’. It was a potentially explosive and contentious moment but Guptill was very close-by, and immediately- IMMEDIATELY- signalled a six.

That is natural and instinctive sportsmanship - and these days, it’s rare!

Respect to Martin Gupthill, to NZ and to Brendon McCallum whose influence and example pervades both teams.

A lot easier to be nice about the opposition when you fluke a win, but given the Kiwi's excellence in performance and sportsmanship, isn't about time they got more decent tours? We see them about once every 6 years over here, and its taken them 30+ years to get a boxing day test with their noisy neighbours.

Being that lucky against the black caps makes one feel a modicum of guilt among the pleasure. If it had been against the Aussies, it'd be guilt free for sure. I just hope the NZ lads are able to get over it as quickly as possible and get the welcome back home that they deserve and will probably get. 1 real star batsman. 1 real star bowler. Their most destructive top order player has a stinker of a month and only a diving half-kiwi timing an accidental connection as sweet as nut stopped them winning the whole thing. Certainly makes you realise how good Williamson's captaincy was compared to other countries with greater resources.

lomekian · **#329439**

Ash wrote:

Rich wrote:

Overmars really talking up selling Ziyech. 21 goals and 24 assists last year, overmars saying he’s surprised no-one has properly come in for him yet. If we’re being quoted silly prices for wingers like zaha and Fraser, Ziyech can be got for around £20m and listening to Overmars he’s ready to sell

Apparently Arsenal have ‘analysed’ Ziyech and found him wanting. Probably not enough outside to in, third quarter past the stat leading fullback sprint dribble passes per 90. Or something. Also why is Overmars talking him up so much when they’re making 200m from sales so far anyway?? Seems a bit over eager. But yes you wouldn’t say no for less than 30M.

The problem for us is that he's either a number 10 or a playmaking wide man who is not proven in a good enough league to be a dead cert. Given that we have our two albatross contracts that no-one will take off us in exactly those two roles, Ziyech simply can't be a priority. Same with Fekir.

Zed · **#329440**

long time gooner wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

And hes the future. Thanks for the photo - didn't exactly cheer me up.

At least he didn’t turn up in a Tottenham shirt. :8angers:

At least he wore the red and white.

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