Kroenke is the epitome of all that is wrong with the world. And he owns our club. What times we live in.

To be honest Rich I don't see Chambers as a £15-20m player. I think he's been unimpressive both for us and Fulham -£10m at most for me. Jenks won't fetch much either and Elneny is at best a squaddie for a mid table PL team. So I think £25-30m for the three of them is very optimistic, and that's assuming we can even find buyers.

Chambers is only 24 and has a contract until 2022. He’s homegrown and was Fulham’s player of the season..

https://www.fulhamfc.com/news/2019/may/ ... the-season

He may not be good enough for arsenal but he’s surely worth 15-20 million in this market ? Palace offered 20 a couple of season back and we turned it down.

However I reckon Tia Carrere would fetch a more substantial transfer fee than jenkinson who well be lucky to get over 2 million for

We got the wrong type of American owner. Lookat the Liverpool ones.
Understand the fans and what the club means to them.
Didn't they a few years ago back down on a proposal after theirs fans kicked up a fuss.
Then again before that they did have hicks and gillet.
To be fair we have spent 150 million on 4 players in the last few years so money has been made available
Wenger *%^@*** wasted half of it on xhaka and mustafi.
*%^@ off Kroenke

Understatement of the decade.

We can solve the problem by changing the kits to match the Los Angeles Rams. Perhaps we can fool him into spending money.

This certainly resonates now.
Hill-Wood changed his view of Kroenke fast.

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Bloody hell! What happened did you lose a leg!? Congrats and well done if not.

Let us know how you get on with the new top. Having done active sweaty stuff in a replica kit before the thought of one actually designed for it and that is so beautiful appeals a lot. Not sure about a hundred quid a lot but we’ll see.

No, haven’t lost a leg, at least not that I’ve noticed.

A simple diet of calorie counting. Just cut out every day sweets, biscuits and cakes. Now only eat chocolate once a week as a treat.

Don’t want to bore anyone, but my knees are better, my back is better, my cholesterol is lower, and my blood sugar much reduced. Can lift my feet to wash them in the shower without toppling over!

Used to take Omeprazole for bad indigestion and heart burn, no need now. Very rarely get either now, and nowhere near as bad. Also cut down on the booze.

I’m 6’2”, and reached 15 and a half stone after Xmas. I’m now 13 stone 4 and close to my 13 stone target.

I don’t want to sound like an evangelist, but I’m really glad I’ve done it. My health is so much better.

As for the shirt, I wasn’t planning on doing any exercise in them as I hate nylon/polyester, and that so-called ‘heat wicking’ is just a load of nonsense. Cotton is best for sweat.

I’ll save some money, buy the bog standard shirt, and wait for Sports Direct to start selling them, which should be fairly soon.

Cheers

And just look at what relatively average English players are being sold for
Ings £20m
Solanke £19m
Targett £14m
Clucas £15m
Alfie Mawson £20m to Fulham last year - he wasn’t as good as Chambers

It’s almost like you can work our what a player is worth, add another 20% if he’s homegrown, add another 20% if he’s under 25 and add another 20% if he’s tied to a decent contract.

Chambers should definitely be £20m for someone

Dein escapes criticism from 99.99 percent of fans (humbly call myself the exception). He brought in both. Dein left us with only 2 choices. Had he not, The Arsenal would have been much better off. I can't imagine otherwise.

Just watched the highlights of the Boreham Woods game. Yep waiting for people to tell me it was only a young team. Yes it was but the defending was atrocious. How even our combined u23 & u 18 team is incapable of winning such a game is beyond me. The defending was symptomatic of the defending across the club.

If this is the level of performance that is acceptable then I can’t see how any of the young players will be good enough to progress into the first team and actually produce acceptable performances.

I think our friend from across the Atlantic is grossly exaggerating the percentage of fans who exclude Dein from any blame. I think it’s simply that far more Arsenal supporters attach a lot more of the blame to Fiszman. As I do because it was Fiszman’s fault that Kroenke became the majority shareholder, which directly led to him becoming the sole owner. On his death bed, Fiszman sold his shares to Kroenke, deciding that excluding Dein from having a route back into the club was immeasurably more important to him than the future health of the club. Arsenal was banjaxed as soon as Danny decided to do that.

Only a few weeks left now until the transfer window closes and we are yet to make any meaningful transfers in or out. I don't include Martinelli because no one yet knows if he's a potential first teamer or a promising youth team player and one for the future. Ospina out was a deal that was always likely to happen.

With the amount of work that needs to be done you would have thought we'd at least have got few deals over the line by now, ins or outs.

I keep see us being linked with players like Tierney and Saliba but I would have thought that had we really been serious we could have got the deals done and moved onto other issues. Instead we appear to be faffing about with lowball offers for players and being surprised when clubs don't bite our hand off. Different regime, same old story.

I don't judge. This a safe space for anyone who went. Seriously.

Still just over a month until it closes on 8th August. No panic just yet regarding whether there’s the time to get deals over the line.

What might be more worrying is if it’s unlikely there will be much activity, whether there’s a month or a year left in the window? Many want to see the back of Özil, Mustafi and Xhaka. How many clubs will match their wages at Arsenal? Xhaka isn’t impossible, but it’s a long way from definite. Özil, not these days. Mustafi would surely interest a number of foreign clubs where my guess is his reputation is still higher, but possibly not on the wages he gets at Arsenal.

Elneny? Again not on his Arsenal wages and I’d say the same of Jenkinson and Koscielny. Regarding players in, if the Brazilian kid cost £6m and Tierney will cost upwards of £20m, it’s no wonder our interest in Zaha has allegedly cooled and we’re looking again at Fraser. We can’t afford Zaha. I’m sure we will see a few dirt cheap arrivals though.

I will say it again. This is what Kroenke’s ownership has done and is doing to Arsenal.

It’s Özil, Xhaka and Mustafi in the must go department but also Mhikitaryan as well. He’s on 170k a week a fortune considering what he produces

He’s just an average attacking midfielder, I’d take Nasri over him any day. I doubt very much he will leave.

Xhaka I feel someone will take a gamble on at some point, his Hollywood cross balls and shots will attract a buyer.

I would have thought Mustafi will have to be sold for a peppercorn fee of something like 10 million otherwise the buyer won’t afford his 90k a week wages.

Özil is a problem that can’t be solved unless a big Turkish club can attract a sponsor to help pay his wages. His contract isn’t due to end to 2021 so what could happen is the club could decide to pay him off next summer to avoid a mediocre final season but I can’t see him leaving before.

We can scream about Kroenke but all this things are hangovers from Wengers flawed decision making. Watching these guys go through the motions whilst raking in huge money will be tough next year

Think it will end up being something like...

Tierney
Saliba bought then loaned out
Un named centre half journeyman signed for around 12 million (probably recommended by Edu)
Malcolm on loan (if we’re broke and desperate this seems logical)

Can’t see us signing Zaha or Fraser as their clubs will ask for too much.

Our summer success was always going to be determined on how well we were able to move on some of our non performers but their status and reputations are as popular as a man who goes around saying ‘Oooh, you’re looking a bit chunky’ at a convention for recovering anorexics so we can’t sell them

A month sounds a lot but in reality with all the shannanigans that goes on in transfer dealings these days its no time at all.

Outgoings is not quite so urgent as I think we can still sell outside of the PL up until the start of Sept.

I think you are right about the problems of selling some of our high wage earners whose actual contributions are pretty questionable. Who would want them on the wages they are on? Practically nobody unless say PSG or someone like that decides to take a chance on Özil. I suspect the best we can hope for is loans where we pay a portion of the wages.

I read something this morning regarding Mislantat that was a bit worrying. Apparently Mislantat was all about pure scouting and stats whilst when Sanllehi came in he put more trust in his network of agents. Hence, the parting of the ways.

These Vazquez rumours are VERY under whelming
Id rather we get Tierney and Saliba over the line then go hard for Zaha any way we can.
Rather give Saka and Nelson a big go then *%^@*** frittering money on another Madrid or Barcelona no mark with no resale value.
I really hope these rumours are b%*&s%*^.

The defense should be the priority. If we can get decent attacking players AFTER, all well and good but the defense is the most urgent area to address.

Whenever I've seen Vasquez play he's looked like a quality player - certainly not a no mark. Can't see us getting him though.

Afternoon Brom
What type of player is he?

Afternoon David.
Attacking midfielder I'd say, coming from wide, excellent on the ball. Not an out an out winger, but would be effective playing wide in a front 3. Not dissimilar to Asensio.

Anybody noticed there's 3 Arsenal ladies playing for the Dutch against the great Satan in the women's world cup final. 5 mins to half time still 0-0. The Arsenal keeper has made some excellent saves.

Maybe I misheard but I thought the commentary team for one of their previous games said the Dutch keeper has just left us.

EDIT: Vicky Scott just confirmed she has left us and is unattached presently. Said we’ve signed the French keeper.

Yes Bernard just heard the summarisers say as much. Evidently she's been second choice and her contract is up. Our number one must be very decent to have been chosen ahead of her.

EDIT beat me to it.

I think I feel the same.
We should be going for 2 new CB, a left back and a RB to play until Bellerin is fit. Is happily take Alves on a free for a year - that wouldn’t be a Lichtsteiner style signing, Alves is winning man of the match performances in the copa America semi final.

Get those 4 defenders in and then see if we have anything left in attacking positions. In the front 6 we have some young players knocking on the door, AMN moving to CM, Nelson, Willock, Emile Smith Rowe, Saka, Ameachi. We don’t have that quality in defensive positions.

If we score the same amount as last season but cut out 15-20 goals we’d finish top 3

Tyrone Mings is close to sealing a £20m move from Bournemouth to Villa, think he was on loan there last year. We should hang our heads in shame if we can’t get £20m for Chambers

Thanks Brom
I think seeing he was 28 put me off as well.
Thinking we should be focusing on younger talent with possible resale value.
I know Zaha is 26 or 27 but
I think Zaha would be explosive for us.
Knows the league and he would be lethal with Aubameyang and Lacazette alongside him.
We need a proper outlet who would unsettle defenders and he would be perfect.
I think the only way we will get him is if he literally tries to force himself out of Palace and makes it clear he won't play for them again.
Not sure he is willing to do that to Palace.

I like the way Alex Scott refers to Arsenal as ‘we’. Makes her sound like Charlie George or Steve Williams.

So our two best players are two pretty much out and out strikers. I think Emery struggled to get a formation to suit this last year. In the end he settled on the 3-5-2 which makes sense, however even with 3 at the back we weren’t secure and we didn’t have anywhere near good enough wing backs who are vital to this formation. The midfield 3 worked much better with a Ramsey style late arriver in the box than an Özil style traditional No.10. We lacked genuine width.

Emery’s preceded formation is 4-3-3. We have been linked to a lot of genuine wide players to fill this need in our squad.
The question this leaves me with is if we play with wingers, or go back to a back 4, how do we get Aubameyang and Lacazette on the pitch without having to push one of them wide?!

The only way I can see it is an old fashioned 4-4-2 with two wingers, which is 4-2-4 in attack! Our defence isn’t good enough for that.

We could go 4-3-3 but it means one of the strikers playing wide.

The US women's team deserved the win. On a side note, the American team has some attractive players but the Dutch side aren't too bad on the eyes either. Further side note, the English side seemed better than the Dutch side.

Emery’s preference is 4 at the back. If you ever see us playing 3 centre halves it’s because Emery doesn’t believe the personnel he has are adequate and needs to keep it tight. Why we need a wide left forward and a left back good enough.

Playing 3 centre halves literally means you won’t get the best out of Torreira or Özil because they don’t suit the formation.

So repeat

... If Emery plays 3 centre halves he believes his squad isn’t good enough.

... If Emery plays 3 centre halves he believes his squad isn’t good enough.

... If Emery plays 3 centre halves he believes his squad isn’t good enough.

... If Emery plays 3 centre halves he believes his squad isn’t good enough.

... If Emery plays 3 centre halves he believes his squad isn’t good enough.

...... but still watch our fans moaning about Emery playing too many defenders next year.

Just to clarify some mention in your post. Are you saying that if Emery plays 3 centre halves he believes his squad is not good enough?

What took you guys so long to figure that out?

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I was saying this 10 years ago..

Kroenke owns a string of rubbish (mediocre at best) franchises, without focus on one in particular, LA Rams most likely anyway if he does, how did people NOT think he was bad news.

Arsenal have the most apathetic fanbase, anyway back to Dein, why has he not come out and acknowledged HE got it wrong bringing wiggy to the club, that makes him just as bad as Fiszman, Hill-Wood etc.

Never trust a man who smokes a cigar...

I still say the majority of the blame rests with Fiszman. Dein enabled Fiszman to acquire a direct link to the club, but it was Fiszman who gave Kroenke direct control over the club. What’s worse, giving him a link or direct control? For me it has to be giving him direct control.

For me it’s almost like blaming a player who lost possession up the other end of the pitch for a goal that came from a massive error by a defender or keeper as much as the keeper or defender. For example, Palace’s goal at the Emirates when Mustafi did that huge balls up. I see him as more to blame than whatever Arsenal player lost possession to Palace before they launched that attack.

Different ways of looking at it, I guess.

Kroenke's only sporting passion was his alma mater, the University of Missouri, nicknamed 'Mizzou', a state of which is he is a native. He's never shown the same passion for the teams he owns. They were a basketball power in a league that was known for American football. He donated a lot of money to build the football program.

When David Dein invited him to buy into The Arsenal he had mediocre teams and was never known as an owner passionate about winning. I recall some discussion on here by a few people on this forum saying he wasn't a bad owner and tried to say there were extenuating reasons his teams didn't win. BS in hindsight.

When he wanted to move his home town side, the St. Louis Rams to Los Angeles, he screwed over his own home state. There were a couple other sides petitioning the league to move to LA, the 2nd biggest media market of which the NFL was desperately trying to find a team to move in there because of the potential revenue.

The league granted Kroenke the right to move to LA if he would make a good faith effort to build a championship side. Surprisingly, the Rams who didn't have a winning season for years were all of a sudden a winning side, culminating in going to the Super Bowl last season.

This proves he can build a winning side if he wants to. He just doesn't feel the need to spend to build a winning side with us. Dein brought him in I'm guessing because Kroenke was never known as a hands on owner and Dein would be the de facto head of Arsenal and run it the way he wants to. Dein also knew he knew nothing about the sport. That is my guess as to why Dein brought him in. Dein brought in Usmanov for similar reasons. He sold Usmanov his shares so that he in turn would leave the day to day operations to him. Dein was more concerned about Dein than The Arsenal. The board had no choice but to choose one or the other because of the shares each had because of Dein.

If anyone thinks they made the right choice still, then don't complain about what's going with the squad. Usmanov would at least tried to build a winning side. Kroenke had no proclivity to if it meant spending money.

Makes little use complaining. Nothing will be done. He has no incentive to sell the club. The only bit of hope for the future is if Josh, his son, tries to build a winning side when Stan dies. Expect the Kroenke's to have decades of ownership. Thank you David Dein.

Our decline is years in the making and please remember its not purely ownership related.

Wenger was responsible for 10 years of decline, no fresh thinking, complacency, no change in methods

Gazidis was brought in to supposedly bring an entire new revenue stream of commercial revenue to us but instead became a Kroenke mouthpiece. At least he sussed Arsenes decline out though.

our own fans are even responsible to a certain extent. They made excuse after excuse for Arsene for 10 years, I mean we literally heard every excuse under the sun as he lurched from one cock up to another.

Now we are in the total shite

We have zero money to spend, little world class talent in the squad and the new bizarre phenomenon where we sell our young players now for peanuts and they go on to forge better careers like Bennacer, Rene Adelaide, Gnabry, Chesney.

What i'm saying is that its not just Kroenke's ownership as he delegates football decisions. This is a multi-faceted shitshow of the highest order.

While you’re right in implying there are various factors affecting the club’s decline and that one of them was Wenger, it was Kroenke who had the power to sack Wenger and he chose not to.