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Post #318281  Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:36 am 
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Bielik is an interesting one. I saw him a few times for Charlton last season and the thing that is obvious is how techically gifted he is for such a big lad. Very composed on the ball with a great range of passing. Excellent in the air too.

The Charlton boss used him either at CB or DM, depending on the opposition.

He looks great striding out from the back with the ball into midfield to launch attacks and spray passes around but I have my reservations about him defensively because he's primarily a midfielder turned CB and I don't think he's that good when opposing players get a chance to run at him. However, in a defensive three he could work well.

I think he definitely deserves a chance in pre-season, he showed again last night in the Poland u21 game what an accomplished player he is, despite a couple of dodgy moments defensively. Scouts watching the game must be licking their lips at the thought of getting him on the cheap, as seems the custom with Arsenal sales.

Personally I think he's on a different level technically to Holding (and most CB's around to be honest), it just depends if Emery sees him as being reliable enough defensively to play CB or mobile enough to play as a DM.

I just hope we don't give him away.

A Loan coming up to a mid table German side ... followed by a permanent transfer for 2 million then a season later a 25 million transfer to Bayern Munich.


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Post #318282  Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:44 am 
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Reports suggest we are agreeing terms with potential targets but agreeing terms with a player is very different from agreeing a fee with a club. I just hipe we don't get outbid at the last minute because plenty of other clubs will be interested in the youthful prodigies we appear to be after.


'Twas ever thus soc. Don't think this year's activity will be much different to the last few years.

Although I hope and pray I'm wrong and we unearth a new Adams, Keown, Vieira, Overmars, Petit, Henry, Pires and Bergkamp. Oh, and a new Wiltord of course. Not much to ask.


Or a Djourou, Scillarci or Senderos. :laughing7:


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Post #318283  Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:25 pm 
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Saliba looks like it could be close. But with an immediate loan back. That makes sense as long as we delay any payment until he finishes that loan. It doesn't make sense to put a load of our season budget on a player who won't play for us next season.

I'm certainly more encouraged by the targeting of top young talent rather than the way Man U seem to be going about things by chasing Coutinho and Rakitic


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and " for no other reason " I enjoyed this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_WxtBP4ePs

Shades of " Honky Tonk "....... didn't realise he could play .

Put around in the early days when embracing ' rock n roll ' was a surefire ticket to Hell and Damnation ; the knockers said he just held the guitar for effect .
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Post #318286  Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:19 pm 
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Man U want £150m for Pogba. They bought him for £89m and he’s not even been in the top 15 central mids in the prem in that time. He turned up for 8 or so games but went completely missing for so many others. So why do Man U think they can put £60m on his price tag? And why would anyone pay it?
It annoys me how some players price tag is based on what their last transfer was and seem irrespective of their form


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Post #318287  Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:17 pm 
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Man U want £150m for Pogba. They bought him for £89m and he’s not even been in the top 15 central mids in the prem in that time. He turned up for 8 or so games but went completely missing for so many others. So why do Man U think they can put £60m on his price tag? And why would anyone pay it?
It annoys me how some players price tag is based on what their last transfer was and seem irrespective of their form


Why not throw him onto the market at an inflated price .... ?

Some filthy rich club might see him as the answer to their prayers and splash the cash .

Can't see why that should annoy you so much ... you need to buy yourself a V8 motor and pull it to bits in the shed .... great stress release .

What would you prefer ....? " The Arsenal " way of doing things .. spurn a decent offer ; hang on to someone for another year then accept a calimitous swap deal a la Sanchez .

.... or then of course there's our other method ; let whoever run down their contract completely then offload them for nothing .


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Man U want £150m for Pogba. They bought him for £89m and he’s not even been in the top 15 central mids in the prem in that time. He turned up for 8 or so games but went completely missing for so many others. So why do Man U think they can put £60m on his price tag? And why would anyone pay it?
It annoys me how some players price tag is based on what their last transfer was and seem irrespective of their form

Pogba is one of the biggest stars in world football. Since his transfer we've had the Neymar move to PSG which really moved transfers up a level. And while he might be a social media obsessed bellend, he's a hugely talented footballer and would walk into any side in the league apart from City because they have both Silva and DeBruyne.

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Post #318289  Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:01 pm 
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Never mind Pogba .
What does annoy me ...... is these dumn as dog sh***t Americans blowing a couple of holes in two tankers , releasing images of a quality that wouldn't be out of place in an early 1920s silent movie

.... then immediately point the finger at Iran to justify turning another country into a shambolic mess .


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Man U want £150m for Pogba. They bought him for £89m and he’s not even been in the top 15 central mids in the prem in that time. He turned up for 8 or so games but went completely missing for so many others. So why do Man U think they can put £60m on his price tag? And why would anyone pay it?
It annoys me how some players price tag is based on what their last transfer was and seem irrespective of their form

I wouldn't mind having Pogba play for us but nothing close to the price. Mourinho killed a great box to box player. When he's happy and confident, he's a potential game changer. We saw it at Juve and the French national team.

Man Utd are dreaming. Maybe 2 clubs would even consider that (RM and PSG), maybe they are holding out for them.

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Post #318291  Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:33 am 
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Man U want £150m for Pogba. They bought him for £89m and he’s not even been in the top 15 central mids in the prem in that time. He turned up for 8 or so games but went completely missing for so many others. So why do Man U think they can put £60m on his price tag? And why would anyone pay it?
It annoys me how some players price tag is based on what their last transfer was and seem irrespective of their form


Why not throw him onto the market at an inflated price .... ?

Some filthy rich club might see him as the answer to their prayers and splash the cash .

Can't see why that should annoy you so much ... you need to buy yourself a V8 motor and pull it to bits in the shed .... great stress release .

What would you prefer ....? " The Arsenal " way of doing things .. spurn a decent offer ; hang on to someone for another year then accept a calimitous swap deal a la Sanchez .

.... or then of course there's our other method ; let whoever run down their contract completely then offload them for nothing .

It probably annoys me because it is exactly the sort of thing Arsenal don't do.

Spend loads on talented player, talented player plays nowhere near as well as the fee we payed for him, talented player wants to leave, other clubs tap up talented player, we sell for 1/2 of what we paid


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Post #318292  Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:04 am 
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Never mind Pogba .
What does annoy me ...... is these dumn as dog sh***t Americans blowing a couple of holes in two tankers , releasing images of a quality that wouldn't be out of place in an early 1920s silent movie

.... then immediately point the finger at Iran to justify turning another country into a shambolic mess .


Oh if you watched the video you'll see it was the Iranians alright.

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May be some more vacancies in football administration coming up.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-18/ ... p/11222568

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Post #318294  Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:31 am 
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Never mind Pogba .
What does annoy me ...... is these dumn as dog sh***t Americans blowing a couple of holes in two tankers , releasing images of a quality that wouldn't be out of place in an early 1920s silent movie

.... then immediately point the finger at Iran to justify turning another country into a shambolic mess .


Oh if you watched the video you'll see it was the Iranians alright.


But is there proof that they were deploying mines. The photos look like a bunch of guys in a boat

It’s odd that Japan and Norway are less worried than the US that their tankers were attacked.


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Oh if you watched the video you'll see it was the Iranians alright.


But is there proof that they were deploying mines. The photos look like a bunch of guys in a boat

It’s odd that Japan and Norway are less worried than the US that their tankers were attacked.


I saw a bunch of lads in a boat take a mine put it in the boat and sail off. I doubt they'd be so cavalier if it wasnt their mine.

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See Freddie has replaced Bould as Assistant Coach.

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Gunfire wrote:
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But is there proof that they were deploying mines. The photos look like a bunch of guys in a boat

It’s odd that Japan and Norway are less worried than the US that their tankers were attacked.


I saw a bunch of lads in a boat take a mine put it in the boat and sail off. I doubt they'd be so cavalier if it wasnt their mine.


How is it known they aren’t Americans and the video is doctored

Don’t you think it’s odd the way it’s just the Americans kicking off about it and not the Japanese or Norwegians as it was their ships ?


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So many penalties at the women’s World Cup due to VAR. even more interesting was the penalty that France missed but VAR intervened and said it should be retaken as the gk was a foot off her line. With encroachment from outfield players also a factor you wonder how consistent VAR will be with this in the prem.
All of these are matters of fact, like offside, so there can be no argument, it’s a black and white call. In theory we should see loads more penalties and loads more retaken for gk off their line or encroachment. Every penalty scored or missed will need to be checked.

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See Freddie has replaced Bould as Assistant Coach.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48662806


Supposedly as part of pushing young players to be part of the first team squad. Exciting if true. Think likes of Nelson, Willock and Emile Smith Rowe won't let us down if given a dozen starts especially in cup games.

There was a podcast from Arseblog talking about the use of young players in the cups particularly in the Europa Cup. They were firmly in favour of it.

It is a good idea but if we go out in the group stages because of playing youths then it could cost us a fair bit of money (and even less for transfers in the future) plus it is no use all the supporters complaining if we go not progress. Emery really has some stressful issues to deal with in trying to find a balance at the club.

I would be interested to see what others think of this idea. I think I would play no more than 3 youths in every game and run the risk of elimination. If Özil is still with us he would be selected every time until his attitude improves.

On another issue I notice that we have friendlies against a few good opponents for a change. I wonder if Emery is wanting to prove an early point before the transfer window closes. We win these games and the team may be up to a big season. We fail miserably and get a couple of hidings and he tells them we need to do the trolley dash.

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Oh if you watched the video you'll see it was the Iranians alright.


:42laughter: so they were all wearing turbans and had little Iranian flags sewn on their sleeves .

Yep that it do it .... let's bomb Tehran .

Ever hear of the Gulf of Tonkin .


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I saw a bunch of lads in a boat take a mine put it in the boat and sail off. I doubt they'd be so cavalier if it wasnt their mine.


How is it known they aren’t Americans and the video is doctored

Don’t you think it’s odd the way it’s just the Americans kicking off about it and not the Japanese or Norwegians as it was their ships ?

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So, Celtic and Besiktas is interested in Jenkinson. Our Jenkinson, right?

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So, Celtic and Besiktas is interested in Jenkinson. Our Jenkinson, right?

Not just them

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/06/19/r ... jenkinson/

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Bielik playing for Poland U21's on Sky.

Watched some of it. Enrico Chiesa's son looks like a player

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He shoots, he scores, our man Bielik puts the Poles ahead. Will they be able to hold out against a very hard press frm the Italian kids.............


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Another rule thing that is going to annoy me next season will be the amount of added on time. I’ve already got a problem with it as I 100% believe more time is added on if there is only 1 goal difference between the teams than if a team is winning 3-0, for example. Next season with VAR we are going to lose so much match time.
Imagine a game with 4 second half goals, 6 subs and 3 VAR referrals. Common thinking should be 60 seconds per goal, 30 seconds per sub and god knows how long for VAR, but easily 2 mins....even more if it is a penalty and we have all the protests. Can you imagine games regularly having 10+ minutes of added time? It just won’t be enforced.


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86. min. Argentina penalty by VAR
91. Scotland gk saves penalty
93. VAR says Take it again
93. Argentina scores
95. Although we have lost 7 mins the referee ends the game


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86. min. Argentina penalty by VAR
91. Scotland gk saves penalty
93. VAR says Take it again
93. Argentina scores
95. Although we have lost 7 mins the referee ends the game

I prefer a ref and two linos, warts and all.


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86. min. Argentina penalty by VAR
91. Scotland gk saves penalty
93. VAR says Take it again
93. Argentina scores
95. Although we have lost 7 mins the referee ends the game

I prefer a ref and two linos, warts and all.

Agree 1000 per cent, Brom. VAR has been in operation in the Australian league for a couple of seasons (in fact, the first-ever VAR decision in a top-flight professional club competition in world football was in favour of my local team, Sydney FC, so I really should be more grateful), and it has only managed to muddy the waters every step of the way.

Was there enough contact for a penalty? Was the goalkeeper's boot a millimetre in front of the line when the spot-kick was taken? Let's have a look at it from a fourth angle for a fifth time - and then ask the ref to have a look for himself on his little screen. Football's crowning glory as a sport, the utter delirium of the ball hitting the back of the net, has been completely, terminally, compromised.

Sorry, VAR, you seemed nice enough, but I'm afraid it just isn't going to work out. It isn't me, it's you.

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The two things that particularly annoy me about VAR are:

1. The new 'natural silhouette' interpretation of handball. It's no longer about whether it's hand-to-ball or ball-to-hand or whether it's deliberate or intentional. It's not about the distance the ball has travelled either, nor even speed of the ball on contact. No, all that's been junked. Now, if the offending player hasn't adopted a 'natural silhouette', then it's handball. The point about this is that this new interpretation is a direct function of the introduction of VAR since the circumstances can only be judged in retrospect by freeze-frame analysis. That's not the rules of the game we all grew up with.

2. Goalkeepers moving on penalties. Goalkeepers have always moved on pens. Always always always. Again, elevating this traditional part of the game (to which everyone in the game turned a blind eye) to a bookable offence and a new pen is a direct result of VAR since it also requires freeze-frame analysis. It has always been that a GK had a chance, albeit slim, of saving a pen; VAR means that this random underdog's chance will be squeezed out of the game.


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How is it known they aren’t Americans and the video is doctored

Don’t you think it’s odd the way it’s just the Americans kicking off about it and not the Japanese or Norwegians as it was their ships ?

Good point Big Boy


Now the US are saying their drone has been shot down in international airspace.

I really urge our government not to get involved in this bollocks.


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The two things that particularly annoy me about VAR are:

1. The new 'natural silhouette' interpretation of handball. It's no longer about whether it's hand-to-ball or ball-to-hand or whether it's deliberate or intentional. It's not about the distance the ball has travelled either, nor even speed of the ball on contact. No, all that's been junked. Now, if the offending player hasn't adopted a 'natural silhouette', then it's handball. The point about this is that this new interpretation is a direct function of the introduction of VAR since the circumstances can only be judged in retrospect by freeze-frame analysis. That's not the rules of the game we all grew up with


Agree 100%

Whisper it quietly but I thought the penalty decision in the champions league final was ludicrous. To decide a major competition like that was ridiculous. Handball needs to be deliberate and only the referee can decide what that consists of.


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The two things that particularly annoy me about VAR are:

1. The new 'natural silhouette' interpretation of handball. It's no longer about whether it's hand-to-ball or ball-to-hand or whether it's deliberate or intentional. It's not about the distance the ball has travelled either, nor even speed of the ball on contact. No, all that's been junked. Now, if the offending player hasn't adopted a 'natural silhouette', then it's handball. The point about this is that this new interpretation is a direct function of the introduction of VAR since the circumstances can only be judged in retrospect by freeze-frame analysis. That's not the rules of the game we all grew up with


Agree 100%

Whisper it quietly but I thought the penalty decision in the champions league final was ludicrous. To decide a major competition like that was ridiculous. Handball needs to be deliberate and only the referee can decide what that consists of.


I also thought that pen was very soft (oh dear, how sad, what a pity) but the interesting point about it is that it was given by the Ref without recourse to VAR. It shows how quickly this entirely new VAR-driven interpretation has been written into the rules of the game.


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See Freddie has replaced Bould as Assistant Coach.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48662806


I'm happy for Freddie but the question begs, was this a demotion for Bould? I wonder how about the chemistry between Emery and Bould? Whose decision?

Also, was Freddie the clubs decision? I really don't know about any prior history between Emery and Freddie. Usually, managers bring in their own people. I like that Arsenal tries to maintain the generational transition from prior players to new players. Keeps the club a "family".

Anyway, just hope it all works out.

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I read a rumor Man Utd are going to make a bid for Aubie. 70 mil was banded around from what I read. Shows you just where we are. Man Utd finish below but we may still be a feeder club to them. I hope its not true.

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What good will it do. This has as much chance of happening as I would to have an online campaign to end trolling on the SG forum..lololol :42laughter:
Seriously though, so what? The ONLY thing that will have any semblance of effect is hit Kroenke in the pockets with a boycott. And that won't happen.

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I'm happy for Freddie but the question begs, was this a demotion for Bould? I wonder how about the chemistry between Emery and Bould? Whose decision?

Also, was Freddie the clubs decision? I really don't know about any prior history between Emery and Freddie. Usually, managers bring in their own people. I like that Arsenal tries to maintain the generational transition from prior players to new players. Keeps the club a "family".

Anyway, just hope it all works out.

As I understand it, Bouldy actually asked to be allowed to return to the academy last summer, but agreed to remain as was for continuity purposes; he was never fully comfortable with the role he had at 1st team level.

It will be good, from a personal level, to be around "uncle" again in the academy.


I did wonder about that. It did seem to make some sense for Ljungberg to take up the role in that we’re looking to transition these young players he’s been working with. It looked a move with a lot of upside apart from for Bouldy as it seems somewhat of a demotion, however if he’s been wanting the move it explains that. Good news all round.


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HoddGooner wrote:
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I'm happy for Freddie but the question begs, was this a demotion for Bould? I wonder how about the chemistry between Emery and Bould? Whose decision?

Also, was Freddie the clubs decision? I really don't know about any prior history between Emery and Freddie. Usually, managers bring in their own people. I like that Arsenal tries to maintain the generational transition from prior players to new players. Keeps the club a "family".

Anyway, just hope it all works out.

As I understand it, Bouldy actually asked to be allowed to return to the academy last summer, but agreed to remain as was for continuity purposes; he was never fully comfortable with the role he had at 1st team level.

It will be good, from a personal level, to be around "uncle" again in the academy.


Hi Hodd.

What are your thoughts on Ljungberg (apart from being a club legend obviously)?

Do you think Bielik will be sold, especially if his performances in the u21 euros brings in a few bids?


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I hope we get some of these deals for outstanding youngsters over the line. It seems the logical route given our financial predicament and it could lead to an exciting season. However, there is always a feeling that we are not really at the top of the queue for them and once any kind of fee is agreed the big boys will swoop in.


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