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Brighton's strategy is very clear. Counter attack on our slow defence. Our 2 snails are there to be out paced, Xhaka and Kos.

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Classic arsenal. Early lead and then slack off, should and could have put the game to bed then hand an equaliser on a plate. Suddenly the crowd are up for it their players are up for it and what should be a stroll turns in to a game we could easily lose.

Which is more at fault, individual quality of defenders making mistakes or the defensive system leaving it liable to mistakes?


Defensive system. Emery should address this at half-time.

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Our 2 snails are there to be out paced, Xhaka and Kos.

Thought you said Koscielny looked more comfortable a little earlier?


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Will we never bloody learn!!!!
On top but we never kill these teams off.
Then fall to inevitable sucker punch and get their crowd up.
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Crikey. Özil hooked at half time.

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Bernard wrote:
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Our 2 snails are there to be out paced, Xhaka and Kos.

Thought you said Koscielny looked more comfortable a little earlier?


Comfortable, but still slow nowadays. He was comfortable with the ball closer to him. But when he needs to chase, that's a different story.

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Brighton's strategy is very clear. Counter attack on our slow defence.

We have this bloody annoying propensity to include a couple of backwards , cross field passes which takes all the sting out of the attack . :8angers: . Lucky goalkeepers are protected species or we could be have been two down .


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Brighton's strategy is very clear. Counter attack on our slow defence.

We have this bloody annoying propensity to include a couple of backwards , cross field passes which takes all the sting out of the attack . :8angers: . Lucky goalkeepers are protected species or we could be have been two down .


Wenger still phones in to talk with his old boys :42laughter:

Frustrating indeed :8angers:

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Well if it goes like the first half then we should score anytime soon.

Brighton are totally on top now. They just need to give us a daft goal.

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When we do attack it’s in slow motion.

Perhaps the players are saving themselves for the Liverpool game. :20hospitals:

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Only seen the 2nd half but it has been *%^@*** rubbish from where I'm sitting.


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AMN has been rubbish since coming on

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Dear oh dear. Brighton looking more likely to snatch a win.


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Emery seemed to have the master touch with subs in earlier matches but some of the latest ones seem a bit forced, unnecessary and ineffective.


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Guendozi looks lost when he has the ball. Why?
In fact , all of them look clueless on how to move the ball forward.

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AMN has been rubbish since coming on

Unfortunately you’re not wrong there. Seems to make the wrong choice each time.

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Ainsley no longer looks like an asset...............

Likewise Lichenstein.

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All over. Rather underwhelming and very disappointing.

Gave that away.

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Very disjointed game from Arsenal. Emery seems to have lost his magic. Very disappointing result.

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Guendozi looks lost when he has the ball. Why?
In fact , all of them look clueless on how to move the ball forward.


Why did I choose this match of all matches to watch live. Complete and utter *%^@ and I can't think of a match I enjoyed less even under Wenger. Predictable, stale and lacking any interest from the whole team.


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Looking forward to our annual Liverpool humiliation. Slow defence, ponderous midfield and forwards struggling to free themselves from defenders. Welcome back Wenger's Arsenal. To be fair two signings won't change this team.


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None of the players stood out today, none!

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Looking forward to our annual Liverpool humiliation. Slow defence, ponderous midfield and forwards struggling to free themselves from defenders. Welcome back Wenger's Arsenal. To be fair two signings won't change this team.


Not ponderous midfield, more like clueless today. So many times Guendozi looks up and takes a couple seconds, then decides a back pass is the best option. Xhaka is slow, his delay is nothing more than his need to hang on to the ball before passing it.
All 3 substitutes made zero impact.

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Looking forward to our annual Liverpool humiliation. Slow defence, ponderous midfield and forwards struggling to free themselves from defenders. Welcome back Wenger's Arsenal. To be fair two signings won't change this team.


Not ponderous midfield, more like clueless today. So many times Guendozi looks up and takes a couple seconds, then decides a back pass is the best option. Xhaka is slow, his delay is nothing more than his need to hang on to the ball before passing it.
All 3 substitutes made zero impact.

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All 3 substitutes made zero impact.

Actually less than zero. Brought the quality and effectiveness down rather than up.

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gooner7 wrote:
danny wrote:
Looking forward to our annual Liverpool humiliation. Slow defence, ponderous midfield and forwards struggling to free themselves from defenders. Welcome back Wenger's Arsenal. To be fair two signings won't change this team.


Not ponderous midfield, more like clueless today. So many times Guendozi looks up and takes a couple seconds, then decides a back pass is the best option. Xhaka is slow, his delay is nothing more than his need to hang on to the ball before passing it.
All 3 substitutes made zero impact.


Strangely I thought Guendouzi was one of the few actually trying to drive forward but he had zero options cos the rest of the team just stood there looking at him. There is no glossing over the fact that the whole team were crap today and seemed to be saving themselves for Liverpool. One of things I hated about the Wenger Arsenal was that it doesn't matter if you try to save for the next match if you can't collect point from teams in the bottom third of the table. That performance was dismal and seems old habits die hard.


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Not ponderous midfield, more like clueless today. So many times Guendozi looks up and takes a couple seconds, then decides a back pass is the best option.

Guendouzi is the least of our problems. At least he brings more energy to our play. He passes back when there's little or nothing on in front of him. Can't blame him for that.


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Not good enough in the final third by any stretch of the means but for me, Brighton were very negative for a home side and barely came out to play at all. Very difficult to break teams down when they set up like that but with quality from us was lacking. We really could do with a couple of quality dribblers to run at defences when they are set up like that.

The goal we conceded though, bloomin awful. Starting to have some major doubts about Leno's decision making.

Sky showed it was Özil who didn't track the run of the goalscorer which may have been why he was hooked.

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Bernard wrote:
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Not ponderous midfield, more like clueless today. So many times Guendozi looks up and takes a couple seconds, then decides a back pass is the best option.

Guendouzi is the least of our problems. At least he brings more energy to our play. He passes back when there's little or nothing on in front of him. Can't blame him for that.

Yes thought Guendouzi had a good game myself.

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Wenger still phones in to talk with his old boys

It seems like that G7 ..... we always have the threat a moment of magic from Lacazette or Aubameyang to grab us a goal but until Unai can install more movement and challenge the whole team to make more accurate FORWARD passes we will struggle .

These little 'safe' back / sideways passes will never lead to improvement

We take a corner ........ slightest bit of opposition pressure and the ball is back in the hands of Leno :blob9:

Lots of 'lesser' sides seem busier , more pro active with the ball than us


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So many times Guendozi looks up and takes a couple seconds, then decides a back pass is the best option.

Strangely I thought Guendouzi was one of the few actually trying to drive forward but he had zero options cos the rest of the team just stood there looking at him.

That's exactly how I saw it grantyboy. Hadn't read your post when I wrote my previous one.


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Brighton had lost 3 games in a row prior to this evening. Their performance tonight was definitely a team set up to stop the losing run. Emery has pinpointed the first half and to be fair to the keeper Ryan he made two outstanding saves from Aubameyang which were key to the result. Also said Özil was taken off in a tactical decision to go 4-4-2. This one clearly didn't work out.

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Brighton were very negative for a home side and barely came out to play at all. Very difficult to break teams down when they set up like that but with quality from us was lacking. We really could do with a couple of quality dribblers to run at defences when they are set up like that.
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Yeah but in their defence Niall ... for them Premier League survival is the name of the game .

Coming out all Gung Ho against a team with Lacazette and Aubameyang would be a no brainer .

They'd be happy with their point against us and probably play a more adventurous set up v the likes of Bournemouth , Huddersfield, Cardiff and Wolves


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No pace, width or creativity in the entire squad.

Watching Chelsea who have William hazard and Pedro, we have no player like that at all. We just can’t hurt the opposition

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Forum very slow, is it just for me?

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Basically the same story repeating itself over the last few years. We always seem to be 3 or 4 quality players away from being genuine contenders.Add to the mix our usual run of injuries which stretches our resources and we under achieve. Right now Lichsteiner and AMN shouldn’t be in the Carabau squad let alone the first team.
Never thought I’d see the day when Jenkinson has two right backs worse than him. Kos sadly is in decline and I’m not a fan of Mustafi. Gets beat to often in the channels and gives rash fouls away. Monreal is decent still but more and more injury prone and his best days are behind him. Kolasinac is merely ok
Iwobi and Özil are inconsistent and do not dominate games. (Özil is probably best suited playing for a world beating team where he can embellish the performance. )
For all their promise Leno Guandouzi and Torreira are raw. Ramsey’s on the way out as is Welbeck.
I dunno who the recruitment guru is ....Sven Mlinstat(sp) but if he goes to games he and his staff must see the deficiencies.Two quality central defenders a left back a creative mid and a winger are required plus Nelson back from Germany.
I love this club but performances like today against an inferior set of players really aggravate me. One up and cruising then ....miss chances then ....give a stupid goal away and......how many times have you all seen that scenario Ah well. I’ll still be cheering them on Saturday. It’s in the blood right.


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kiwipete wrote:
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Brighton were very negative for a home side and barely came out to play at all. Very difficult to break teams down when they set up like that but with quality from us was lacking. We really could do with a couple of quality dribblers to run at defences when they are set up like that.
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Yeah but in their defence Niall ... for them Premier League survival is the name of the game .

Coming out all Gung Ho against a team with Lacazette and Aubameyang would be a no brainer .

They'd be happy with their point against us and probably play a more adventurous set up v the likes of Bournemouth , Huddersfield, Cardiff and Wolves

Hey Kiwi, I'm not blaming them for their negative set up - I agree with you it's all about survival for them and fair play to them it was a good point. Still it's hard for an attacking team to break that system down and Emery is right to highlight the first 25 minutes when they weren't on it and we could have had 3 goals but for the keeper. After that we struggled to pass through the wall of players they kept in their own half the entire game. Really, that sloppy concession has cost us big time.

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Basically the same story repeating itself over the last few years. We always seem to be 3 or 4 quality players away from being genuine contenders.Add to the mix our usual run of injuries which stretches our resources and we under achieve. Right now Lichsteiner and AMN shouldn’t be in the Carabau squad let alone the first team.
Never thought I’d see the day when Jenkinson has two right backs worse than him. Kos sadly is in decline and I’m not a fan of Mustafi. Gets beat to often in the channels and gives rash fouls away. Monreal is decent still but more and more injury prone and his best days are behind him. Kolasinac is merely ok
Iwobi and Özil are inconsistent and do not dominate games. (Özil is probably best suited playing for a world beating team where he can embellish the performance. )
For all their promise Leno Guandouzi and Torreira are raw. Ramsey’s on the way out as is Welbeck.
I dunno who the recruitment guru is ....Sven Mlinstat(sp) but if he goes to games he and his staff must see the deficiencies.Two quality central defenders a left back a creative mid and a winger are required plus Nelson back from Germany.
I love this club but performances like today against an inferior set of players really aggravate me. One up and cruising then ....miss chances then ....give a stupid goal away and......how many times have you all seen that scenario Ah well. I’ll still be cheering them on Saturday. It’s in the blood right.

Hey Andy, stating the obvious - we are the 4th, 5th or 6th best team in the league at the moment and Emery and the new staff need time to close the gap further on the top 3 - all of whom are outstanding teams it has to be said. Hopefully it will be 4th but as I type Hazard has just put Chelsea ahead.....

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Niall wrote:
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Basically the same story repeating itself over the last few years. We always seem to be 3 or 4 quality players away from being genuine contenders.Add to the mix our usual run of injuries which stretches our resources and we under achieve. Right now Lichsteiner and AMN shouldn’t be in the Carabau squad let alone the first team.
Never thought I’d see the day when Jenkinson has two right backs worse than him. Kos sadly is in decline and I’m not a fan of Mustafi. Gets beat to often in the channels and gives rash fouls away. Monreal is decent still but more and more injury prone and his best days are behind him. Kolasinac is merely ok
Iwobi and Özil are inconsistent and do not dominate games. (Özil is probably best suited playing for a world beating team where he can embellish the performance. )
For all their promise Leno Guandouzi and Torreira are raw. Ramsey’s on the way out as is Welbeck.
I dunno who the recruitment guru is ....Sven Mlinstat(sp) but if he goes to games he and his staff must see the deficiencies.Two quality central defenders a left back a creative mid and a winger are required plus Nelson back from Germany.
I love this club but performances like today against an inferior set of players really aggravate me. One up and cruising then ....miss chances then ....give a stupid goal away and......how many times have you all seen that scenario Ah well. I’ll still be cheering them on Saturday. It’s in the blood right.

Hey Andy, stating the obvious - we are the 4th, 5th or 6th best team in the league at the moment and Emery and the new staff need time to close the gap further on the top 3 - all of whom are outstanding teams it has to be said. Hopefully it will be 4th but as I type Hazard has just put Chelsea ahead.....

I know Niall but I’ve got to let off steam somehow.
I’m down in a tropical paradise (Cartagena,Colmbia) on vacation and it’s really screwed with my day. A few beers and I’ll be ok.


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Niall wrote:
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Yeah but in their defence Niall ... for them Premier League survival is the name of the game .

Coming out all Gung Ho against a team with Lacazette and Aubameyang would be a no brainer .

They'd be happy with their point against us and probably play a more adventurous set up v the likes of Bournemouth , Huddersfield, Cardiff and Wolves

Hey Kiwi, I'm not blaming them for their negative set up - I agree with you it's all about survival for them and fair play to them it was a good point. Still it's hard for an attacking team to break that system down and Emery is right to highlight the first 25 minutes when they weren't on it and we could have had 3 goals but for the keeper. After that we struggled to pass through the wall of players they kept in their own half the entire game. Really, that sloppy concession has cost us big time.
We should not have to score 3 goals to win away games.

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