Yep. 4 awful goals. We created more than they did but never really put them under sustained pressure. The injury to Ramsey was disruptive. He was our most effective attacking player in the first half. Man U will take points off the rest of the top 5. They are a pig of a team these days.

A win at Old Trafford was always a big ask so soon after Tottenham. That game took a lot of energy. Not disappointed with the result, but very disappointed with the way we conceded. That second goal in particular was horrendous.

They are horrible. Stoke with a bigger budget. At one point Fellaini actually grabbed Guendozi by the hair to stop him from going forward.

Quiz question: When did Arsenal last score twice in the league at OT?

Another thing I find hugely frustrating is Guendouzi's tendency to fall over when under pressure in dangerous areas and try to buy a foul. He's a top top talent but he can't keep doing it because he's not going to get away with it forever.

Yep. Decent point but calamitous defensive errors from both sides.

Pulling hair foul to stop an opponent????

Aren’t there precedents for a red card?

Guendouzi, Torreira, Leno, Aubameyang & Lacazette - in that order.

Our future.

Scrub that, I just saw the answer. I had erased that game from memory.

Is that 20 unbeaten now? When was the last time we managed that. Outstanding run.

Yeah, and Özil.

2007.

Thanks Niall. 11 long years. What a job Emery has done so far.

Not sure about Özil, Haz. We look a more high tempo side without him in it.

20 games without a loss now. Very pleasing.

Just thought, has anyone mentioned we went unbeaten in November?

I was going to say, it was quite recent.

Yeah I thought it was at least 20 years ago.

A decent point really as Manchester United were much improved tonight. If that came from a direct consequence of dropping Pogba and Lukaku, then credit to Mourinho. Not a bad display from us, but really frustrating to concede their equalisers so quickly after scoring. Ridiculously quickly after the second.

I didn't think there were any bad displays by Arsenal players, though in my view Guendouzi and Torreira were a cut above the rest. I think we missed Xhaka today, and for our most important games I'd like to see Guendouzi, Torreira and Xhaka in the same team. I hope Özil isn't finished at the club. We needed his creativity today.

Yes he has been superb. No complaints thus far.

Agree with all that, I also thought Aubameyang was excellent second half and is a better all round player than I thought when we signed him.

It takes a very experienced player to buy a foul in those situations

If a gkhas it in one hand, can a player head it out of his hand like Lacazette did? What is the rule against this?

Emery's Arsenal unlucky tonight. Totally undermined by injuries, Rojo could have been sent off twice. Fellaini's hair pull is technically a red. Lacazette's goal not illegal. Herrera offside for Utd. Typical for an away team at OT. With VAR we win the game by two or three goals. Can't wait for it to come in.

More worried about Holding's injury. Sounds like a serious one, just as he was establishing himself as nailed on first choice. Who knows how long til Kos is really fit...do we then have to dip into Mavropanos when he's fit, or Plezeguelo or even Zech Medley? Whether its recalling Chambers or a signing, if Holding is out for a long time another centre half in January is vital.

It is against the rules. From the laws of the game:

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball when:
• the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface
(e.g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands
or arms except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper
has made a save
• holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
• bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of
the ball with the hands.

And yes, forgot to mention Holding yesterday. Gutted if it's a bad injury, he was having a fine season. Hate when that happens to young players who are playing themselves into the team.

Isn't VAR supposed to change clear errors, or whatever the terminology is? With United's first equaliser, the bloke who set up the scorer was technically offside. But it was so tight that by what I think of as clear or obvious, it wasn't.

I was really impressed with Medley when he came on as a sub in Kiev. But you've probably seen more of him than me and you sound less keen. Did his appearance that day give me a false impression of him?

Nobody mentioned the first goal. Blatant dive but not shown again so can't be 100%. Agree with Lom we really need VAR butcwould it have been used forcthecfree kick?

I agree about Rojo, although to be fair Torreira probably got way with a few yellow card challenges.

I think a top quality CB is one of a few key signings we need to make to move the team up a level but I suspect that unless diamond eye has identified someone flying under the radar it may be too much to hope for a topclass CB in January.

I don't think it can, otherwise you would consulting VAR about indiscretions most of the match. What might work is if a team has say three challenges they can use during a game. If their challenege proves correct they retain all three but if not they lose one etc. Problem is the time element, do we really want to be stopping and starting the game every time a team makes a challenge.

I think it was a given that a) Man U would be much improved, certainly in work rate and b) Arsenal wouldn't be able to reach the heights of energy and tempo seen vs spurs.
It was probably easier for Man U to get up for last nights game given we were the opposition, it became a matter of pride for them.

Worried about the injuries stacking up, We're down to the bare bones in defence and a new CB has become the priority in the January window

I thought Kolasinac was pretty good last night despite his error. He's very powerful on the overlap and although some of his final balls were a little wayward he looked more of a threat than Bellerin.

Indeed there are:

https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/arsenal-leicester-establish-ban-precedent-for-fellaini-pulling-guendouzis-hair/

Fellaini has previous.

Do we have any faith in the FA to be consistent with a clearly set precedent? I'd be amazed if Fellaini gets a ban

Next 4: Huddersfield (h), Southampton (a), Burnley (h), Brighton (a). Really need to push on and get 4 wins from 4 from these.

There was clear contact by Guendozi on Martial. Martial made the most of it, but it's a definite free kick in my book. Would've been furious if we didn't get a free kick in a similiar situation.

Fellaini should definitely be suspended though. Such a nothing player, only thing he contributes with is being tall and getting away with a lot of fouls.

Guendozi had an interesting game. I thought he started quite poorly but really grew into the game. For such a young and inexperienced player the way he wants to constantly get involved even in a big game like this is impressive. Never satisfied with being a passenger.

I take it you don't have a link?

I thouht I read that Kos should/could be back on Saturday........................

Mustafi, Sokratis and Torreira are 1 yellow card away from a 1 game suspension. Cards don't get wiped until Dec 31st, so 5 more games to navigate. If Holding is out for a while we need Koscielny back asap

Immensely proud of the players for what can only be described as an impressive display this week. They have fought for everything and it was the first display at old Trafford in many years when we actually competed and I thought we should have won the game.

Shout out for Mhikitaryan who did well when he came on I thought as well as the others like Guendozi who was also superb.

Were are competing in these difficult games now and the turnaround Emery has providedis remarkable.

For the first time in years this is a team you can get behind.