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gooner7 · **#310481**

Babu III wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

So, since the league is the easier route, I can forgive Emery for not winning the Europa cup if it meant we had to put the better players in the league match on either side of a European match but I wouldn't mind winning if we had a decent chance at it. A European trophy would do a huge amount of good in the club.

The Europa League is a real trophy, as opposed to the make believe 4th place one, and there aren't really any decent teams in the Europa League. FC Zürich is top of group A, ( and looking forward to getting you lot in the knock-out stages ), Red Bull Salzburg top of group B, etc., etc.
Only right down the bottom of the list, in Group L, are the Blues, Chelsea F.C., and they'll beat us over 2 legs, as they did in the Invincibles Season.
If we could get them in the Final that would be a different story, as it's only one game, and anything is possible, the ball is round, etc., etc, boring football stuff.
4th place in the League?
Well, I'm guessing Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea will finish above us, so it's us against Tottenham and Manchester United for 4th place.

What does the Forum think? Is 4th place a Trophy?
Can we win the Europa League if we have to play Chelsea?

4th place is not a trophy. On perspective, it will be an improvement over the last 2 seasons. We can win the Europa league, if we continue to build confidence and team spirit. Looking good right now.

AmericanGooner · **#310482**

4th place wasn't a trophy when we were regularly in the top 4 BUT now it is in a manner of speech. At the state we are in, 4th is a trophy. Once there regularly again, its not.

I was discussing The Arsenal with someone and I think had the board sided with Usmanov things would have turned out totally different for Wenger. Two things led me to that belief. First, Usmanov would spent a lot to achieve success as quickly as possible and second, Wenger and Dein would have continued their fine partnership and we would have gotten far better players on average than he had to buy. Just thinking of 'what ifs'.

AmericanGooner · **#310483**

As far as Europa vs 4th place, why not go after both? But if one has to sacrificed, I'd say the Europa trophy. But I don't think that has to be until the semis or finals. We have enough quality to get past pretty much every club save one or two with some of our bench players like Welbeck.

Bernard · **#310484**

kiwipete wrote:

I've been on here for 27 years and of the current posters Bernard , Niall and Daz were here before me ..... so please can this "you were here and don't remember Nial " twaddle .

Must admit I've only been here twenty years this month. I never had access to the internet before October 1998. I started a new job on 1st October 1998, which gave me that access. Looked for the best Arsenal sites soon after and found this one.

Bernard · **#310485**

Pete on the beach wrote:

Bernard wrote:

What you say about the Vieira stuff may well be right Pete. But wasn't Carrick under contract at Tottenham in 2004? Would they have sold him to us, just three years after we got Sol?

Carrick made his debut at West Ham in 1999. I can't recall which AGM Wenger basically said he wanted to sign him. But it might have been even earlier than 1999. Carrick was very young at the time, and I'm sure Wenger would have been aware of outstanding talents at other clubs even before they've broken through.

He was still at West Ham went in part exchange with Zamora before the end of the 04 transfer window

Yes you're right. Just checked and Carrick joined Tottenham in 2004 before leaving them in 2006. So he presumably went to Tottenham after Arsenal had lost interest in him that summer, for whatever reason. So it would have been West Ham we got him from. I initially thought Carrick went to Tottenham earlier than 2004, so around 2003. These days I have trouble remembering when Arsenal's new signings joined, so have no chance with Tottenham's.

But Wenger did announce at an AGM how highly he rated Carrick when he was a kid at West Ham. Must have been the late 1990s. What he said left no doubt he wanted him at Arsenal. Wenger never said anything like that again, about any player. My guess is he was asked by a Ken Friar type not to be so explicit about transfer targets in the future.

Decaf · **#310486**

kiwipete wrote:

Babu III wrote:

Morning Niall, not up yet, I see.
Hard week digging the roads?
Why haven't you banned me yet?
You want me to *%^@ off, so do it!

grow up you attention seeking w**&%#$## ....... matyre pour le suisse

When Babu isn't have one of his turns, he's a very interesting poster.

So Babu, if you're still listening and haven't complete fried out .... please do stop being an a****** and saying "please ban me". You shouldn't have to require other people to check your bad behaviour. Self restraint is what is needed. Your premature ejaculation is getting out of hand.

Decaf · **#310487**

Babu III wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

But if one has to sacrificed, I'd say the Europa trophy. But I don't think that has to be until the semis or finals..

Would you sacrifice the Europa League semi-final for a chance of 4th place?

.. and would you exchange a walk on part in a war for a leading role in a cage?

Lincoln gooner · **#310488**

Babu III wrote:

Morning Niall, not up yet, I see.
Hard week digging the roads?
Why haven't you banned me yet?
You want me to *%^@ off, so do it!

Great, a hilarious Irish joke :20hospitals:

Bernard · **#310489**

Babu III wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

But if one has to sacrificed, I'd say the Europa trophy. But I don't think that has to be until the semis or finals..

Would you sacrifice the Europa League semi-final for a chance of 4th place?

I would much rather win the Europa League than finish 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the Premier League. Gets us in the Champions League and is another trophy on the honours list. Added to which, it makes the final a terrific day.

Bernard · **#310490**

Babu III wrote:

There is only 1 Club that can beat Arsenal in the Europa League.
That is Chelsea F.C.

Arsenal can't beat Chelsea F.C. without their first XI, unless Chelsea F.C. field an under-strength team as well.
Chelsea F.C. might do that, if they have a chance of the League, but would they do it against Arsenal? Doubtful.

I think Arsenal can beat Chelsea. Even if you see Chelsea as the better team, in one off games like the final worse sides than Arsenal have beaten better teams than Chelsea countless times. Even if we get them in a two-legged round, we beat them in the two-legged League Cup semi-final last season. Sure, Chelsea have a new coach who has improved them since then. But so have Arsenal who's had a similar impact. I'm not totally convinced Chelsea are better than us anyway. I don't think it'll be that much of a shock if we finish above them in the league this season.

dec · **#310491**

Decaf wrote:

Babu III wrote:

Would you sacrifice the Europa League semi-final for a chance of 4th place?

.. and would you exchange a walk on part in a war for a leading role in a cage?

Been listening to that a lot lately. It's magnificent

AmericanGooner · **#310492**

Babu III wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

But if one has to sacrificed, I'd say the Europa trophy. But I don't think that has to be until the semis or finals..

Would you sacrifice the Europa League semi-final for a chance of 4th place?

It completely depends on who we were facing. If its some Cinderalla club out of the Balkins, no. If its Chelsea, yes.

Bernard · **#310493**

AmericanGooner wrote:

Babu III wrote:

Would you sacrifice the Europa League semi-final for a chance of 4th place?

It completely depends on who we were facing. If its some Cinderalla club out of the Balkins, no. If its Chelsea, yes.

So if you would sacrifice a Europa League semi-final against Chelsea for a 'chance' of fourth place, you presumably don't think we'd have any chance of beating Chelsea?

Decaf · **#310494**

dec wrote:

Decaf wrote:

.. and would you exchange a walk on part in a war for a leading role in a cage?

Been listening to that a lot lately. It's magnificent

the whole floyd opus ...

Decaf · **#310495**

dec wrote:

Decaf wrote:

.. and would you exchange a walk on part in a war for a leading role in a cage?

Been listening to that a lot lately. It's magnificent

the whole floyd opus ...

Gaz from Oz · **#310496**

Helicopter crash outside Leicester stadium. Unsure whether the club owner is onboard.

gooner7 · **#310497**

Keep building the confidence ..... lean on the momentum of success and team spirit ..... Emery continue to work his tactical nous with the team ...... one or two good transfers into the team in January ........... and we might not have to worry too much about Chelsea. Belief is back!

gooner7 · **#310498**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Helicopter crash outside Leicester stadium. Unsure whether the club owner is onboard.

Fingers crossed for the best

AmericanGooner · **#310499**

I assumed there would be some difinitive word by now but sky sports has nothing really. I read in the BBC the word "explosion" , if so, I fear the worst but will pray for the best.

AmericanGooner · **#310500**

It won't happen (past acrimony and age, 31) but I'd welcome him back with open arms if he was willing to take a reduced role.
Not the favorite player by some or most gooners but he was my "Liam Brady" for a spell. My favorite player after the invincibles left. There may be some dispute to this but I saw Bergkamp as the finest passer I've witnessed in an Arsenal shirt and Fabregas just shades Özil, which is no criticism on Özil. I thought Fabregas saw more of the pitch than Özil with regards to passing. Both bloody good passers though in their own right and if one argues Özil was the better passer I'd certainly take no offense.

https://www.calciomercato.com/en/news/f ... -mes-24925

Gaz from Oz · **#310501**

gooner7 wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Helicopter crash outside Leicester stadium. Unsure whether the club owner is onboard.

Fingers crossed for the best

The coverage I saw showed intense heat so body identification will be difficult I would think. Av Gas of course, so not unexpected. Have seen nothing else but I wish no one such a demise.

AmericanGooner · **#310502**

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAn-J8_xUG8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur5GjTeCYHE

Decaf · **#310503**

Babu III wrote:

AmericanGooner wrote:

It won't happen (past acrimony and age, 31) but I'd welcome him back with open arms if he was willing to take a reduced role.
Not the favorite player by some or most gooners but he was my "Liam Brady" for a spell. My favorite player after the invincibles left. There may be some dispute to this but I saw Bergkamp as the finest passer I've witnessed in an Arsenal shirt and Fabregas just shades Özil, which is no criticism on Özil. I thought Fabregas saw more of the pitch than Özil with regards to passing. Both bloody good passers though in their own right and if one argues Özil was the better passer I'd certainly take no offense.

Some of Cesc's passing was out of this World.
Who will ever forget the back-heel to Iniesta, that set up Messi...

"It's messy; it's messy". Indeed.

Ash · **#310504**

Leno, Bellerin, Mustafi, Holding, Xhaka, Guendouzi, Torreira, Özil, Iwobi, Aubameyang, Lacazette

Subs: Čech, Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Ramsey, Smith Rowe, Mkhitartyan, Welbeck

Nice to see Holding keep his place, interesting to see Guendouzi come in to start, although Xhaka at LB has a say on that.

Palace struggling to score recently, usually I’d say they’re bound to reverse that against us but I’m starting to feel differently with this side.

2-0 win, 1 each for Aubameyang and Lacazette

Let’s make it 12!

Ash · **#310505**

Leno, Bellerin, Mustafi, Holding, Xhaka, Guendouzi, Torreira, Özil, Iwobi, Aubameyang, Lacazette

Subs: Čech, Lichtsteiner, Sokratis, Ramsey, Smith Rowe, Mkhitartyan, Welbeck

Nice to see Holding keep his place, interesting to see Guendouzi come in to start, although Xhaka at LB has a say on that.

Palace struggling to score recently, usually I’d say they’re bound to reverse that against us but I’m starting to feel differently with this side.

2-0 win, 1 each for Aubameyang and Lacazette

Let’s make it 12!

gooner7 · **#310506**

Don't be over confident Arsenal!
Play with committment and intensity. Build on the momentum and confidence with another win.

Decaf · **#310507**

gooner7 wrote:

Don't be over confident Arsenal!
Play with committment and intensity. Build on the momentum and confidence with another win.

Makeshift defenders always give me the willies.

gooner7 · **#310508**

2 very close calls. Get a grip Arsenal!!!!!

gooner7 · **#310509**

Lacazette Lacazette Lacazette ....

gooner7 · **#310510**

Bellerin Bellerin Bellerin !!!!!!

AmericanGooner · **#310511**

Palace look disciplined and threatening.
Bellerin, took more touches than a priest. Shoot the damn thing son!

gooner7 · **#310512**

AmericanGooner wrote:

Palace look disciplined and threatening.
Bellerin, took more touches than a priest. Shoot the damn thing son!

Who did the priest touch :42laughter:

gooner7 · **#310513**

We miss the runs down the left from Monreal. Xhaka is probably told not to attempt it. He is not fast enough to do it.

gooner7 · **#310514**

Clumsy Mustafi

warrior · **#310515**

long time gooner · **#310516**

Ah, that wasn’t in the script. Roll on the second half.

AmericanGooner · **#310517**

Palace haven't scored at home all season in the league...except against us.

Rich · **#310518**

Finally punished for our constant slow starts in games. Think holding had a good shout for a free kick as he put the ball out for the corner that lead to the goal, his shirt was ripped from it being held.

Shouldn’t be losing to this palace team

gooner7 · **#310519**

First test of our mental fortitude after a long time.

Aubameyang is disappointing

AmericanGooner · **#310520**

Game had draw written all over it before their goal. We'll see.

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