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Post #477721  Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:29 pm 
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The Gunners have bought only one great centre-back in years - Sol - and of the countless punts only Kolo and Koscielny worked out. Highly-rated men like Gallas and Vermaelen fell short of what was needed, as did many young prospects and not-so-young gambles. The current lot inspire little confidence. Nor does Vida. Boateng would be better.

How on earth can you imply Mertesacker didn't work out?


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Post #477722  Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:49 pm 
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Cheers, tom, I am a little sad at losing Ryan Woods who is both a really good player and a ginge - can't have enough of either as I am sure Babu will agree if he isn't drinking fentanyl tea and firing flares at the ceiling. Ex-gooner Nico Yennaris is still chugging around the midfield though.


Woods has improved so much as a player over the last 18 months. If he were a little bigger he'd be a target for top clubs. Sadly the Bees operational model means players have a habit of leaving just as they prove themselves. Bloody great start to the season though, and if the boys up front can be more productive than last season, the playoffs is definitely possible, even with the comings and goings.

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The Gunners have bought only one great centre-back in years - Sol - and of the countless punts only Kolo and Koscielny worked out. Highly-rated men like Gallas and Vermaelen fell short of what was needed, as did many young prospects and not-so-young gambles. The current lot inspire little confidence. Nor does Vida. Boateng would be better.

How on earth can you imply Mertesacker didn't work out?


Mertesacker was hardly a punt. Guy was an established regular for Germany with a lot of experience. Comes into the category of a good signing rather than unearthing a diamond or a truly great player like Sol. Arteta in a different way is similar. Both were good players, great pros and decent stop gaps, but neither would get near a best 22 of the last 20 years.

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Mertesacker was hardly a punt. Guy was an established regular for Germany with a lot of experience. Comes into the category of a good signing rather than unearthing a diamond or a truly great player like Sol. Arteta in a different way is similar. Both were good players, great pros and decent stop gaps, but neither would get near a best 22 of the last 20 years.

Whatever category you want to put him in, he is worthy of a mention as a fine signing. Hoy completely ignored him.


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Bernard wrote:
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The Gunners have bought only one great centre-back in years - Sol - and of the countless punts only Kolo and Koscielny worked out. Highly-rated men like Gallas and Vermaelen fell short of what was needed, as did many young prospects and not-so-young gambles. The current lot inspire little confidence. Nor does Vida. Boateng would be better.

How on earth can you imply Mertesacker didn't work out?
He was a good man for the club, but by the time Per came to us he was not what I think of as a top tier centre-back. Certainly not in the way that Terry, Carvalho, Rio or Campbell were. Enjoyable man all the same, and somebody I am glad wore the Arsenal shirt.

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Post #477726  Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 6:57 pm 
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The Gooner is suggesting my best case scenario i wrote yesterday is the one that will be happening only with 2.5 million more per annum than I suggested at 12.5 ... this was their tweet ...


“For the foreseeable future Stan Kroenke / KSE will only pay off interest on the loan he has taken out to fund acquisition of Usmanov's Arsenal shares. Means £12.5 million a year will need to come from club turnover as KSE have no other source of revenue”

So basically 46% of the growth of the new kit supply contract with Adidas will go to paying of a mortgage our rich owner took. 12.5 million is the annual wages of 2 or 3 world class players btw,

AST have suggested that arsenal have already paid 650 k or something in legal fees as part of the takeover. So it’s hit us already.

This also doesn’t cover the doomsday scenario which in the case of needing cash for this huge stadium KSE are building in LA they grab cash from one pot in London and hand it over to the construction project. (Remember how desperate we were at one stage for cash when building the Emirates)

I think this all points to the possibility of us no longer competing at the highest level anymore as we will be paying off stadium loans, interest only mortgages from Deutsche Bank and god knows what else rather than investing on the pitch. It’s an absolute *%^@*** disaster


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Post #477727  Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 7:47 pm 
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Hey Daz do you not still have a season ticket? Can I help you get rid of it temporarily or permanently?

Anyone else?


sorry let mine go this time round but will give you a shout if I hear of any games when tickets available among group I used to go with


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Perhaps it doesn't matter to many, but that our manager does not command enough English to speak to us half-acceptably, I find depressing.


who are we talking about here Emery or Wenger .... ? :angel8:


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Bernard wrote:
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Mertesacker was hardly a punt. Comes into the category of a good signing rather than unearthing a diamond or a truly great player like Sol. Arteta in a different way is similar. Both were good players, great pros and decent stop gaps, but neither would get near a best 22 of the last 20 years.

Hoy completely ignored him.

as did plenty of opposition attackers


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Perhaps it doesn't matter to many, but that our manager does not command enough English to speak to us half-acceptably, I find depressing.


who are we talking about here Emery or Wenger .... ? :angel8:
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Kiwi - Trucks, Rosas and Hidalgo. Some forward line.

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Seems like Perez has gone to West game, £5m. Pennies even if he is 29.
We really have to sort out our selling. It may take some time to shift what we can as soon as we can and then start a better strategy for brining players in and not paying them so much that they are impossible to shift on for any decent price.


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kiwipete wrote:
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Hoy completely ignored him.

as did plenty of opposition attackers

What spiteful bollocks. Utter claptrap too.


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Perhaps it doesn't matter to many, but that our manager does not command enough English to speak to us half-acceptably, I find depressing.


who are we talking about here Emery or Wenger .... ? :angel8:

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old man of hoy wrote:
kiwipete wrote:

who are we talking about here Emery or Wenger .... ? :angel8:
I'll leave you to decide!
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There are those that would say the one with the “better”English skills talked football gibberish in recent times anyway


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There seems to be very little agreement over Vida. Rich said he played well at the World Cup, as does a friend who isn't on the forum. But I've seen socrates and others who clearly don't rate him. Anyway, last day of the window so I doubt too much will happen with Arsenal. Which means, of course, if Ramsey and Welbeck don't move they're heading fast to being able to go on a free transfer next year.


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Carl Jenkinson might be on his way to Swansea. Amazingly he still has 2 years left on a £45k per week contract!


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Bernard wrote:
There seems to be very little agreement over Vida. Rich said he played well at the World Cup, as does a friend who isn't on the forum. But I've seen socrates and others who clearly don't rate him. Anyway, last day of the window so I doubt too much will happen with Arsenal. Which means, of course, if Ramsey and Welbeck don't move they're heading fast to being able to go on a free transfer next year.

I haven’t seen anything of Vida, and hadn’t heard of him before the World Cup. I think he did the basic things well, he was aggressive, not bad for pace, good in the air, strong in the tackle and formed part of an organised defence that went to the final and stopped Messi and Kane.

Football is littered with players who have a purple patch a tournaments and bomb after. The worry for me is that at 29 why hasn’t he had a big club in for him before, and would he be having clubs after him now without a few good games at a World Cup?


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It does seem strange to let a Chambers go without having another CB basically lined up to come in. Mustafi, Sokratis, Holding and Mavropanos do not, for a variety of reasons, look like the greatest of CB options. To me Holding is the one who needs to loan spell but some people are suggesting his ability to play left side CB is the reason we kept him.


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Perez has joined West Ham on a permanent deal. Presume that means we're keeping Welbeck.


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Apologies for sounding like a broken record but not signing a left back is utter madness. If Nacho gets crocked (and is already apparently) we are down to AMN playing there. Totally unfair on him and teams will tear us a new one down that side. Cannot believe Emery can't see that.


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Bernard wrote:
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as did plenty of opposition attackers

What spiteful bollocks. Utter claptrap too.


Haven't seen anything as undeservedly vicious and cruel since people laughed at Clichy for deciding to read the final report of the Chilcott Inquiry rather than pass the ball in the closing stages of a NLD.


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Daz wrote:
Haven't seen anything as undeservedly vicious and cruel since people laughed at Clichy for deciding to read the final report of the Chilcott Inquiry rather than pass the ball in the closing stages of a NLD.

I'm pleased to hear you now think that Daz. Credit to you for that.


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Bernard wrote:
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Haven't seen anything as undeservedly vicious and cruel since people laughed at Clichy for deciding to read the final report of the Chilcott Inquiry rather than pass the ball in the closing stages of a NLD.

I'm pleased to hear you now think that Daz. Credit to you for that.

I'd take Clichy at left back now if the alternative is playing AMN there for any length of time


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I'm pleased to hear you now think that Daz. Credit to you for that.

I'd take Clichy at left back now if the alternative is playing AMN there for any length of time

Disagree. I think AMN is a decent player as it stands and will only get better. I would prefer him there to Kolasinac who I think is a bit of a lump.

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Bernard wrote:
Perez has joined West Ham on a permanent deal. Presume that means we're keeping Welbeck.

Lucas Pérez departs

Arsenal have sold 29-year old Spanish forward Lucas Pérez to West Ham for a £4m initial fee.
He becomes player number 11 to leave the club this season, taking Arsenal's net spend to -£64.5m so far.


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I'd take Clichy at left back now if the alternative is playing AMN there for any length of time

Disagree. I think AMN is a decent player as it stands and will only get better. I would prefer him there to Kolasinac who I think is a bit of a lump.

I am not disparaging AMN in any way, I thought I was pretty clear on that. I think he is going to be a fine player for us. But he's not a left back and it is unfair on him to expect him to be one.

I want us to play an actual left back in the left back position.


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tomc wrote:
I am not disparaging AMN in any way, I thought I was pretty clear on that. I think he is going to be a fine player for us. But he's not a left back and it is unfair on him to expect him to be one.

I want us to play an actual left back in the left back position.

What's actually wrong with Monreal? I thought he was our player of the season for 2017/18.


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Bernard wrote:
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I am not disparaging AMN in any way, I thought I was pretty clear on that. I think he is going to be a fine player for us. But he's not a left back and it is unfair on him to expect him to be one.

I want us to play an actual left back in the left back position.

What's actually wrong with Monreal? I thought he was our player of the season for 2017/18.

if he's fit Bernard there's nothing wrong with him, and I agree with you re last season. But if he's carrying an injury and the cover for him is a midfield player it's not ideal is it.


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Hmmmm......
Everton just spent a shed load of cash in a last minute dash. I wonder who funded that business?

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Letting chambers go and not trying a new CB seems odd and ill planned.

I think we had a recall clause, if we have I can see it being activated, if we haven’t I can see us desperately needing another CB in the jan window.


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Hoy completely ignored him.

as did plenty of opposition attackers

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Everton just spent a shed load of cash in a last minute dash. I wonder who funded that business?


Stan has made an enemy by shutting Usmanov out, that could be a mistake as Everton funded by Usmanov are obviously a big threat to Arsenal getting back in to the big 4, they should have worked together and although I think Usmanov is a sh*t for selling to Stan, Stan created this situation and hopefully it may be what ultimately makes him sell up when (if) the fans begin to seriously turn against him when we are languishing in midtable.

He can't just move the club like he does in the US when things turn sour, well I guess he could try but where would he move Arsenal?, it's just not plausible.

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I think we're going to have ups and downs this year as Emery gets his ideas across, no doubt we'll have to be patient, which after years of Wenger telling us to be patient and 'judge me in May' might seem hard to swallow for Arsenal fans. Emery will need time, Pep needed time with an infinite budget.

I would love us to get back in the top 4 but it might not be realistic, our best chance would be to overtake a stagnant spurs and a haphazard chelsea. The other way back in to the Champions League is obviously the Europa League. I'd be surprised if Chelsea and ourselves aren't favourites at the moment, it just depends who drops down from the CL groups - but it shouldn't be too taxing for us to make the QF by still resting a lot of players.

I want to see the following this year:
Evidence of off the ball work, high press and high tempo
Better results against the top 5, including some tactical plan of how we beat these superior teams
Better team organisation defensively ie: none of the hopeless 'no idea' defending and huge holes in our central midfield
In match changes and tactical tweaks from the manager when things obviously aren't working


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Just read Fulham have spent over £100m. That is crazy for a newly promoted club with a tiny ground


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What’s jenkinson going to do for 12 months with the window shut? Play tiddlywinks literally


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old man of hoy wrote:
Kiwi - Trucks, Rosas and Hidalgo. Some forward line.

https://youtu.be/sAT6yPmTvII

Appreciate the thought ..... little bit too much like a jam session for me Old Man ... they all seem to be wrapped up in doing their own thing .


Have a go at this turkey , his facial expressions are a bit loopy but he sure as hell can play a guitar .. love the way he switches from "Pipeline" into " Walk Dont Run "

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Bernard wrote:
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as did plenty of opposition attackers

What spiteful bollocks. Utter claptrap too.

:laughing7: Well that certainly got the desired response ..... my mate Arsenalia seemed to think it was okay ...

Just a gentle jibe knowing full well anytime Mertesacker or Clichy get a mention you come racing out of your lair like some demented trap door spider .

Nice little glass of NZ Sauv Blanc watch Episode 200058 of "The Sweeney "..... calm will be restored


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My early season prediction, both Manchester sides and Liverpool battle out for the title finish top 3. We get 4th, Tottenham and Chelsea batle for 5th and 6th.

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