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Post #307961  Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:21 pm 
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Love Scotland which is the most beautiful country in this island and it has amazing people there with real values that people don’t possess in the south but in my opinion it has a massive problem with overt nationalism and sectarianism in the most illogical way. I find it depressing so you can imagine my thoughts during the indie referendum :laughing7:

Beautiful country for sure, some lovely people too but some aspects that are not so appealing. The Old Firm derby is something to behold - was 6 when my uncle first took me. Nobody in the crowd paying too much attention to the carnage going on on the pitch, too busy hurling abuse at one another. I was too young to understand the songs but vividly remember the sea of Union Jacks at one end and Irish flags at the other. My dad refused to buy me a Rangers kit (he also refused an invite to join the local lodge) so my first kit was Greenock Morton.


Never went to an Old Firm but saw Arsenal play a friendly at Ibrox years ago and It will always stick in the memory as the ground in the UK I saw our players getting the worst racial abuse I’ve witnessed. Ian Wright in particular was getting monkey noises every time he touched the ball and people around me (I was in the home end) were shouting stuff about coconuts and things. Since that day I’ve always been desperate for us to draw them in the European cup or something and absolutely destroy them.

Celtic aren’t much better to be honest too. Their fans see themselves as some kind of trendy IRA lite freedom fighters or something. Have a look at this you tube to see what I mean

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The whole thing in Scotland is the most utterly pathetic thing I’ve witnessed from a bunch of grown adults behaving like school kids.


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Reports that Conte has been sacked by Chelsea. No real surprise but I thought it would have happened at the end of the season.

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Is Scotland really that screwed up? Daz, you mentioned that in Wales the anti-English sentiment is confined to sport. The same applies in Ireland apart from the extremist republican loons. And with sport, it is mainly the rugby and soccer teams. Even at that, I would say the support for England's opponents in football is largely influenced by years of ridiculous hype by the English media. For my generation the genesis of this was the 1986 world cup and Jimmy Hill laughing on commentary as England scored a second or third goal and then the explosive reaction to Maradona.

After that, it was tournament after tournament of England talking about winning it beforehand and frequently based on no reasonable assessment of the team. It's worth pointing out that the majority of Irish football fans were cheering for England in 1966.

All of that bears no relation whatsoever to how the Irish view the English. To the majority of us, you are our greatest friends. Just not on the football pitch.

Also, international qualifying campaigns might be a slog but Euro and World Cup finals are far more enjoyable than PL and CL football.

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Another piece of good news. As expected, the cursory appointment of Kos as Captain, out of respect to both Wenger and Kos. But, the comments he made, is very clear what he thinks of Kos as Captain. I am happy he has these thoughts. We have had ineffective Captains/Leaders for too long now.

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Post #307965  Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 4:08 am 
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Sabir has told me that today is Steve Williams' 60th birthday. DOB 12th July 1958.


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England losing just goes to show how much luck it takes to win a world cup. Much better teams had already exited giving England the easiest possible draw they could ever hope for. Unfortunately at the same time they also didnt have some of the players they probably needed to take advantage. Doesnt take away from this tournament though which has overall been excellent.

French overwhelming favourites but will be supporting Croatia to win it now.

I think you could have stopped after the first sentence.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing, and makes pundits look good. But both of the semis, and many of the other key games in the competition, could have gone the other way. Some of the results (Spain and Germany going out) were a bit freakish but mostly the margins have been very fine. Croatia have shown tremendous guts and skill and they are good to watch, but coming through three games like that also requires luck ... a bit like winning three coin tosses in a row. Good luck to them in the final.


Was kind of my point although I only focussed on the English side of it. Equally Belgium could have easily lost to Japan if they'd been able to shutdown defensively.

Like you said the margins have been very fine which has contributed to it being such a good a great World Cup to watch.


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NZ didn't win the 2010 World Cup despite being unbeaten.

I can imagine the Columbians suing Fifa for losing despite not losing.

They did lose. They lost to the Japanese 1-2


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Sabir has told me that today is Steve Williams' 60th birthday. DOB 12th July 1958.

Who is Steve Williams?

I didn't realise you are still so young you must still be at primary school.


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Tough to call the Belgium vs England game. I think it depends on whether or not Belgium are still bitter. If they have some pride and I am going to assume so..then they will do enough to win.

Im also guessing England wants it more. 3rd place would be over achieving for their expectations. 2-1 Belgium in a tough game.



Apparantly Ive been going about it all wrong. :icon_mrgreen:

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When it comes to World Cup I always support all the teams in the UK and Ireland and actually when Ireland in particular don’t qualify I always think the tournament misses something.
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Particularly this year, don't you think? The tournament has felt utterly hollow without that undefinable whatever-it-is that Ireland provide. It just been cheap, meaningless thrills.

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So you Brits have made the US president feel unwelcome. Breaking all the protocols of over 200 years of friendship. Jeopardizing the 'special relationship'. All because of Trump eh?

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When it comes to World Cup I always support all the teams in the UK and Ireland and actually when Ireland in particular don’t qualify I always think the tournament misses something.
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Particularly this year, don't you think? The tournament has felt utterly hollow without that undefinable whatever-it-is that Ireland provide. It just been cheap, meaningless thrills.

No not really it’s been great I just personally like it when more of our teams are present that’s all.


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Particularly this year, don't you think? The tournament has felt utterly hollow without that undefinable whatever-it-is that Ireland provide. It just been cheap, meaningless thrills.

No not really it’s been great I just personally like it when more of our teams are present that’s all.

Scotland are also missed, with heroic defeats and comical mishaps being their specialty at one stage. They went out of goal difference in the first round three times running in the 1970s and 1980s when they actually had a great team. It was like Culloden every time :1cry:

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It was like Culloden every time :1cry:

I went to Culloden as a kid. We had a holiday in Scotland and when we went to Inverness, visited where the battle took place.


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So you Brits have made the US president feel unwelcome. Breaking all the protocols of over 200 years of friendship. Jeopardizing the 'special relationship'. All because of Trump eh?

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Bernard wrote:
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It was like Culloden every time :1cry:

I went to Culloden as a kid. We had a holiday in Scotland and when we went to Inverness, visited where the battle took place.

My grandmother was from the Black Isle.

I've only ever visited that part of the world once, back in 96. I hiked down the Great Glen from Inverness and then around Skye ... quite the most beautiful and evocative scenery I have seen. Even South Africa and Zimbabwe (where I grew up) can't quite match it.

I didn't get to Culloden, however.

Edit: actually it was '92--Denmark were winning the Euros

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Sabir has told me that today is Steve Williams' 60th birthday. DOB 12th July 1958.


Who is Steve Williams?

South African guy I worked with at Gove , one of the very few South Africans who did a bit .

One day we were sitting chilling out , waiting for the kiln to be turned .

He's looking at his fancy arsed phone , one of the one's you dial up NASA etc bit more of a rarity eight years back .

He said ....... "Hey Piet ... do want to have a look at my house back in Durban " He lived in Perth but rents his house back in SA

" Yeah sure Steve "

He dials up Google Maps ...scrolling down the street ... "that's my auntie's place " ... couple of doors down proud as Punch " and that's my place " .......

" Hey that motherf**cker , he hasn't mowed my lawns " :laughing7:


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That Trump protest march, I never thought it would be possible to look at thousands of people and see such diversity of weirdness. It's like the Cirque du Soleil tryouts :laughing7:

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So many Spurs players in this 3rd place match

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So many Spurs players in this 3rd place match

Arsenal got a mention when Vermaelen came in. Is Welbeck on the subs bench?


Vermaelen was one of our better Captains

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Seems like if you want to get away with a foul at this World Cup rather than attempt to play the ball or swing a leg, step on someone’s foot. Seen so many that have just been ignored by referees.


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The new Arsenal team is winning 8-0 again at Boreham Wood. From the comments, the team moves from defence to attack at a rapid pace. And movement off the ball is good.

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Kane
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Trippier
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Have I missed anyone? Spurs third place playoff.

Loftus-Cheek off. All the creativity in midfield, what little there was, now gone. Unless England can address that this is the furthest they’ll get in for the forseeable. Apart from that not a terrible side. Could we nationalise some Croatians do you think?


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Kane
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Have I missed anyone? Spurs third place playoff.

Loftus-Cheek off. All the creativity in midfield, what little there was, now gone. Unless England can address that this is the furthest they’ll get in for the forseeable. Apart from that not a terrible side. Could we nationalise some Croatians do you think?


Alderwield and Vertongen

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TH14 assistant coach for Belgium. A stepping stone to either France or Arsenal manager?

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Kane
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Have I missed anyone? Spurs third place playoff.

Loftus-Cheek off. All the creativity in midfield, what little there was, now gone. Unless England can address that this is the furthest they’ll get in for the forseeable. Apart from that not a terrible side. Could we nationalise some Croatians do you think?


Alderwield and Vertongen


Oh yeah! My gosh 7 players. England could have done with Ericsson and Belgium could do with Kane up front, Lukaku had one of his sledgehammer feet games.

Edit:Or even when eight. I should give up shouldn’t I. My point being, if I have one, a lot of Spurs players, which you already said.


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Oh yeah! My gosh 7 players. England could have done with Ericsson and Belgium could do with Kane up front, Lukaku had one of his sledgehammer feet games.

Edit:Or even when eight. I should give up shouldn’t I. My point being, if I have one, a lot of Spurs players, which you already said.


I think their entire first team squad is/was at the World Cup.

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The new Arsenal team is winning 8-0 again at Boreham Wood. From the comments, the team moves from defence to attack at a rapid pace. And movement off the ball is good.


https://youtu.be/PCkzlEBA5TE

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Sokratis never stopped organising but made a couple of mistakes that could easily have led to goals. They didn't trouble the defence apart from a few breaks when they could have and should have scored.

Reis Nelson had a very good game and other than Aubameyang was the standout layer in the first half. Perez number 28, at least I think it was him, had a busy second half doing a Sterling most of the time. Eddie scored one and made a couple but didn't seem very happy with the Jeff who also scored one.

Enertaining but proved nothing imo.


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Sokratis never stopped organising but made a couple of mistakes that could easily have led to goals. They didn't trouble the defence apart from a few breaks when they could have and should have scored.

Reis Nelson had a very good game and other than Aubameyang was the standout layer in the first half. Perez number 28, at least I think it was him, had a busy second half doing a Sterling most of the time. Eddie scored one and made a couple but didn't seem very happy with the Jeff who also scored one.

Enertaining but proved nothing imo.


Fair assessment. Why do you say Eddie didn’t seem happy with the Jeff? With his play? Nelson seemed very assured and took his goal very well. Intersting that he is seemingly on the brink of the first team squad and we didn’t sign any wingers. Big chance for him but he still hasn’t signed has he?


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Sokratis never stopped organising but made a couple of mistakes that could easily have led to goals. They didn't trouble the defence apart from a few breaks when they could have and should have scored.

Reis Nelson had a very good game and other than Aubameyang was the standout layer in the first half. Perez number 28, at least I think it was him, had a busy second half doing a Sterling most of the time. Eddie scored one and made a couple but didn't seem very happy with the Jeff who also scored one.

Enertaining but proved nothing imo.


Fair assessment. Why do you say Eddie didn’t seem happy with the Jeff? With his play? Nelson seemed very assured and took his goal very well. Intersting that he is seemingly on the brink of the first team squad and we didn’t sign any wingers. Big chance for him but he still hasn’t signed has he?


Eddies was a great goal a real poacher's goal. Check out the highlights just after Jeff scored he tried another shot when Eddie was better placed and blew it. Eddie's reaction was possibly ott but imo Jeff shouldn't have tried the shot. Jenkinson tried one first half and never tried again. unfortunately nothing stood out about his play to say he'd make it this season either.


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Fair assessment. Why do you say Eddie didn’t seem happy with the Jeff? With his play? Nelson seemed very assured and took his goal very well. Intersting that he is seemingly on the brink of the first team squad and we didn’t sign any wingers. Big chance for him but he still hasn’t signed has he?


Eddies was a great goal a real poacher's goal. Check out the highlights just after Jeff scored he tried another shot when Eddie was better placed and blew it. Eddie's reaction was possibly ott but imo Jeff shouldn't have tried the shot. Jenkinson tried one first half and never tried again. unfortunately nothing stood out about his play to say he'd make it this season either.

Didn't see the game but Jeorge Bird's report gave a lot of praise to Emile Smith-Rowe. How did he look?


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Enertaining but proved nothing imo.

We played little more than a pub team so I'd agree it proves little. But our possession game seemed to have a bit more pace to it. I hope I wasn't imagining it.


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Enertaining but proved nothing imo.

We played little more than a pub team so I'd agree it proves little. But our possession game seemed to have a bit more pace to it. I hope I wasn't imagining it.

Everton beat some Austrian team 22-0 today
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TH14 assistant coach for Belgium. A stepping stone to either France or Arsenal manager?


Assuming Emery works out, and Arsenal's reputation for giving manager's time, I can't see the Arsenal job opening up for some time. I don't think Henry will go from assistant of the Belgian squad to head of France without some years managing a club successfully. French manager is one of the top 3-5 jobs in the world. I can see him managing a smaller country or a club.

I will say this though, he will get part of the credit for the Belgian success, so his CV is looking good. Like all gooners, wishing him the very best. I'm also curious to see how Vieira does at Nice. I'll be cheering for them....and him.

A Vieira/Henry, manager, assistant manager role for Arsenal in the future? Hmmm... :53big-emoticons:

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If Croatia starts out like they did against England, it could be a long day for them and a lopsided score. What's the biggest result in a world cup final anyway?

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Eddies was a great goal a real poacher's goal. Check out the highlights just after Jeff scored he tried another shot when Eddie was better placed and blew it. Eddie's reaction was possibly ott but imo Jeff shouldn't have tried the shot. Jenkinson tried one first half and never tried again. unfortunately nothing stood out about his play to say he'd make it this season either.

Didn't see the game but Jeorge Bird's report gave a lot of praise to Emile Smith-Rowe. How did he look?


Worst thing was the lack of a programme so couldn't identify players I didn't know. What number was Smith-Rowe? Viewing Arsenal.com was also pointless as they didn't give the players numbers either. If he was a fair haired kid he was getting involved in a lot of play and yes had a good game.


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Didn't see the game but Jeorge Bird's report gave a lot of praise to Emile Smith-Rowe. How did he look?


Worst thing was the lack of a programme so couldn't identify players I didn't know. What number was Smith-Rowe? Viewing Arsenal.com was also pointless as they didn't give the players numbers either. If he was a fair haired kid he was getting involved in a lot of play and yes had a good game.

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Worst thing was the lack of a programme so couldn't identify players I didn't know. What number was Smith-Rowe? Viewing Arsenal.com was also pointless as they didn't give the players numbers either. If he was a fair haired kid he was getting involved in a lot of play and yes had a good game.

Yes, blonde hair. Thanks. He's supposed to be quite a prospect.

There was a programme although i didn't buy it. I think the fair haired kid wore the number 35 shirt.


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