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Gaz from Oz · **#303721**

lomekian wrote:

Gaz from Oz wrote:

No he doesn't care, but the good thing is that if they keep him for another year he will start personal attacks on players and spend a lot more money hopefully without a trophy. Don't want them to win the FA Cup. Hope he brings total chaos to their club.

There's a chance!

Sánchez signed a 4½ year contract with United to June 2022 that is worth around £600,000 a week once a £20 million signing on fee, bonuses and image rights are factored in. It makes him comfortably the highest paid player in Premier League history. Total contract value £140m.

Other players agents are knocking on the door.

Wouldn't it be great if he was as disaster for them!

It would take me a while to recover because I would be laughing so hard.

Gaz from Oz · **#303722**

I would not be shocked if Chelsea beat Barca in tomorrows game.

Decaf · **#303723**

lomekian wrote:

Decaf wrote:

Wenger sold Vieira and tried to redesign the team around Cesc. It didn't quite work. Why not? Because Cesc wasn't quite good enough? Was Cesc really not as good as Xavi? Or because we had horrible luck with injuries in that period? We look back and try to find reasons, but I think a lot of what happen in sport is luck. More specifically, bad luck.

As for your second point: I completely agree. A lot of the old zest and zing had gone and I don't even miss it. If I had anything like Wenger's money I would retire immediately and fade away gracefully. Evidently Wenger is more a 'Rage, rage against the dying of the light', rather than a "bring the sundowners and turn down the sheets" sort of bloke.

Injuries and lack of funds were a factor, but no....Cesc wasn't as good as Xavi, who is the best passer of through balls I have seen in my life, bar perhaps Dennis. Also, lets face it, Barca were great, but most of their domination is down to Messi. Playing that kind of football is a lot easier with a generational genius. The guy isn't a striker, but by the age of 30 he has 600 career goals and about half as many assists. To think, his family were in discussion with Wenger when we got Cesc....

I agree. Xavi was superb. My point (and obviously Wengers thinking) was that Cesc was at that level. Also, if Xavi hadn't been around and Cesc had played with Iniesta and Messi in his formative years instead of being allowed to become the prima donna at Arsenal, he might have approached Xavi's level of effectiveness.

(The only reason I mentioned Xavi is that it would be ridiculous to compare Cesc to Iniesta let alone Messi ... )

TOP GUN · **#303724**

How can you have Per Mertesacker taking a role at the academy but choose to not utilise the experience of Tony Adams or Martin Keown who are arsenal through and through. It just makes zero sense

AmericanGooner · **#303725**

I think it was Rich who posted about Man Utd fans and Sanchez. Frankly, Man Utd fans are spoiled kids. If you don't come in and are Pele, they have an issue. Sanchez is fine, he'll figure out Mourinho's system. They got him for nothing. Shouldn't be complaining about anything. Can't take Man Utd fans opinion on anything regarding their squad because they are what you guys call 'blinkered' .

Gaz from Oz · **#303726**

So the off season nonsense has started.
http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/12/arsenal-r ... s-7382377/

Lets get rid of our youngest defender to fund buying whom ? 3 players for 50mil.

TOP GUN · **#303727**

would any of you lot go to the World Cup in Russia this summer? :laughing7:

I wouldn't

Surely it's a recipe for absolute disaster that's about to happen

Bernard1 · **#303728**

TOP GUN wrote:

How can you have Per Mertesacker taking a role at the academy but choose to not utilise the experience of Tony Adams or Martin Keown who are arsenal through and through. It just makes zero sense

Isn't Mertesacker Arsenal through and through as well?

warrior · **#303729**

Bernard wrote:

Isn't Mertesacker Arsenal through and through as well?

Not for much longer ...

Arsenal defender Per Mertesacker reveals he never wants to play again as he announces retirement:
'My body is finished... I would rather sit in the stands and then I will feel free'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... again.html

TOP GUN · **#303730**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

How can you have Per Mertesacker taking a role at the academy but choose to not utilise the experience of Tony Adams or Martin Keown who are arsenal through and through. It just makes zero sense

Isn't Mertesacker Arsenal through and through as well?

No.

(Doesn’t require an explanation)

Decaf · **#303731**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

How can you have Per Mertesacker taking a role at the academy but choose to not utilise the experience of Tony Adams or Martin Keown who are arsenal through and through. It just makes zero sense

Isn't Mertesacker Arsenal through and through as well?

He is. Per strikes me as exactly the person you want in such a role. In fact, I can see him as a future manager of the club.

I'm not so sure about Adams, regardless of his talent and passion as a player. Also, certain of our ex-players seem to have axes to grind.

dec · **#303732**

Bernard wrote:

lomekian wrote:

Sánchez signed a 4½ year contract with United to June 2022 that is worth around £600,000 a week once a £20 million signing on fee, bonuses and image rights are factored in. It makes him comfortably the highest paid player in Premier League history. Total contract value £140m.

I'm sure the AST said last week that Özil's new deal is worth 200m Euros. That's just over £177m.

That figure for Özil couldn't be accurate. He signed a three and a half year deal. £177m would equate to close to £1m per week. Most of the press reported that Özil's deal puts him as the second highest player in the PL, but quite a bit behind Sanchez, whose deal is absolutely enormous.

Decaf · **#303733**

TOP GUN wrote:

Bernard wrote:

Isn't Mertesacker Arsenal through and through as well?

No.

(Doesn’t require an explanation)

It does.

If Martin Keown is Arsenal through and through (despite his travels) why not Per?

dec · **#303734**

TOP GUN wrote:

would any of you lot go to the World Cup in Russia this summer? :laughing7:

I wouldn't

Surely it's a recipe for absolute disaster that's about to happen

A friend of mine was at the England v Russia game in the Euros. He is Irish but was over in France for 10 days so went to that match and one of Ireland's games. He said the aftermath out on the streets was very scary. Black vans with blacked out windows would pull up. Six or seven Russians jumped out and starting kicking the shite out of the nearest supporters for a few minutes. Back into the van and onto the next street. It was completely orchestrated.

dec · **#303735**

TOP GUN wrote:

How can you have Per Mertesacker taking a role at the academy but choose to not utilise the experience of Tony Adams or Martin Keown who are arsenal through and through. It just makes zero sense

I can see why he would do it. Keown is a TV man. I think ex-players should do one or the other or else confine their media work to other leagues or international matches. There is a conflict of interest in working for Arsenal during the week and then criticising the club on national television on a Saturday night.

As for Adams, his coaching career hasn't exactly been impressive. He also comes across as a pretty odd sort. Young players might look up to him, but it doesn't mean that they would gain a huge amount from him.

TOP GUN · **#303736**

dec wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

would any of you lot go to the World Cup in Russia this summer? :laughing7:

I wouldn't

Surely it's a recipe for absolute disaster that's about to happen

A friend of mine was at the England v Russia game in the Euros. He is Irish but was over in France for 10 days so went to that match and one of Ireland's games. He said the aftermath out on the streets was very scary. Black vans with blacked out windows would pull up. Six or seven Russians jumped out and starting kicking the shite out of the nearest supporters for a few minutes. Back into the van and onto the next street. It was completely orchestrated.

the government and football association must be really concerned.

I can just see thousands of drunken England fans rocking up singing songs about the spy and no surrender(all the usual guff) and what could occur could be very serious.

Bernard1 · **#303737**

TOP GUN wrote:

Bernard wrote:

Isn't Mertesacker Arsenal through and through as well?

No.

(Doesn’t require an explanation)

I'd say it does require an explanation. I see Mertesacker as Arsenal through and through, even if he wasn't at Adams and Keown's level as a player. Retiring from playing doesn't change that.

Bernard1 · **#303738**

dec wrote:

That figure for Özil couldn't be accurate. He signed a three and a half year deal. £177m would equate to close to £1m per week. Most of the press reported that Özil's deal puts him as the second highest player in the PL, but quite a bit behind Sanchez, whose deal is absolutely enormous.

It does sound excessive, although don't forget what might have been a massive signing on fee that would have been part of the £177m. But it's what the AST's financial expert said.

dec · **#303739**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

No.

(Doesn’t require an explanation)

I'd say it does require an explanation. I see Mertesacker as Arsenal through and through, even if he wasn't at Adams and Keown's level as a player. Retiring from playing doesn't change that.

I see him as an Arsenal man. He followed the team as a kid. Didn't he have an aunt living in London and used to come here in the summer and was an Arsenal fan as a result? Also, that FA Cup final against Chelsea was something special and will live long in the memory.

He comes across as an intelligent guy and because he was far from a natural athlete, he had to use his brains to defend. Hopefully he will have the ability to pass that onto younger players.

TOP GUN · **#303740**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

No.

(Doesn’t require an explanation)

I'd say it does require an explanation. I see Mertesacker as Arsenal through and through, even if he wasn't at Adams and Keown's level as a player. Retiring from playing doesn't change that.

"When I first came to Arsenal, I realised the back four were all university graduates in the art of defending. As for Tony Adams, I consider him to be a doctor of defence." Wenger

... then to answer your question why not in involve him and choose per instead who will probably teach the kids how to duck out of crosses at anfield

Bernard1 · **#303741**

TOP GUN wrote:

"When I first came to Arsenal, I realised the back four were all university graduates in the art of defending. As for Tony Adams, I consider him to be a doctor of defence." Wenger

... then to answer your question why not in involve him and choose per instead who will probably teach the kids how to duck out of crosses at anfield

Being outstanding at something doesn't necessarily mean you can teach it. As well as being an Arsenal man Mertesacker strikes me as potentially a better coach than Adams. I think your last sentence is unfounded nonsense.

TOP GUN · **#303742**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

"When I first came to Arsenal, I realised the back four were all university graduates in the art of defending. As for Tony Adams, I consider him to be a doctor of defence." Wenger

... then to answer your question why not in involve him and choose per instead who will probably teach the kids how to duck out of crosses at anfield

Being outstanding at something doesn't necessarily mean you can teach it. As well as being an Arsenal man Mertesacker strikes me as potentially a better coach than Adams. I think your last sentence is unfounded nonsense.

Really ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... field.html

:15laughter:

Bernard1 · **#303743**

TOP GUN wrote:

Bernard wrote:

.
Being outstanding at something doesn't necessarily mean you can teach it. As well as being an Arsenal man Mertesacker strikes me as potentially a better coach than Adams. I think your last sentence is unfounded nonsense.

Really ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... field.html

:15laughter:

Yes, really. That picture doesn't mean he'll teach youngsters to duck out the way of the ball, which was your idiotic claim. I'm sure Per could give a valid explanation why he was crouching at that point anyway that wouldn't include ducking.

TOP GUN · **#303744**

Bernard wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Really ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... field.html

:15laughter:

Yes, really. That picture doesn't mean he'll teach youngsters to duck out the way of the ball, which was your idiotic claim. I'm sure Per could give a valid explanation why he was crouching at that point anyway that wouldn't include ducking.

He often ducked. Did it againest villa and all sorts.

How is he supposed to teach kids how to defend if he can't conquer his personal fear of the flying ball?

TOP GUN · **#303745**

lomekian wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

would any of you lot go to the World Cup in Russia this summer? :laughing7:

I wouldn't

Surely it's a recipe for absolute disaster that's about to happen

To be fair as a fairly politically vocal actor with brown skin, long hair and friends who are ex-russian, there are a LOT of reasons why I wouldn't go!

TOP GUN · **#303746**

lomekian wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

the government and football association must be really concerned.

I can just see thousands of drunken England fans rocking up singing songs about the spy and no surrender(all the usual guff) and what could occur could be very serious.

Any English fans who start that whole 'no-surrender' idiocy in Russia would have to be monumentally stupid - I mean going to Russia and goading the Russians with the old school hooligan nonsense is akin to applying for a Darwin award.

Mate seriously I followed England before and away in Berlin they did the old German bombers songs, no surrender etc etc many still do it today except sing no surrender to the taleban rather than IRA. Total morons England fans still think it's the 80s

It's bound to kick off on so many levels.

TOP GUN · **#303747**

Update, we are about to expel 23 Russian diplomats and the royal family won't be attending the World Cup. (They probably are worried about getting their heads kicked in too)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43402506

Bernard1 · **#303748**

lomekian wrote:

Bernard wrote:

I'm sure the AST said last week that Özil's new deal is worth 200m Euros. That's just over £177m.

That simply isn't and cannot be correct. The very highest estimate of his contractual worth (including signing on fees etc) is £350k p/w. For 3 1/2 years. which totals at £63m.

Your figure for the length of Özil's contract would make him on £972k p/w and by far the highest paid player in the world. I'd suggest that either you've remembered it wrong or someone said something that is inaccurate to a spectacular degree.

All I can say is that he said 200m euros. I'm pretty sure of that. I'm not saying the AST figure is right and he didn't say what made it up. But to repeat myself, I'm pretty sure it's what he said.

Bernard1 · **#303749**

TOP GUN wrote:

He often ducked. Did it againest villa and all sorts.

How is he supposed to teach kids how to defend if he can't conquer his personal fear of the flying ball?

Well I don't remember him often ducking. Are you trying to subtlely change your slant from him not being an Arsenal man to him not being qualified to coach because you think he ducked against Liverpool and Aston Villa?

I'll make two points. I consider Per a big Arsenal man. And his personality gives me the impression he'll be a good influence on young players.

Niall · **#303750**

TOP GUN wrote:

the royal family won't be attending the World Cup.

All in all, a dreadful day for football.

Lincoln gooner · **#303751**

Niall wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

the royal family won't be attending the World Cup.

All in all, a dreadful day for football.

Lincoln gooner · **#303752**

Besiktas lose 1-8 on aggregate to Bayern.
Better than we managed. :20hospitals:

kiwipete · **#303753**

Niall wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

the royal family won't be attending the World Cup.

All in all, a dreadful day for football.

kiwipete · **#303754**

warrior wrote:

Professor Stephen Hawking has died, aged 76

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/pro ... 4z4c4.html

what is it first up in the Warrior household .... coffee , toast and a nice little half hour reading the obituary column ...?

Rich · **#303755**

Sanchez has given the ball away 247 times in his 10 games for Man U....over 100 times more than the next Man U player.

He gave he ball away 43 times having only had 68 touches of the ball against Seville

Fair to say it hasn’t gone well for him so far....

TOP GUN · **#303756**

bromley gooner wrote:

Besiktas lose 1-8 on aggregate to Bayern.
Better than we managed. :20hospitals:

Bloody hell I mean that's pretty damning. There's probably 10 to 15 major catastrophic disaster that should have called for Wenger getting the boot and the 10-1 was one of them.

Pete on the beach · **#303757**

TOP GUN wrote:

bromley gooner wrote:

Besiktas lose 1-8 on aggregate to Bayern.
Better than we managed. :20hospitals:

Bloody hell I mean that's pretty damning. There's probably 10 to 15 major catastrophic disaster that should have called for Wenger getting the boot and the 10-1 was one of them.

Please!10-2

Gaz from Oz · **#303758**

dec wrote:

Bernard wrote:

I'd say it does require an explanation. I see Mertesacker as Arsenal through and through, even if he wasn't at Adams and Keown's level as a player. Retiring from playing doesn't change that.

I see him as an Arsenal man. He followed the team as a kid. Didn't he have an aunt living in London and used to come here in the summer and was an Arsenal fan as a result? Also, that FA Cup final against Chelsea was something special and will live long in the memory.

He comes across as an intelligent guy and because he was far from a natural athlete, he had to use his brains to defend. Hopefully he will have the ability to pass that onto younger players.

Whether he is rated as an Arsenal man the point IMO. He wasn't a great defender, never marshalled a proper defence, was silent as a captain, never stood up to Wenger and had some real flaws. Yes I loved the FA cup against Chelsea and what he achieved. But there were too many nights against teams like Man U, Man City, Bayern and Barca to not inject some reality into the discussion.

Personally would not have him as a defensive coach let alone even talk of him as a future manager. He would have to win a few trophies at other clubs before the word manager and him could be mentioned in the same sentence.

TOP GUN · **#303759**

Pete on the beach wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

Bloody hell I mean that's pretty damning. There's probably 10 to 15 major catastrophic disaster that should have called for Wenger getting the boot and the 10-1 was one of them.

Please!10-2

Sorry pete forgot that second goal had them rocking for a moment :laughing7:

Bernard1 · **#303760**

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Whether he is rated as an Arsenal man the point IMO. He wasn't a great defender, never marshalled a proper defence, was silent as a captain, never stood up to Wenger and had some real flaws. Yes I loved the FA cup against Chelsea and what he achieved. But there were too many nights against teams like Man U, Man City, Bayern and Barca to not inject some reality into the discussion.

Personally would not have him as a defensive coach let alone even talk of him as a future manager. He would have to win a few trophies at other clubs before the word manager and him could be mentioned in the same sentence.

I can understand the bit about wanting him to have a bit of success at other clubs before getting the manager's job. But I thought lomekian said he doesn't want it anyway.

But I think you underestimate him as a player and as a man. However, whatever he's like as a player is largely irrelevant if he does ever become a manager. Ferguson is arguably the best manager in the history of the game and had an ordinary career as a player. Mourinho has had huge success as a manager yet was little more than a pub team player. The best players do not always become good managers.

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