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Post #309601  Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:57 pm 
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Just when you think we have seen our worse, we slump even further down. Wenger is sinking this club in double quick time.

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It’s not clear that it’s a double kick. It’s not clear that it should have been a penalty. We just seem to be in a rut of the benefit of the doubt always going against us.

I agree it is not clear it was a double kick. Forest don't even have a permanent manager FFS.

The penalty is not an excuse. They were 2 goals ahead of us. Nothing to say Ospina would have saved the retake if it was a double kick. There are no excuses for playing like this. But the manager started making them before we even left London.

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Double hit! Ha the goal shouldn't stand. No pen, and shouldn't have counted!

We've been *%^@, but tough to take for the kids.

They would just let him take it again and he would have likely got that too.

I think Opsina 's been getting lessons on how to save pens from Čech !

Not true. If he kicked it twice then it should be a free kick to us.

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Post #309604  Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2018 5:58 pm 
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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It’s not clear that it’s a double kick. It’s not clear that it should have been a penalty. We just seem to be in a rut of the benefit of the doubt always going against us.

I agree it is not clear it was a double kick. Forest don't even have a permanent manager FFS.

The penalty is not an excuse. They were 2 goals ahead of us. Nothing to say Ospina would have saved the retake if it was a double kick. There are no excuses for playing like this. But the manager started making them before we even left London.

What retake? Agree about the rest though.

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Double hit! Ha the goal shouldn't stand. No pen, and shouldn't have counted!

We've been *%^@, but tough to take for the kids.

They would just let him take it again and he would have likely got that too.

I think Opsina 's been getting lessons on how to save pens from Čech !


Didn't know that. That means that when Pires & Henry did that pen cock up, the ref then gave the opposition a free-kick for a double touch (which wasn't actually one anyway).

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long time gooner wrote:
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They would just let him take it again and he would have likely got that too.

I think Opsina 's been getting lessons on how to save pens from Čech !

Not true. If he kicked it twice then it should be a free kick to us.


We still would have needed to score another goal in only 9 minutes and deserved to lose as we were shocking :1laughter:


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By building a succession plan the club have been removing the need to keep him. Gazidis wants him gone. The only question is will he last the two years or go this summer?

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Not true. If he kicked it twice then it should be a free kick to us.


We still would have needed to score another goal in only 9 minutes and deserved to lose as we were shocking :1laughter:


Oh yes. My feelings too.

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Watch how the controversy over the 4th penalty is used to obscure the fact that we were 3-2 down (after a fortunate second goal) with under ten minutes remaining because Wenger thinks defending isn't the fun part of the game.


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As for declining standards:
Nottingham Forest are the first team from a lower division to score 4+ goals against Arsenal in an #FACup tie

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By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.


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long time gooner wrote:
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I agree it is not clear it was a double kick. Forest don't even have a permanent manager FFS.

The penalty is not an excuse. They were 2 goals ahead of us. Nothing to say Ospina would have saved the retake if it was a double kick. There are no excuses for playing like this. But the manager started making them before we even left London.

What retake? Agree about the rest though.

Yes you are correct it would be our free. If people expect the VAR to solve these problems they will be very disappointed.

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We have Chelsea in a 2 legged league cup tie now. Wengers rubbish at those and we will surely lose. There will be serious pressure on him if that happens.


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By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.

And no manager :20hospitals:

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lomekian wrote:
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By building a succession plan the club have been removing the need to keep him. Gazidis wants him gone. The only question is will he last the two years or go this summer?


Tomorrow I hope

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Back to bed. 4am here. My team did me proud.

The only questions I have is when do Walcott and Wenger leave. They can share a cab.

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Back to bed. 4am here. My team did me proud.

The only questions I have is when do Walcott and Wenger leave. They can share a cab.


I’ve already offered Walcott a lift; I can easily squeeze another one in

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Just feck off Theo

Southampton are interested. Here’s one transfer to not play hardball with. £10-15m. Done


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Double hit! Ha the goal shouldn't stand. No pen, and shouldn't have counted!

We've been *%^@, but tough to take for the kids.


What kids? Ospina Mert, El Neny, Walcott, Welbeck, Debuchy are all experienced internationals. We were not good enough because there was no drive or desire as their has not been in many games this season. That is 100% the managers fault.

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socrates wrote:
By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.


THe problem is Welbeck, Walcott and Mertesacker are supposed to be the big boys.

Our first 11 is pretty good. Our squad is weak. Whoever replaces the manager has a lot of work to do. WE are finally approaching the point where he will be leaving the club in a worse state comparatively than when he came onboard.

Very few arguments can be made in his favour

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Just feck off Theo

Southampton are interested. Here’s one transfer to not play hardball with. £10-15m. Done


Give him away. He won’t go though will he. Who else would be stupid enough to offer him £7.3 million a year so he can go and get a few more tatts and a stupid beard and haircut?

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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What retake? Agree about the rest though.

Yes you are correct it would be our free. If people expect the VAR to solve these problems they will be very disappointed.

VAR would have certainly resolved that one in our favour.

Wenger can cling to that. Please can a reporter ask him some serious questions about the defence and what he does on the training pitch....oh what’s the point. Wenger thinks he can get by with a £2m bargain bucket CB from Bolton whilst our rivals actually look to improve their team by doing something radical like buying a player better than anyone they currently have!


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john1 wrote:
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Southampton are interested. Here’s one transfer to not play hardball with. £10-15m. Done


Give him away. He won’t go though will he. Who else would be stupid enough to offer him £7.3 million a year so he can go and get a few more tatts and a stupid beard and haircut?


Walcott has made 400 appearances for Arsenal and is still not a starter.


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Double hit! Ha the goal shouldn't stand. No pen, and shouldn't have counted!

We've been *%^@, but tough to take for the kids.


What kids? Ospina Mert, El Neny, Walcott, Welbeck, Debuchy are all experienced internationals. We were not good enough because there was no drive or desire as their has not been in many games this season. That is 100% the managers fault.

I don't care how they feel..I DO care about the kids that played...

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lomekian wrote:
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By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.


THe problem is Welbeck, Walcott and Mertesacker are supposed to be the big boys.

Our first 11 is pretty good. Our squad is weak. Whoever replaces the manager has a lot of work to do. WE are finally approaching the point where he will be leaving the club in a worse state comparatively than when he came onboard.

Very few arguments can be made in his favour

When Sanchez and Özil go the comparison with what wenger took over and what he’ll leave us with is vast.
The back 5. Bergkamp, Wright, Merson. Ok the midfield wasn’t up to much but it was still better than coq and elneny


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lomekian wrote:
socrates wrote:
By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.


THe problem is Welbeck, Walcott and Mertesacker are supposed to be the big boys.

Our first 11 is pretty good. Our squad is weak. Whoever replaces the manager has a lot of work to do. WE are finally approaching the point where he will be leaving the club in a worse state comparatively than when he came onboard.

Very few arguments can be made in his favour

Is our first 11 that good? They still leak goals like a sieve and have no defensive clue and are awful without the ball. The front 3 are good but 2 of them are off.

This squad and first 11 will need £300m (conservative estimate) to bring it back to something not resembling an embarrassment


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What retake? Agree about the rest though.


I thought he got to do a retake as the first one was a goal ?


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Reminder:

Wenger thinks all those players are better than Lucas Perez


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What retake? Agree about the rest though.


I thought he got to do a retake as the first one was a goal ?

Nope. It becomes a free kick to us the moment that he plays it a second time.

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Rich wrote:
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Yes you are correct it would be our free. If people expect the VAR to solve these problems they will be very disappointed.

VAR would have certainly resolved that one in our favour.

Wenger can cling to that. Please can a reporter ask him some serious questions about the defence and what he does on the training pitch....oh what’s the point. Wenger thinks he can get by with a £2m bargain bucket CB from Bolton whilst our rivals actually look to improve their team by doing something radical like buying a player better than anyone they currently have!


Nothing wrong with buying players Like Holding as young back-ups. Its retaining has beens, never were's and never replacing the perennially injured that has done for us. The fact is, our second string is worse than half the reserve teams in the division.

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TOP GUN wrote:
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Wenger thinks all those players are better than Lucas Perez


Yes. That is screwed up

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No genuine Arsenal supporter should even mention the double hit or be screaming about the ref ... okay so it was wrong but he slipped it wasn't intentional ...smacks of sour grapes

We were in short totally outplayed ......not by a superior team ... but a better coached team .

Their manager was shouting instructions throughout ; Bould never even got off his fat arse .

It's in our DNA to f*** around , even down to ten men and 4 - 2 down we did the same


Our forward passing is WOEFUL . Mertesacker pass to gift them their 4th unbelievable , Holding worst game of his career totally rattled by the youngest kid on the pitch

Could we straight swap Walcott plus 20 million for Brereton .
Well done Forest .


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Decent interview from Wenger at last.


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