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Post #425161  Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:17 pm 
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I'd take Zaha and so would Rich. Our West Ham supporting Greek colleague would take Theo. What does the rest of the forum think?


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Post #425162  Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:51 pm 
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What's daft about realising before everybody else that Sanchez was not good for the team and for calling Ox a loss before others started? Was it saying that a goal shy Welbeck was no use to us or that I thought Zaha Walcott were as bad as each other?

Do you seriously not think we look a better team when Welbeck is in the lineup?


Yes I think he's a great player but not what we need in a front 2. He plays as a winger and that's not what we need, imo we need Welbeck to be a goalscorer.


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I'd take Zaha and so would Rich. Our West Ham supporting Greek colleague would take Theo. What does the rest of the forum think?


I don't think I said I would keep Walcott I believe I said they were too similar but one had a better end product the the other.

When Sanchez goes we have only one out and out goalscorer. I believe we've all been saying for a long time that that was what we needed.


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Post #425164  Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:04 pm 

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When Sanchez goes we have no out and out goalscorer. I believe we've all been saying that for years.

Isn't that what Lacazette is supposed to be?


  
 
 
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I'd take Zaha and so would Rich. Our West Ham supporting Greek colleague would take Theo. What does the rest of the forum think?


If ever you needed to demonstrate somebody was on a wind up :laughing7:

Stevie Wonder just called by the way and he takes Zaha as well


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When Sanchez goes we have no out and out goalscorer. I believe we've all been saying that for years.

Isn't that what Lacazette is supposed to be?


I rephrased that quote but are you happy having just Lacazette, and or Giroud as our only back up?


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Post #425167  Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:29 pm 

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I rephrased that quote but are you happy having just Lacazette, and or Giroud as our only back up?

If you don't consider him worthy of a mention, I think you seriously underestimate Welbeck.


  
 
 
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If you don't consider him worthy of a mention, I think you seriously underestimate Welbeck.


Well Iwobi just scored 2 goals to give Nigeria a win. Giroud scored for France, Eddie for the U19s. I can't recall Welbeck's last goal or when he last had a good run. Of course I hope he makes it but can the Arsenal wait for him to come good?

We need another goalscorer when Sanchez goes, maybe sooner as he's not exactly banging them in. Can we afford to wait?


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The irony ..... most find international week a pain in the arse not having club football yet when that same club football is played...for us it's usually cue for gnashing of teeth and hair being torn out in clumps .

I think the FA should get some balls and play matches at this time it benefits the minnows ; who are at a disadvantage for the rest of the season against mega $$$$$$$$$$

On the Bubblechris affair .....[ of which I have little interest ] though it does spice things up

An argument between Bubblechris and Top Gun who obviously dont like each other ; with the latter busily trying to organise a tag team to gain the upperhand .

Greeks and West Ham are thrown in to adversely typecast the former .


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Post #425170  Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:41 pm 

bubblechris, being a striker isn't only about how many goals they score. Welbeck has a very strong all round game outside of his goal scoring and that's why we look a better team when he's playing, which I thought you accept yourself. He gives us physical presence, pace and power in attack, as well as a terrific work rate. In my view, considering our squad as it stands, he gets in Arsenal's strongest side.


  
 
 
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You're right chaps I am not a Hammers fan. I did go to West Ham once. Vieira was sent off for spitting i think. He was getting the shite kicked out of him and reacted. Swore I'd never go again it took ages to drive away from the ground.

What's daft about realising before everybody else that Sanchez was not good for the team and for calling Ox a loss before others started? Was it saying that a goal shy Welbeck was no use to us or that I thought Zaha Walcott were as bad as each other?

Can't think of anything else you might consider daft and wonder if it's not me that's the daft one.

TG has just proved what a child he is by making such a pathetic assumption or was it just to get back at me for saying he wasn't a gooner some time back?

Indeed. TG protesteth too much, you think? Top Gun is an anogram for got pun. I think that's may be significant although for the moment I can think of what it might imply ...

Nevertheless, we can't be too vigilant. The forum may be crawling with third columnists who make thousands of posts in order to get deep cover and so they can ... I'll get back to you on that one too.

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I'd take Zaha and so would Rich. Our West Ham supporting Greek colleague would take Theo. What does the rest of the forum think?


If ever you needed to demonstrate somebody was on a wind up :laughing7:

Stevie Wonder just called by the way and he takes Zaha as well

Perhaps you missheard and he said "I just called ... to say .. I love you"?

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Bernard wrote:
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When Sanchez goes we have no out and out goalscorer. I believe we've all been saying that for years.

Isn't that what Lacazette is supposed to be?

He scored twice tonight against the Germans....


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Isn't that what Lacazette is supposed to be?

He scored twice tonight against the Germans....

Well he should be our goalscorer but Wenger has decided he is not good enough to have a starting place in big games. So we should be asking Wenger this question.

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I'd take Zaha and so would Rich. Our West Ham supporting Greek colleague would take Theo. What does the rest of the forum think?


Zaha over Theo

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He scored twice tonight against the Germans....


Iwobi scored two as well. Wonder if he can add scoring consistently to his game. We need our front four to be able to give us 50 league goals a season.


I think Iwobi will eventually come good. Perhaps in the latter half of this season. He needs more exposure to success and failure. The experience will build him.

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He scored twice tonight against the Germans....

Well he should be our goalscorer but Wenger has decided he is not good enough to have a starting place in big games. So we should be asking Wenger this question.


I think in Arsene's arse backwards way of thinking he likes to keep a bit in reserve , hope to keep the scoreline blank and bring on his aces when the opposition are tiring .

If I was Lacazette I'd be saying to Wenger ....." I had better start v Spurs , Man U and Chelsea otherwise I'm heading back to Francais Land"


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Well he should be our goalscorer but Wenger has decided he is not good enough to have a starting place in big games. So we should be asking Wenger this question.


I think in Arsene's arse backwards way of thinking he likes to keep a bit in reserve , hope to keep the scoreline blank and bring on his aces when the opposition are tiring .

If I was Lacazette I'd be saying to Wenger ....." I had better start v Spurs , Man U and Chelsea otherwise I'm heading back to Francais Land"

WC year so Lacazette needs to play.

On the WC - Aust game about 20 minutes away and your lot play in Peru tomorrow morning. Lets hope both of us are there.

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Bergkamp would never have played for us if he was an Aussie. The last mach about to start. If you looked at Sydney as our home then the team has travelled 212,000klms to get to this point.

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Not being racist but I assumed bubblechris was of Greek descent....the old rhyming slang...bubble and squeak etc...didn't connect it to the Hammers at all


How is Philly these days? I will be visiting family in Willow Grove (Montgomery county) some point in 2018. Also have some business interests I am looking into.

I was shocked to hear the Brewertown/Fishtown area is like South Street these days. That area was a dump years ago.

PS: Thinking someone is Greek isn't racist.

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bubblechris, being a striker isn't only about how many goals they score. Welbeck has a very strong all round game outside of his goal scoring and that's why we look a better team when he's playing, which I thought you accept yourself. He gives us physical presence, pace and power in attack, as well as a terrific work rate. In my view, considering our squad as it stands, he gets in Arsenal's strongest side.


I hope I can have the last say and sincerely hope Welbz proves me wrong.

Last 10 games - 4 goals and 1 assist

I rest my case and hope he comes good........


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bubblechris, being a striker isn't only about how many goals they score. Welbeck has a very strong all round game outside of his goal scoring and that's why we look a better team when he's playing, which I thought you accept yourself. He gives us physical presence, pace and power in attack, as well as a terrific work rate. In my view, considering our squad as it stands, he gets in Arsenal's strongest side.

I hope I can have the last say and sincerely hope Welbz proves me wrong.

Last 10 games - 4 goals and 1 assist

I rest my case and hope he comes good........

Not sure what you mean by resting your case. What's so wrong with 4 goals and 1 assist in the last 10 games? Sounds pretty good to me.


  
 
 
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I just had a look at Arsenal.com at 22.15 (or 10.15 pm). The home game against Tottenham, less than three days away, is still on sale. Am I the only one who finds that frightening? It's the North London derby, one of England's biggest local derbies (along with the Manchester and Merseyside ones) and the club are clearly struggling to sell it out (I suggest it still being on sale within three days of the game shows that). I disagree with Top Gun about bubblechris being a West Ham fan. But I do think he could easily be right about Arsenal being in a weaker position on Wenger's departure (if it is 2019) than it was when he took over in 1996, so 23 years earlier.

Wenger's time at Arsenal has to be seen in two phases, if not more. The Highbury years were sensational, the Emirates years in my view anything but. Clough's time at Nottingham Forest surely has to be seen in the same way. European Cups followed eventually by relegation. The poles may not be as extremely apart for Arsenal under Wenger (I can't see us winning the Champions League or dropping into the Championship before he leaves). But the principle looks exactly the same to me. Like Clough, Wenger is a past it has-been who thinks staying in his job is more important than the future of the club he's previously claimed to love.

EDIT: It's still on sale at 11.38 pm, or 23.08 Wednesday evening, 15 November. Less than two and a half days before the game.


  
 
 
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Bernard wrote:
I just had a look at Arsenal.com at 22.15 (or 10.15 pm). The home game against Tottenham, less than three days away, is still on sale. Am I the only one who finds that frightening? It's the North London derby, one of England's biggest local derbies (along with the Manchester and Merseyside ones) and the club are clearly struggling to sell it out (I suggest it still being on sale within three days of the game shows that). I disagree with Top Gun about bubblechris being a West Ham fan. But I do think he could easily be right about Arsenal being in a weaker position on Wenger's departure (if it is 2019) than it was when he took over in 1996, so 23 years earlier.

Wenger's time at Arsenal has to be seen in two phases, if not more. The Highbury years were sensational, the Emirates years in my view anything but. Clough's time at Nottingham Forest surely has to be seen in the same way. European Cups followed eventually by relegation. The poles may not be as extremely apart for Arsenal under Wenger (I can't see us winning the Champions League or dropping into the Championship before he leaves). But the principle looks exactly the same to me. Like Clough, Wenger is a past it has-been who thinks staying in his job is more important than the future of the club he's previously claimed to love.

EDIT: It's still on sale at 11.38 pm, or 23.08 Wednesday evening, 15 November. Less than two and a half days before the game.


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Bernard wrote:
I just had a look at Arsenal.com at 22.15 (or 10.15 pm). The home game against Tottenham, less than three days away, is still on sale. Am I the only one who finds that frightening? It's the North London derby, one of England's biggest local derbies (along with the Manchester and Merseyside ones) and the club are clearly struggling to sell it out (I suggest it still being on sale within three days of the game shows that). I disagree with Top Gun about bubblechris being a West Ham fan. But I do think he could easily be right about Arsenal being in a weaker position on Wenger's departure (if it is 2019) than it was when he took over in 1996, so 23 years earlier.

Wenger's time at Arsenal has to be seen in two phases, if not more. The Highbury years were sensational, the Emirates years in my view anything but. Clough's time at Nottingham Forest surely has to be seen in the same way. European Cups followed eventually by relegation. The poles may not be as extremely apart for Arsenal under Wenger (I can't see us winning the Champions League or dropping into the Championship before he leaves). But the principle looks exactly the same to me. Like Clough, Wenger is a past it has-been who thinks staying in his job is more important than the future of the club he's previously claimed to love.

EDIT: It's still on sale at 11.38 pm, or 23.08 Wednesday evening, 15 November. Less than two and a half days before the game.


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Congratulations to Australia, onward to the WC Finals :53big-emoticons:

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Congratulations to Australia, onward to the WC Finals :53big-emoticons:

Happy to have someone to watch for a while next year. But like arsenal they put you thru hell to make it happen

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Isn't great getting old ... here I am f**ting around at the Op Shop ... this spunky old girl says "Man you've got a nice butt and gives me a grope "... then apologises "Oh my God what have I done "...well in these days of Maxi PC I could have her sacked / disbarred / dishonourebly discharged ....but being the Cool Hand Luke that I am .... I said Maria knock yourself out , feel free any time ....so gave her bum a little rub to balance the sheet .

To top it off I heard a tune on the radio I liked moved me fractionally forward from Buddy Holly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JiX71Qc_AQ ... only played about thirty times so far .
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Isn't great getting old ... here I am f**ting around at the Op Shop ... this spunky old girl says "Man you've got a nice butt and gives me a grope "... then apologises "Oh my God what have I done "...well in these days of Maxi PC I could have her sacked / disbarred / dishonourebly discharged ....but being the Cool Hand Luke that I am .... I said Maria knock yourself out , feel free any time ....so gave her bum a little rub to balance the sheet .

To top it off I heard a tune on the radio I liked moved me fractionally forward from Buddy Holly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JiX71Qc_AQ ... only played about thirty times so far .
NZ lost to Peru ... I glory in the wins ...the losses who cares .

Are you sure it is an op shop & not a knocking shop.

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Seen a report that Giroud is injured. Not sure he would have been first choice in the derby but I would like him as a sub. Sorry using iPhone and have no idea how to get the link.

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But I do think he could easily be right about Arsenal being in a weaker position on Wenger's departure (if it is 2019) than it was when he took over in 1996, so 23 years earlier.

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Wenger inherited Seaman, Dixon, Bould , Adams, winterburn, Merson, Wright, parlour, (8 good players capable of holding a team at the highest level. (Admittedly some ageing but solid professionals)

He will leave, Lacazette,an ageing Kosielny and Monreal, decent and promising but sporadic right back who wants to leave and not much else that will be of use after his contract expires.

His legacy is dust. He blew it.


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Seen a report that Giroud is injured. Not sure he would have been first choice in the derby but I would like him as a sub. Sorry using iPhone and have no idea how to get the link.

Linkage : https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4926086/olivier-giroud-injury-arsenal-tottenham

Olivier Giroud injury rules Arsenal forward out of North London derby with Tottenham

Striker picked up a thigh strain in France's 2-0 win over Wales and has not recovered in time to face Spurs on Saturday lunchtime


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Seen a report that Giroud is injured. Not sure he would have been first choice in the derby but I would like him as a sub. Sorry using iPhone and have no idea how to get the link.

Linkage : https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4926086/olivier-giroud-injury-arsenal-tottenham

Olivier Giroud injury rules Arsenal forward out of North London derby with Tottenham

Striker picked up a thigh strain in France's 2-0 win over Wales and has not recovered in time to face Spurs on Saturday lunchtime


Kos, Mustafi and Welbeck could all be fit to play........


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The news on Giroud, obviously not good. Just read last 6 matches in NLDs we haven't won, drawn 4 lost 2. I remember when those were the kinds of results they were getting against us. We'd win at home, draw away most seasons.
This is the first time that I can remember where I felt we were underdogs at home in an NLD. I've never bet on a football match so I don't know if I'm reading the odds right but it seems its fairly even.
A win would give me a little solace in a season where its going to be depressing.

PS and please, please football gods, hand City a loss soon.

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The news on Giroud, obviously not good. Just read last 6 matches in NLDs we haven't won, drawn 4 lost 2. I remember when those were the kinds of results they were getting against us. We'd win at home, draw away most seasons.
This is the first time that I can remember where I felt we were underdogs at home in an NLD. I've never bet on a football match so I don't know if I'm reading the odds right but it seems its fairly even.
A win would give me a little solace in a season where its going to be depressing.

PS and please, please football gods, hand City a loss soon.


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Linkage : https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/4926086/olivier-giroud-injury-arsenal-tottenham

Olivier Giroud injury rules Arsenal forward out of North London derby with Tottenham

Striker picked up a thigh strain in France's 2-0 win over Wales and has not recovered in time to face Spurs on Saturday lunchtime


Kos, Mustafi and Welbeck could all be fit to play........

Are u sure Welbeck is fit. Haven’t been able to find any confirmation

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If u think that AW is not damaging the Arsenal brand look no further than this forum where a couple of days out from a derby there is simply no interest at all. Put your hand on your heart & say that you really care what the result is.

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If u think that AW is not damaging the Arsenal brand look no further than this forum where a couple of days out from a derby there is simply no interest at all. Put your hand on your heart & say that you really care what the result is.

I have to agree with this Gaz, although I think it's Kroenke and Wenger, not the latter alone, who are damaging the Arsenal brand. I feel people should remember that Kroenke is the only reason why Wenger is still in his current job and any harm Wenger is doing to the club in that role is a direct consequence of Stan's decision.


  
 
 
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If u think that AW is not damaging the Arsenal brand look no further than this forum where a couple of days out from a derby there is simply no interest at all. Put your hand on your heart & say that you really care what the result is.

I have to agree with this Gaz, although I think it's Kroenke and Wenger, not the latter alone, who are damaging the Arsenal brand. I feel people should remember that Kroenke is the only reason why Wenger is still in his current job and any harm Wenger is doing to the club in that role is a direct consequence of Stan's decision.

That is a good point about the owner. I am struggling to see any light ahead. The players who will leave in the next 2 years will not be adequately replaced in my opinion. That plus the mental weakness of the remaining players is of concern. Only a change at the top gives us a chance for a turn around. I am not sure which arsenal team will turn up this weekend.

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Lacazette is ray of hope. He's very good an unknown quantity to sperz. They won't know his movements. Assuming he starts with Giroud being out presumably.
How do we contain Kane, Alli and company? That's going to be the tough thing. I think we can score couple goals. More than capable despite Tottenham defending well as a team as evidenced by their goal against record. Its an NLD so players will be up for it.

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