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Post #370201  Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:42 pm 
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I can see why Gazidis would say no to work back in America soccer

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... t-arsenal/

There really isn't any domestic position in America that has the same stature as The Arsenal. If a joint America/Mexico bid is accepted (I'm surprised at a joint bid given the acrimonious relationship politically, athletically, somewhat culturally). Its not ongoing.

No one, least among Americans will know who he is but the football world knows who is running The Arsenal. Perhaps he fancies himself as a sort of David Dein eventually?

As the article intimates I think he sees it as a job undone. I think he would love to be the one who is credited with Arsenal's resurgence.

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Post #370202  Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:11 pm 
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The 3 at the back thing has apparently been played at least once by 17 of the 20 premiership teams.

I'm still to be convinced by it for Arsenal or generally, the reason being is that I think the 3 at the back with wing backs is used to cover up the weaknesses of those 5 defensive players - who should be able to play in a back 4. I use a similar principle with the 3 central mids (often a holding, box to box and attacking). Years ago you played 2 CM and they had to do the lot, with 3 central mids you get ready made excuses for attacking players not defending or tracking, similarly for holding players offering nothing but a shield - think back to when Vieira and Petit did it all.

Anyway back to the 3 at the back. CBs who struggle in a 2 get the assurance of another CB in there to help them, and full backs turn in to wing backs to exploit the modern tendency for full backs to be far better going forward than they are at basic defending.

Maybe I'm old fashioned but I like my full-backs to be able to defend 1 v 1 and get up and down the line all day long. Think back to Ashley Cole, wingers in his pocket and flying on the overlap for Henry and Pires - all in a back 4.

For me the best CB's in prem history won't be CB who perform well in a back 3.

(I realise many brilliant italian defenders play in a 3)


Hi Rich.

Being an expert on tactics* your post got me thinking about how no matter how you set up the team you still need to get 11 players to cover the same sized pitch and how sometimes the more things change the more they stay the same.

Take your second paragraph mentioning Vieira and Petit. Hopefully calling it extremely early but I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be the best midfield pairing of my lifetime. But in your description of the midfield three being holding/box to box/attacking they only cover 2 of the 3 - you need a Bergkamp to fill the other spot. Although back then it was called 4-4-2 I really don't see the difference between Özil's role now in the 4-3-3 and Bergkamp's in the 4-4-2. Deeper than what we used to call #10 with a roving centre forward and two inside forwards tasked with the scoring. So just for example then/now from front to back could be Henry/Sanchez Pires/Welbeck Ljungberg/Walcott Bergkamp/Özil then Petit/Xhaka and Vieira/Ramsey. One is called a 4-3-3 and one is called a 4-4-2 but as far as I can see what they're meant to be doing and where they're meant to be on the pitch pretty much match up.

As for the three at the back...well that may not work with the above so like you I'll leave it and blame the Italians.

*I've read Jonathan Wilson's 'Inverting the Pyramid'. That's got to count for something.

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Post #370203  Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:18 pm 
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Anyone got a link for this? Muchas gracias.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2byZj3oz3U

If that one doesn't work for any reason there are a few other versions on youtube.

Thanks Exiled.... Very well put together documentary.

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Post #370204  Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:20 pm 
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Really liked my seat the other day. Turns out I was sitting in the seat next to it for the Wotsit Shield victory over them.


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Post #370205  Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:23 pm 
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Niall wrote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2byZj3oz3U

If that one doesn't work for any reason there are a few other versions on youtube.

Thanks Exiled.... Very well put together documentary.


I agree - they did a great job there.

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btw I've been posting a lot of random pictures of Arsenal stuff I've got on twitter recently. You don't have to use twitter or anything to see them - just use this link and scroll like [redacted due to purdah] https://twitter.com/N5_1BU/media

There's some other pictures and stuff down there but it's all safe for work...unless your boss is George Osbourne anyway. Oops.

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I'll hope for a Man City win. We get more mileage out of Man Utd losing and hopefully Liverpool stuttering to give us a window.

I still think there is a chance for top 4. I still think there is a significance amount we can salvage (FA cup, top 4). Who knows. If neither happens, so be it. We aren't expected to get either.

The downside is Wenger. It emboldens him.

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Post #370208  Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 7:25 am 

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Take your second paragraph mentioning Vieira and Petit. Hopefully calling it extremely early but I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be the best midfield pairing of my lifetime. But in your description of the midfield three being holding/box to box/attacking they only cover 2 of the 3 - you need a Bergkamp to fill the other spot. Although back then it was called 4-4-2 I really don't see the difference between Özil's role now in the 4-3-3 and Bergkamp's in the 4-4-2.

I'd agree with what you say about Vieira and Petit Exiled, but I think Bergkamp consistently used to play in a more advanced position than Özil. That's not to say we never saw Bergkamp towards the back or Özil up front. We did and do. But for the majority of their time on the pitch, I feel Bergkamp was more advanced than Özil, meaning Özil was deeper than Bergkamp. Those heat maps that they used to have on MOTD, which gladly they've now stopped. But if they had them for both players, I'd be astonished if they didn't show what I just suggested.


  
 
 
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Still unconvinced about the back 3 like others, our problems stem from focus, commitment and individual battles being lost not numbers. (See Agueros goal ludicrous defending)

I see the tactic being adopted purely off the back of Gabriel's shocking display againest palace when it showed how exposed we were. I fail to be convinced by one hardly impressive game againest boro and one decent game againest city. We're going to come unstuck... probably againest Spurs


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I see a story online about tax frauds and raids at Newcastle and maybe Westham. If this is true there could be dramatic action that follows.

If I was Huddersfield supporter I would be hoping there was a lot of truth to this and would want to finish 3rd. Also Swansea or whoever finishes 3rd bottom may not be gone.

The punishment given to Rangers is well known and I would see no reason why both teams should not be taken back to conference league or at least the 3rd division if the same applies to these clubs.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor ... s-12945468

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Bernard wrote:
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Take your second paragraph mentioning Vieira and Petit. Hopefully calling it extremely early but I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be the best midfield pairing of my lifetime. But in your description of the midfield three being holding/box to box/attacking they only cover 2 of the 3 - you need a Bergkamp to fill the other spot. Although back then it was called 4-4-2 I really don't see the difference between Özil's role now in the 4-3-3 and Bergkamp's in the 4-4-2.

I'd agree with what you say about Vieira and Petit Exiled, but I think Bergkamp consistently used to play in a more advanced position than Özil. That's not to say we never saw Bergkamp towards the back or Özil up front. We did and do. But for the majority of their time on the pitch, I feel Bergkamp was more advanced than Özil, meaning Özil was deeper than Bergkamp. Those heat maps that they used to have on MOTD, which gladly they've now stopped. But if they had them for both players, I'd be astonished if they didn't show what I just suggested.


I'm talking about the Bergkamp in the line up mentioned not the first Wenger team. He played extremely deep compared to where a classic #10 would be expected to be and I can't see how describing him in his later years as an attacking midfielder doesn't describe his role better than striker.

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I see a story online about tax frauds and raids at Newcastle and maybe Westham. If this is true there could be dramatic action that follows.

If I was Huddersfield supporter I would be hoping there was a lot of truth to this and would want to finish 3rd. Also Swansea or whoever finishes 3rd bottom may not be gone.

The punishment given to Rangers is well known and I would see no reason why both teams should not be taken back to conference league or at least the 3rd division if the same applies to these clubs.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor ... s-12945468


Not sure the Rangers analogy applies here as they went out of business and a completely new club was formed but agree with your general point about possible relegation.

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I see a story online about tax frauds and raids at Newcastle and maybe Westham. If this is true there could be dramatic action that follows.

If I was Huddersfield supporter I would be hoping there was a lot of truth to this and would want to finish 3rd. Also Swansea or whoever finishes 3rd bottom may not be gone.

The punishment given to Rangers is well known and I would see no reason why both teams should not be taken back to conference league or at least the 3rd division if the same applies to these clubs.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/nor ... s-12945468


Not sure the Rangers analogy applies here as they went out of business and a completely new club was formed but agree with your general point about possible relegation.

I will watch with interest. You may recall the Westham issue years ago with Aguero(I think) and they were lucky to avoid relegation. Maybe payback time.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Not sure the Rangers analogy applies here as they went out of business and a completely new club was formed but agree with your general point about possible relegation.

I will watch with interest. You may recall the Westham issue years ago with Aguero(I think) and they were lucky to avoid relegation. Maybe payback time.


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Post #370215  Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2017 12:00 pm 

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I'd agree with what you say about Vieira and Petit Exiled, but I think Bergkamp consistently used to play in a more advanced position than Özil. That's not to say we never saw Bergkamp towards the back or Özil up front. We did and do. But for the majority of their time on the pitch, I feel Bergkamp was more advanced than Özil, meaning Özil was deeper than Bergkamp. Those heat maps that they used to have on MOTD, which gladly they've now stopped. But if they had them for both players, I'd be astonished if they didn't show what I just suggested.

I'm talking about the Bergkamp in the line up mentioned not the first Wenger team. He played extremely deep compared to where a classic #10 would be expected to be and I can't see how describing him in his later years as an attacking midfielder doesn't describe his role better than striker.

Not for me. Bergkamp was always a more classic number 10 forward than an attacking midfielder, even in his later years. Özil is a creative midfielder.


  
 
 
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Bernard wrote:
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I'm talking about the Bergkamp in the line up mentioned not the first Wenger team. He played extremely deep compared to where a classic #10 would be expected to be and I can't see how describing him in his later years as an attacking midfielder doesn't describe his role better than striker.

Not for me. Bergkamp was always a more classic number 10 forward than an attacking midfielder, even in his later years. Özil is a creative midfielder.


If that were true then he can't have been very good at it for the last 5/6 years he was at Arsenal. I think we can probably agree that if the formation is set up with a classic #10 rather than an attacking midfielder you'd expect more goals from the former than later. In Bergkamp's first four seasons his League goals (from wiki...) were 11/12/16/12 but after that it was 6/3/9/4/4/8 (I'm ignoring his last season for various reasons). Now I realise other factors come into it but surely those bald figures would at the very least suggest that he was playing a deeper role, that of a creative midfielder. Either that or his shooting got a bit sh*t which I don't buy.

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Not for me. Bergkamp was always a more classic number 10 forward than an attacking midfielder, even in his later years. Özil is a creative midfielder.

If that were true then he can't have been very good at it for the last 5/6 years he was at Arsenal. I think we can probably agree that if the formation is set up with a classic #10 rather than an attacking midfielder you'd expect more goals from the former than later. In Bergkamp's first four seasons his League goals (from wiki...) were 11/12/16/12 but after that it was 6/3/9/4/4/8 (I'm ignoring his last season for various reasons). Now I realise other factors come into it but surely those bald figures would at the very least suggest that he was playing a deeper role, that of a creative midfielder. Either that or his shooting got a bit sh*t which I don't buy.

I suspect it was more that he was getting old or slowing down that made him less inclined to score in his very later years. Also, the point at which his goal scoring slowed was when Henry joined. From around that point, I think Bergkamp became the less dominant forward at the club after playing with Anelka and earlier Wright. But I think he was still a forward. Sorry, but just watching the team play over that period would not tempt me to call him an attacking midfielder.


  
 
 
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Until, of course, the 2005 cup final when Wenger opted to play him as a lone striker of course.

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The Humiliation Cup final I should have added for Hoy's benefit when, pace Wenger, I had to throw up on the way home I was so mortified.

Never forgiven Wenger for playing Bergkamp in that role that day.

By the way, I agree with you, Bernard, he was a deep-lying forward right up until he got too knackered but that was pretty late in his career.


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Anything new on the OX?

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I'll answer it myself, he's on the bench.

33Cech
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Bellerin plays. Will it be a three or four at the back?


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That midfield pivot is a problem


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Good to see us shooting from outside the box. We must do more of these

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How to ruin a game of football - have Tony Gale on commentary. The guy is so negative about every aspect of Arsenal


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Such an infuriating reluctance to bloody shoot!

1 shot so far, but we've turned down at least double figure chances to have a pop


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Sanchez hits the bar on the stroke of half time. He's been awful so far


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So much possession but so little end product. Leicester are the masters at sitting deep and soaking up pressure.

We need a couple of players who are able to dribble past an opponent and open things up a bit.


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So much possession but so little end product. Leicester are the masters at sitting deep and soaking up pressure.

We need a couple of players who are able to dribble past an opponent and open things up a bit.


Alexis and Özil are the likliest to do that. But, Alexis has been poor tonight. Özil prefers to hold, look and pass. Welbeck to come on at the 70th to do that.

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So much possession but so little end product. Leicester are the masters at sitting deep and soaking up pressure.

We need a couple of players who are able to dribble past an opponent and open things up a bit.

To often in the final third we try the impossible pass, one touch eye of the needle stuff. Sometimes I just wish we'd play the percentages. Also as you say, a player who will run and commit a defender, Walcott has been a passenger. I'd much rather the unpredictability of welbeck and ox - two almost old school style of footballers, a forward who makes runs, shoots, follows shots in, gets in the 6 yard box.....and a winger who dribbles, stays wide and puts in crosses


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How often do our corners get cleared to the edge of the box and there is no one there to fire in a shot or pick up the second ball, the same is true when we decide to defend corners with 11 men in our own 6 yard box.

The semi final win was nice but it is two more years of utterly frustrating performances like this is Wenger signs


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Yes, bring him on, Welbeck!

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Welbeck on for Gibbs, back to a back 4


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He trouble with bellerin and Monreal as wing backs is as much as they are ok going forward they aren't a patch on a top level winger which I'm afraid your wing back needs to be. Add in coquelin and you have 6 players with very little in the way of genuine creativity in the side


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He trouble with bellerin and Monreal as wing backs is as much as they are ok going forward they aren't a patch on a top level winger which I'm afraid your wing back needs to be. Add in coquelin and you have 6 players with very little in the way of genuine creativity in the side


the biggest problem is that we don't get players in the box en masse. The wingbacks have no one to aim crosses at.


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How do the players still believe in wengers methods?

Even they must see that we aren't threatening and haven't created a single good chance today despite having 75% of the ball.

It is far too common theme at home, Leicester have had the games best chances


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Frustrating to see players like Walcott and Ramsey preferring to pass back, when already inside the opponent's penalty box. Kills whatever attacking initiative that's created.

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Their defender looks at Giroud, jumps and studs Giroud in the back. Giroud was standing. Only a yellow


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