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Post #480161  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:28 pm 
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His form's dipped recently but I still like him and wouldn't write him off just yet.

If you had your way we'd be playing 0-0-0 formation because they've all been sacked off at some time or another for being utterly useless and beyond redemption. OK maybe 0-0-1 if you take Sanchez into account...


Not true

Looking long term we have 4 players I consider to be at the level of quality to compete for the title.

Özil, Sanchez, Lacazette, wilshere

In addition to this you have Ramsey, mustafi and Kolasinic who aren’t quite that level of technical ability but could make a contribution if used sparingly in a squad that could be successful.

Outside of this I don’t see the remaining players as having much of a future with us or being technically Good enough to compete at the highest level.

We have the biggest drought of talent in the squad for some time and the next manager will rapidly need to bring in new firepower the moment he’s onboard if he wishes to prolong his arsenal tenure after the damage Wenger has caused


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Post #480162  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:32 pm 
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To give Iwobi the benefit of the doubt I’d suggest both he and Holding should be on loan somewhere and not anywhere near the arsenal first team. Wenger isn’t helping our younger players


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Post #480163  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:34 pm 
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It's a bit weird that you mention Kolasinac but leave out Monreal. They play the same position, and Monreal is much, much better.


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Post #480164  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:36 pm 
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It's a bit weird that you mention Kolasinac but leave out Monreal. They play the same position, and Monreal is much, much better.


Said thinking long term. Monreal has been decent ish but is well past his best


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Post #480165  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:39 pm 
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Said thinking long term. Monreal has been decent ish but is well past his best

He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender.


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In addition to this you have Ramsey... could make a contribution if used sparingly


LOL


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Post #480167  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:55 pm 
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Perhaps this is the type of thing, more than the mediocrity we're routinely seeing on the pitch, that will make Kroenke think about whether it's time to bring in a new manager? If Darren is right though, I won't be happy with Wenger joining the board. He's such a control freak I just don't see him being able to stop himself from interfering. I reckon he'd want to choose the new manager who will be someone willing to listen to Wenger's advice, which is a way of saying do as he's told.
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Post #480168  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:58 pm 
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Daz wrote:
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In addition to this you have Ramsey... could make a contribution if used sparingly


LOL

He's not the Jedi you think he is Daz.


How often does he make you go "wow" . Never but he's solid enough to turn in a few reasonable games here and there. Gets nowhere near the first teams of the top 4 of the premiership clubs. Keeper but could do better


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Post #480169  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:00 pm 
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Hazuki wrote:
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Said thinking long term. Monreal has been decent ish but is well past his best

He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender.


He's been a decent defender for us but I prescribe to Alan Davies Tuesday club comments these days (which I disagreed with at first ) that he gets brownie points for effort to make up for the fact he's not all that. Regularly gets destroyed by Zaha, Pedro and other wingers. 6/10


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Post #480170  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:06 pm 
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Zaha? Pedro?? When did that happen?


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Post #480171  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:10 pm 
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Zaha? Pedro?? When did that happen?

Do you even watch us or just question everything

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Listening to Sibelius when Manchester United are on t' telly?

PENALTY.

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Post #480173  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:17 pm 
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but I prescribe to Alan Davies Tuesday club


Watch out physicists we have a chemist on board as well...


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Post #480174  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:24 pm 
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Do you even watch us or just question everything

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... rsenal-win

So 'regularly gets destroyed' really means that one game where Zaha was really good?

And yes, I do watch most of our games. That's how I know that what Monreal does regularly is simply being one of the best full backs in the league and probably our best defender.


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Post #480175  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:38 pm 
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Hazuki wrote:
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Do you even watch us or just question everything

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... rsenal-win

So 'regularly gets destroyed' really means that one game where Zaha was really good?

And yes, I do watch most of our games. That's how I know that what Monreal does regularly is simply being one of the best full backs in the league and probably our best defender.

Not just one game. He's a player not without issue.

Any clearly you don't watch as you couldn't even remember that shocking focal capitulation in most recent memory


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You can’t even remember what you thought of Ramsey as a player yesterday, so I wouldn’t go there. Great point otherwise, Monreal regularly gets destroyed in this one game from last season. Not really sure what I was expecting.


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I would've gone with the United game recently where he had a really poor performance. Then again that would be criticism based in reality, not bad pundit narratives.


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Post #480178  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:44 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
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LOL

He's not the Jedi you think he is Daz.


How often does he make you go "wow" . Never but he's solid enough to turn in a few reasonable games here and there. Gets nowhere near the first teams of the top 4 of the premiership clubs. Keeper but could do better



Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League.

(Ramsey, that is.)

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Post #480179  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:02 pm 
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Hazuki wrote:
I like Iwobi as well. He has stagnated somewhat, but is still 21 and there is talent there. This current Arsenal side is probably a pretty difficult environment for young players. Very much negativity surrounding the entire club, a team that plays without proper structure, and a lot of our attacking play is based on giving the ball to one of Özil or Sanchez and hoping they will come up with a solution.

Losing Sanchez will not make us a better team, but I’m hoping it will have a similar effect to when we sold Henry in 2007 and a couple of players (most notably Fabregas and Adebayor) stepped up to take on more responsibility.


I like the 07/08 team a lot. Pity RvP and Rosicky could not play more games that season (got injured as always).

Even without Sanchez and Özil, we still have a decent squad. Only problem is Wenger has been unable to motivate and organise the team.


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Post #480180  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:13 pm 
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Hazuki wrote:
You can’t even remember what you thought of Ramsey as a player yesterday, so I wouldn’t go there. Great point otherwise, Monreal regularly gets destroyed in this one game from last season. Not really sure what I was expecting.


Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more. Actually I'd say their opinion is invalid anyway if they can't remember that farce

On Ramsey like I said I think he can do a job but think he's far from one of the best players in the league which is absolute nonsense.



* it's not he's far some flawless there's plenty more


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Post #480181  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:15 pm 
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He's not the Jedi you think he is Daz.


How often does he make you go "wow" . Never but he's solid enough to turn in a few reasonable games here and there. Gets nowhere near the first teams of the top 4 of the premiership clubs. Keeper but could do better



Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League.

(Ramsey, that is.)


I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt


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Post #480182  Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:29 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
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Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League.

(Ramsey, that is.)


I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt


Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway.

As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup.

See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections.

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Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more.

Of course you do.

Let's not pretend you also mentioned Pedro and the words 'regularly destroyed'. Or that you've completely changed your opinion on Ramsey while pretending you haven't.


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john1 wrote:
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I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt


Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway.

As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup.

See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections.


Don't see why Ramsey can't give us a dozen goals in a season playing in more central and attacking position.


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Hazuki wrote:
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Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more.

Of course you do.

Let's not pretend you also mentioned Pedro and the words 'regularly destroyed'. Or that you've completely changed your opinion on Ramsey while pretending you haven't.

errr him and Čech at goodison park this season. Numerous examples anyway I can't be arsed to explain them all to a dimwit so ...


he's brilliant !! Wot a player Ramsey is too ! They are both tearing up the league ! Your absolutey right on this !!! It just weird why we're 6th nevermind


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john1 wrote:
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I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt


Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway.

As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup.

See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections.


Easy to look good for Wales

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Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway.

As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup.

See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections.


Don't see why Ramsey can't give us a dozen goals in a season playing in more central and attacking position.


Your dropping him for Özil are you?

He's scored 32 goals in his career with us and he's now 27 years old. Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way


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Yes, how can we be in 6th place with a really good left back. That's a headscratcher.


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Daz wrote:
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ZZZZ


Truth might be boring but he's right.
"Truth." "Right." About something that hasn't happened yet? Methinks not.

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Hazuki wrote:
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Said thinking long term. Monreal has been decent ish but is well past his best

He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender.

Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender.


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old man of hoy wrote:
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Truth might be boring but he's right.
"Truth." "Right." About something that hasn't happened yet? Methinks not.


I'm watching you, you big Southern jessie.

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Daz wrote:
Sticking with The Kinks - and why not - this is actually up there with Waterloo Sunset for me even though it's much later.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M1l1Vjl6E4[/youtube]

And sticking with the metrosexual vibe that's been creeping in to the forum with John1's revelations I don't mind adding Ray Davies to Joachim Loew (prior to the finger-sniffing clips) as men I slightly fancy.
Agreed - a great song. I love being sentimental and that one has my tears every time.

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Your...

Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way


Not like you with your bloody apostrophes, Jesus *%^@*** christ how *%^@*** hard is it they teach it at *%^@*** primary school.

Oops. Cover blown.

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Anyway off to take my whippet to the vet to have her anal glands squeezed.

This is actually true apart from the breed of dog; she is a soft southern cockerpoo.

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He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender.

Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender.


I think that's a decent summary he's a 6/10 type. He's a half decent lad prone to a roasting every once in a while. Better than clichy and Gibbs so he became a bit of a favourite for locking down the position.

Ashley 9/10
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...He's a player not without issue...
No need to bring his kids into the argument.

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Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender.

I would say Adams was a world class defender, if we are going to get tied down in subjective player classifications.


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Anyway, half-decent is obviously preposterous when talking about Monreal in the last few seasons. He's even managed to consistently look good in our defensive setup.


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"Truth." "Right." About something that hasn't happened yet? Methinks not.


I'm watching you, you big Southern jessie.

Sibelius!

Oi ref! Get a load of the immortal Jascha giving the Violin Concerto some finger.

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Don't see why Ramsey can't give us a dozen goals in a season playing in more central and attacking position.


Your dropping him for Özil are you?

He's scored 32 goals in his career with us and he's now 27 years old. Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way


I don't think Özil is staying.


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