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Post #472161  Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:04 pm 
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Daz wrote:
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I hear you, Daz.


Good point - that too.


And that Aussie (?) thing of making every sentence sound like a question? You know? I was walking down the street? And a man came along? Asked me if I was known as Zico in my youth? So I said, like, yes?

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Good point - that too.


And that Aussie (?) thing of making every sentence sound like a question? You know? I was walking down the street? And a man came along? Asked me if I was known as Zico in my youth? So I said, like, yes?


I was pretty sick last week. Was worried I may have picked up that Aussie flu that was doing the rounds. Knew a sneeze was on the way and wow when it came....."AAAAAAchoo, ya big gallah, AAAAchoo, ya bleedin' drongo, AAAAAAchoo, fair dinkum!".....think I'm all right now but my jokes haven't got any better.

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Milan and Lazio aren't any great shakes.

Are they better than forest ?

Debatable.

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Niall wrote:
http://news.arseblog.com/2018/01/report-arsenal-ready-to-let-go-of-their-coq/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

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According to the Mirror, Arsenal could sell Francis Coquelin before the January transfer window closes.

I thought the line about Coq's only start in the prem being away to Man City......as a centre back was funny. What on earth was wenger doing with his selection that day? No lacazette like Anfield I seem to remember as well.

Also the line Keown said in an earlier article link "you're always the last one to admit/know that you are past it"........Keown meant it for Mertesacker but it is more apt for Wenger as we know Per has called it quits at the end of the season


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A small playlist for Arsene....

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I'm not sure chasing 30 year old Jonny Evans or 29 year ols Mahrez is exactly what we need right now - especially as the prices quoted would be a combined £60m!


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Post #472167  Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:22 pm 
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A small playlist for Arsene....

We need to expand this.

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Post #472168  Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:23 pm 

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Also the line Keown said in an earlier article link "you're always the last one to admit/know that you are past it"........Keown meant it for Mertesacker but it is more apt for Wenger as we know Per has called it quits at the end of the season

Keown is a tosser if he meant Mertesacker when saying that. Per was intending to retire last summer to go out on a high after the cup final. Wenger, someone who knows nothing about going at the right time, wanted him to give it this season before retiring as a player.


  
 
 
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Shame on the FA for giving Wenger a 3 match touchline ban. I was hoping for a 6 month stadium ban.


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Hazuki wrote:
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A small playlist for Arsene....

We need to expand this.

https://open.spotify.com/user/hazuki/pl ... 6BjHLZChKd

Love it!

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Love it!


So many - only got halfway through my playlist and some gems:

Everything's Ruined - FNM
Bad Habit - Foals (Alex Metric remix)
Happy Endings - Pulp
I Know Its Over - Smiths
Over Now - Alice In Chains
Feels Like We Only Go Backwards - Tame Impala
Shut Up and Let Me Go - Ting Tings
Basket Case - Green Day
The End Has No End - Strokes
If You Don't Want Me To Destroy You - S.Furry.A
A Head Full Of Dreams - Coldplay
Ful Stop - Radiohead
Why Go - Pearl Jam
Running To Stand Still - U2
Don't You Want Me - Human League
I Won't Let The Sun Go Down on Me - Nik Kershaw
You're History - Shakespears Sister
(It's Not War) Just The End of Love - Manics
Pedestrian At Best - Courtney Barnett

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Bellerin needs to be transferred immediately. Totally disappeared up his own arse.

Off with his head. Liberation needed


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Yes, how dare Bellerin look like he belongs to his own generation. And what about this instagram nonsense. We didn't have that when I was growing up so therefore it is bad.


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I just watched the game again.

It's so odd for the second penalty kick. Both the comms said "It was a double kick and it should have been retaken".
Then they say it again a minute later about it should have been retaken.

and then a third time - "Two touches, it should have been retaken ..."
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Yes, how dare Bellerin look like he belongs to his own generation. And what about this instagram nonsense. We didn't have that when I was growing up so therefore it is bad.


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Yes, how dare Bellerin look like he belongs to his own generation. And what about this instagram nonsense. We didn't have that when I was growing up so therefore it is bad.


That belongs to no generation my friend. Shalom


What generation is that? - Rupert Bear crossed with a Gnome?.

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I just watched the game again.

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*%^@*** hell !

Why the *%^@ would you do that! :laughing7:


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Gaz from Oz, I couldn't see anything to suggest Welbeck's shot was going wide before being deflected in. His shot looked on target as far as I could see.

I also agree with Daz. VAR shouldn't have seen the penalty retaken. The evidence that he kicked it twice simply wasn't hard enough.

Very true. Because there is no way in the laws of the game that it should have been retaken if it was a double kick.

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Your view is based on an assumption that this is the only way the ball could have loped up like that. You nor the refs are not experts in this field, if there is such an area of study. It is not based on physical evidence that shows 2 kicks. Without that the decision could not be overturned. The ref got it right as did the linesman.


Seriously? He hits it with the instep of his left foot, it cannot possibly take the trajectory it did without a deflection, which on replay you can clearly see.

What if ..BECAUSE he slipped ......he kicked up the face of the ball instead of through it thus imparting top spin [ that's how it works in tennis ] wouldn't that produce the same result as the supposed double touch .


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Bellerin needs to be transferred immediately. Totally disappeared up his own arse.

Off with his head. Liberation needed


[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqXrAHuLksU[/youtube]

And when he pulls his frilly nylon panties right up tight.... I fear it will do little to assuage the envy of the northern refs.


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To be honest our fashion sense can't also be winning the hearts and minds of these northern refs too. I'm pretty sure if Mike Dean glances at Bellerin arriving for the game in the tunnel dressed as a Rupert the bear themed Gardon gnome it wouldn't appeal to his northern grit.

This must be helping the referees association in their never ending genocidal quest to wipe out our club.


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Everybody thinks Mike Dean was wrong to give that penalty. It was a hard one to deny. We all KNOW that some penalties are incorrectly given or not given, it's hardly major news. Happens in all sports even with technology. Saw an absurd one in the Lions v All Blacks at the death when NZ not given a clear penalty for offside that would have given them the series (just for you, KP!)

Yeah thanks Cobber ... I'd forgotten that ..the ultimate in screaming injustices ; would have won the series if not for that .
I loved Gatland when he was part of a very famous forward pack playing for my home team Waikato in the early 90s , but now he seems to have forgotten his Kiwi roots and turned into a snivelling little Quisling .

... but I moved on too much happening in life .

Yesterday a turkey arrives to check out building a new fence between us and the neighbours , I'm at the Op Shop .. wife says to him we agreed to get rid of that tree .... it's a source of ivy and all manner of sheight which will cover the new fence if left

" Whoa God ..... I dont fancy that , it's a big mother " ... he goes home "I'll be back in a week ".

I go out , climb a ladder ; tie two ropes high up the trunk ... hook it to tow bar of the Maxima ... take the weight ..a decent notch at the base ..... REV ... CRASH ... it's down .


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I know "I don't know" is an unfashionable term but I truly don't know. I do think it was almost a bizarre case of the slip bringing his feet together simultaneously and I don't know what the rules say on that. Is the "loop" only explicable by the second foot or could falling backwards provide that kind of uplift? I'm not a physicist so I don't know and I think the point Gaz is reasonably making is neither would the VAR refs so they would probably in the moment stick with a goal with no clear and decisive evidence to overturn. Obviously we may all disagree on what is clear and decisive but a bit like "umpire's call" in cricket we will just have to live with some decisions that are questionable not being overturned.


I used to be a free kick geek back in the 70s. Spent hours practising them with my school goalie mate.

The only time I managed an effect like that pen was when I slipped and double hit. No way that ball does that without hitting his other foot. Physics would suggest the same too. (The look on the Forest player's face suggests also that he thought it was a fluke)


not hard to put this one to bed .... free kick Geek you may well have been but were you any good ...?

Those half dozen admiring sheilas in their gym slips , hands clasped , ready to swoon " Oh John you are so talented " on the sidelines doesn't mean you reached Denis Bergkamp status .

The look on his face doesn't suggest a fluke ... he was laughing because in spite of the slip he still managed to put the ball in the net .

Plenty of our players Iwobi , Bellerin , Welbeck get the ball three as high as that with firm footing .


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I used to be a free kick geek back in the 70s. Spent hours practising them with my school goalie mate.

The only time I managed an effect like that pen was when I slipped and double hit. No way that ball does that without hitting his other foot. Physics would suggest the same too. (The look on the Forest player's face suggests also that he thought it was a fluke)


not hard to put this one to bed .... free kick Geek you may well have been but were you any good ...?

Those half dozen admiring sheilas in their gym slips , hands clasped , ready to swoon " Oh John you are so talented " on the sidelines doesn't mean you reached Denis Bergkamp status .

The look on his face doesn't suggest a fluke ... he was laughing because in spite of the slip he still managed to put the ball in the net .

Plenty of our players Iwobi , Bellerin , Welbeck get the ball three as high as that with firm footing .


Half a dozen? If only it were that few, the local constabulary could have had a day off crowd control at Shrewsbury Tech. The English girls loved a bit of Welsh rough (still do in fact). :icon_mrgreen:

It was the mullet/pudding bowl haircut, really tiny tight satin shorts (Arsenal of course) and socks properly rolled down to the ankles wot done it. Oh, and the aluminium studs on the Winfield (Woolworth) special boots.

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It was the mullet/pudding bowl haircut, really tiny tight satin shorts (Arsenal of course) and socks properly rolled down to the ankles wot done it. Oh, and the aluminium studs on the Winfield (Woolworth) special boots.

Stop it John you're getting me excited :laughing7:


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I just watched the game again.

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*%^@*** hell !

Why the *%^@ would you do that! :laughing7:



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It was the mullet/pudding bowl haircut, really tiny tight satin shorts (Arsenal of course) and socks properly rolled down to the ankles wot done it. Oh, and the aluminium studs on the Winfield (Woolworth) special boots.

Stop it John you're getting me excited :laughing7:

didn't realise you were gay Brom .... no shame in that I hurriedly add , strictly women and sheep for me .


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Stop it John you're getting me excited :laughing7:

didn't realise you were gay Brom .... no shame in that I hurriedly add , strictly women and sheep for me .

I'm not gay Kiwi, but if John carries on like that he might change my mind :laughing7:


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Bellerin needs to be transferred immediately. Totally disappeared up his own arse.

Off with his head. Liberation needed

As opposed to this. Who knows Hector may have.


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Can I make a point about VAR and the allegedly twice touched penalty. So much depends on what the VAR person gets to see...
Indeed, and this is another murky and unsatisfactory area of football. What gets shown on the screen will be completely dependent upon a person who is not formally part of the match taking place - namely, an unaccountable TV producer! For years we have had 'trial by television' and retrospective disciplinary action for incidents unseen by the officials during the course of a match, but who actually decided which of those incidents merited scrutiny remains a mystery. That TV runs so much of football now is obvious, but its influence over on-field issues should be carefully limited. VAR may be useful in certain circumstances but overall I'd sooner live with the vagaries of the officials, biased or unbiased.

Everyone take a seat. I agree generally with Hoy on this. Looking at the conditions of the VAR I understand that we will never know what footage the VAR person gets to look at. Remember he has a short time to make a decision. Do not for a second believe that what they are replaying on your TV will be exactly what he/she currently looks at. If they have 5 camera angles of a decision they may only really use 3. Old mate in the VAR may make the decision. Then 5 minutes later on the TV they show camera angle 4 and you will be totally outraged.

Looking at some of the recent decisions you can see how people and indeed experts are split on whether it is a penalty or not. A human being with the same mind skills as us will make the decision.

Plus wait for the time ou have aperson fouled in an attacking position, he loses the ball and the other team break and score. Don't expect that they will automatically go back that far to make a decision.

VAR or the equivalent in rugby league has been used for seasons and some of the decisions are bizarre.

We are heading to be american football which is totally f...d as a sport. Review after review.

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Indeed, and this is another murky and unsatisfactory area of football. What gets shown on the screen will be completely dependent upon a person who is not formally part of the match taking place - namely, an unaccountable TV producer! For years we have had 'trial by television' and retrospective disciplinary action for incidents unseen by the officials during the course of a match, but who actually decided which of those incidents merited scrutiny remains a mystery. That TV runs so much of football now is obvious, but its influence over on-field issues should be carefully limited. VAR may be useful in certain circumstances but overall I'd sooner live with the vagaries of the officials, biased or unbiased.

VAR has been used in the Australian league this season and it's truly horrible in its current guise. Tonight, a goal was ruled out courtesy of a player being registered as offside by the VAR in the move (or do I mean phase) before the move before the move before the goal. It was a 'violation' spotted by no-one on or off the park; which would have been argued afterwards by precisely nobody other than the kind of saddos who occupy forums like this one (lovable saddos though we are); and which resulted in a goal being ruled out as the two teams were lining up for kick-off, both of whom had believed it was valid. A better way to suck the life out of football, I can't imagine.

Missed the game and some of the decisions on cards recently have been plain stupid.

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Strong rumours today linking Coq with a move. Few prem clubs and Valencia linked. Good move for both arsenal and coq as long as we replace him.
No doubt the fee will be derisory as it always seems to be with us. 26, 3.5 years left on his contract. I reckon we’ll end up getting something under £10m


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Looking at the conditions of the VAR I understand that we will never know what footage the VAR person gets to look at. Remember he has a short time to make a decision. Do not for a second believe that what they are replaying on your TV will be exactly what he/she currently looks at.

I dont know where you are coming from .... in the Aussie rugby league they show EXACTLY what " The Bunker " ie video ref is looking at on the Big Screen and the television broadcast ...... with Phil Gould usually chipping with ' what is taking them so long "

They've had a few shockers but they've had more wins than losses in my view .


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Today's rumour is Ramsey and Welbeck are both refusing to sign new contracts as the club has offered them extensions but with no improved terms.

Welbeck I couldn't care less about now as he's Kevin Campbell -40% but Ramsey can still do a job in the premiership.

Everything literally everything is in disarray


Wenger papered over fundamental fixes with band-aids. Now the band-aids are dropping off, and the wounds did not just not heal, but has infection. Wenger made a relatively smaller issue, into a very big one for the club. Along the way he had opportunities to make the fixes, but chose to stay arrogant about his belief. It is all breaking apart now, and I cannot see how he can stay on.

The same thing happened at Monaco. He started very well, but ended badly.

Agree ... couldn't care less about Welbeck. He has not proven his worth. Ramsey seems to be coming good.

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Assuming that 4th place looks unlikely given how poorly the team is playing, surely winning the Europa League is Wenger's only possible salvation?


This Arsenal team will not be winning anything. Definitely not with Wenger still in charge. Players are leaving, and the better ones at that. Too many hanging on because of high wage or Wenger's indulgence. No Captain on the field. Zonal defence still not effective. Lack of urgency on the pitch. To top it all, a Manager lost in the old ways.

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Wenger won't win the Europa. He's hopeless at 2 legged ties and Milan,Lazio and others are still in the competition.

Milan and Lazio aren't any great shakes.


But a few 3rd placed teams coming through from their failed ECL campaign are. Atletico, Napoli & Dortmund. CSKA & Spartak Moscow may also be too much of a challenge.

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Looking at the conditions of the VAR I understand that we will never know what footage the VAR person gets to look at. Remember he has a short time to make a decision. Do not for a second believe that what they are replaying on your TV will be exactly what he/she currently looks at.

I dont know where you are coming from .... in the Aussie rugby league they show EXACTLY what " The Bunker " ie video ref is looking at on the Big Screen and the television broadcast ...... with Phil Gould usually chipping with ' what is taking them so long "

They've had a few shockers but they've had more wins than losses in my view .

You are correct in he NRL we see the same footage. But the EPL conditions you do not and never get to see what they decided on.

But as for injustices - the cowboys for instance:
I suggest you have a look at the clearly knock on try from Manly in the finals a couple of years ago.
Then the seven tackle try by Cronulla in he finals
A clearly forward pass by the Broncos to beat the Cowboys last year or the year before.

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Assuming that 4th place looks unlikely given how poorly the team is playing, surely winning the Europa League is Wenger's only possible salvation?


This Arsenal team will not be winning anything. Definitely not with Wenger still in charge. Players are leaving, and the better ones at that. Too many hanging on because of high wage or Wenger's indulgence. No Captain on the field. Zonal defence still not effective. Lack of urgency on the pitch. To top it all, a Manager lost in the old ways.

We are certainly out of the league title and have been for a few months. Of the two remaining competitions, the Europa Cup is the easier of the two. To repeat what we did in the FAC last season in reverse order of the semis and finals is a tall order and very unlikely. I'd suggest its slightly easier to get past Lazio, Milan and any of the 3rd place group stages sides over Chelsea and City. Both of whom I'd fancy winning the Europa Cup if they were still in it.

As an aside, City will win the ECL I would guess within the next 3-5 years. I could even conceive Tottenham winning it in the next 5-10 years but a few things have to happen (they remain competitive keep key players and strengthen, most importantly keep the manager when slots open when big clubs need a manager).

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bromley gooner wrote:
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It was the mullet/pudding bowl haircut, really tiny tight satin shorts (Arsenal of course) and socks properly rolled down to the ankles wot done it. Oh, and the aluminium studs on the Winfield (Woolworth) special boots.

Stop it John you're getting me excited :laughing7:


Nice to know I can still get someone excited!! :angel4:

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