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Post #509841  Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:50 pm 
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Game plan working ok, getting the best chances on the counter but fail to take them. Then concede from a corner, the sort of goal a non league side can score against you is particularly annoying as we’d done the hard bit of defending.
Then a classic arsenal moment of madness and of course we crumble.

We may be better than last season but it feels like baby steps when you see this sort of thing. So few other teams just lay down and for once the first goal goes against them. Norwich put up more of a fight, and we’re bravef than us


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Post #509842  Posted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 5:51 pm 
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Was Abamayang out on the tear last night? Looks like a guy that's half asleep today. How many millions did Emery spend this summer? This shower look pretty hopeless, to be frank. Worse, they look like a team still managed by Wenger.


We were always going to look bad against a settled team that got 99 points and won the champions league. Let’s not *%^@ our pants


We’re too good at accepting that we’re not good enough though Ash. You expect a bit more from top flight players than this seemingly habitual cave in at all the top clubs, not to mention lesser teams.

It’s just not good enough if we’re ever going to be taken seriously again.

Then we take off Ceballos, and bring on Torreira. So a defensive sub when we’re 3 down. Doesn’t make sense.

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Ash wrote:
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Was Abamayang out on the tear last night? Looks like a guy that's half asleep today. How many millions did Emery spend this summer? This shower look pretty hopeless, to be frank. Worse, they look like a team still managed by Wenger.


We were always going to look bad against a settled team that got 99 points and won the champions league. Let’s not *%^@ our pants

Or let's not settle for looking bad after spending over 120 million.


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We may be better than last season but it feels like baby steps when you gsee this sort of thing. So few other teams just lay down and for once the first goal goes against them. Norwich put up more of a fight, and we’re bravef than us

We do seem to have a long-standing habit of imploding don’t we?

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The test now is to see if this team has any cojones and to see if it still fights and tries to win the game.

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We were always going to look bad against a settled team that got 99 points and won the champions league. Let’s not *%^@ our pants


We’re too good at accepting that we’re not good enough though Ash. You expect a bit more from top flight players than this seemingly habitual cave in at all the top clubs, not to mention lesser teams.

It’s just not good enough if we’re ever going to be taken seriously again.

Then we take off Ceballos, and bring on Torreira. So a defensive sub when we’re 3 down. Doesn’t make sense.


We’ve had nothing in midfield all game, I think it makes sense. I think we have to be accepting of it when when we’re very much in transition and we play Liverpool way third game of the season. Whilst there is a limit, I’m happy to basically ignore this result and carry on improving.

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Then we take off Ceballos, and bring on Torreira. So a defensive sub when we’re 3 down. Doesn’t make sense.

If it avoids a 8-2 then it makes sense.
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Then we take off Ceballos, and bring on Torreira. So a defensive sub when we’re 3 down. Doesn’t make sense.

If it avoids a 8-2 then it makes sense.
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I think that is the thinking.

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Whilst there is a limit, I’m happy to basically ignore this result and carry on improving.

Fair enough. I wasn’t expecting a lot from this one anyway.

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Then we take off Ceballos, and bring on Torreira. So a defensive sub when we’re 3 down. Doesn’t make sense.

If it avoids a 8-2 then it makes sense.
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Disappointing that we never got any sort of a grip in this game though.

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Early season optimism draining away....
This will happen season after season at anfield.
We are no match for them on their own patch.
Was faintly hoping things would be different today but deep down you knew it would be another sound beating.


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Why did they choose the granite tile? :1laughter:

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Disappointing that we never got any sort of a grip in this game though.


Absolutely. I think Torreria being off the pace is a factor. I think we’ve looked a bit more secure since he’s come on.

Some thinking to do for emery and Edu for sure but it’s a stern lesson they’ve got to learn from. Guendouzi want too much time but then we knew that.

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Why did they choose the granite tile? :1laughter:

I don’t understand that. What’s a granite tile?

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Unlikely to make any difference to the result but missing the first choice full backs is hurting us. The difference between Bellerin/Tierney and AMN/Monreal is quite big. I wouldn’t have minded facing Liverpool minus their two full backs and with ours.

Liverpool have 11 players who know the exact plan inside out, they know exactly where they should be and where they should run and who they should pass to. They are also built as a team with attributes to perfectly suit their managers game plan, fast, athletic, high tempo, and relentless fitness.

We’re taking baby steps in trying to catch them up. We have some forward players who wouldn’t look out of place in Liverpool’s team but our midfield is incredibly pedestrian compared to Liverpool. On pure talent I don’t think there is a massive difference but it is the mobility, energy and know how that kills us


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long time gooner wrote:
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Then we take off Ceballos, and bring on Torreira. So a defensive sub when we’re 3 down. Doesn’t make sense.

If it avoids a 8-2 then it makes sense.
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Hmm, maybe.

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Positives today: a few cameos from Pépé. Otherwise, it's as you were since last year. And Mustafi isn't even on the pitch! That summariser on Sky is describing a different Arsenal.


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Unlikely to make any difference to the result but missing the first choice full backs is hurting us. The difference between Bellerin/Tierney and AMN/Monreal is quite big. I wouldn’t have minded facing Liverpool minus their two full backs and with ours.

Liverpool have 11 players who know the exact plan inside out, they know exactly where they should be and where they should run and who they should pass to. They are also built as a team with attributes to perfectly suit their managers game plan, fast, athletic, high tempo, and relentless fitness.

We’re taking baby steps in trying to catch them up. We have some forward players who wouldn’t look out of place in Liverpool’s team but our midfield is incredibly pedestrian compared to Liverpool. On pure talent I don’t think there is a massive difference but it is the mobility, energy and know how that kills us


Couldn’t agree more. I fancy us to beat them at home later in the season which sounds crazy after this. But it make sense when you think about players bedding in and players coming back.

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Could really do without a NLD to follow this.

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Yay! A goal.

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Could really do without a NLD to follow this.


Thanks I feel better now. :8angers:

At least it’s at home.

And there’s my man Torreria. Have that.

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Two more now and I might still have time to delete my last few posts...


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I think Monreal has played well

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I think Monreal has played well


Fair. His lack of pace has been exposed, which was always very likely.

Guendouzi and Ceballos below average and bad respectively.

Pépé class touches if lacking a bit of fight and end product.

Torreria looks out best player since coming on.

Luiz again lack of pace more than anything which you’d expect at 32.

Most everyone else ok. Liverpool - ruthless.

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Disappointed not to play Lacazette from the start. I’d be interested to see how many other teams decide to not play one of their first choice strikers at Anfield.

With the best teams you can name their best 11 and the formation they’ll play. I think arsenal have played 3 different formations so far this season


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Two more now and I might still have time to delete my last few posts...

Your posts are safe. Not too much of an unexpected result though ...


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Disappointed not to play Lacazette from the start. I’d be interested to see how many other teams decide to not play one of their first choice strikers at Anfield.

With the best teams you can name their best 11 and the formation they’ll play. I think arsenal have played 3 different formations so far this season


Yeah didn’t really understand that. Not fully fit??

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AMN is our worst player today. The number of wrong passes and mistakes were far too many for a premier league player.

Willock couldn't do anything, as was Ceballos. That made our midfield totally non existent. Guendozi is again all huff and puff but no end result. He is becoming Elneny II. Xhaka is his usual slow-mo style.

The playing out from our penalty area is a disaster, or two, waiting to happen. But to what end? We hardly launch a quick attack from those passes. It goes a full circle back to the penalty area. And by that time, opposing players have already retreated back. All attempted initiative to get past them quickly gone. And minutes wasted while chasing for goals. This is the most frustrating of Emery's tactics. What exactly is he playing for?

Oh well, hope he learns from this and get that victory next week. Between the 2, next week is much more significant.

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I thought the consolation goal and last 15 mins glossed over what was a pretty inept performance from both team and manager. This game was a spectacle being watched all around the world and people could have been forgiven for thinking they were watching Liverpool playing a relegation candidate.

I thought Emery was supposed to be the tactical genius that Wenger was not. He didn't do bugger all to change things until it was too late.

Overall I'm just sad because the gulf in class was enormous, embarassingly so and it's not like we didn't have some talented players out there who should have been able to compete. We just never had the belief or the tactical set-up to do so.

Sadly, after a promising start Luiz provided the defensive horror show that every one warned us about.


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AMN is our worst player today. The number of wrong passes and mistakes were far too many for a premier league player.


??? I suppose we’ve all got our view but I can’t see that at all Goonie

Edit sorry got your name mixed up, you guys always seem to post together apologies

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AMN is our worst player today. The number of wrong passes and mistakes were far too many for a premier league player.

Willock couldn't do anything, as was Ceballos. That made our midfield totally non existent. Guendozi is again all huff and puff but no end result. He is becoming Elneny II. Xhaka is his usual slow-mo style.

The playing out from our penalty area is a disaster, or two, waiting to happen. But to what end? We hardly launch a quick attack from those passes. It goes a full circle back to the penalty area. And by that time, opposing players have already retreated back. All attempted initiative to get past them quickly gone. And minutes wasted while chasing for goals. This is the most frustrating of Emery's tactics. What exactly is he playing for?

Oh well, hope he learns from this and get that victory next week. Between the 2, next week is much more significant.



AMN is not and will never be a right back. He's good when he can burst forward into crossing positions but when he is asked to defend as a RB should against quality players he lacks the know-how or positional sense. Not his fault, but unless someone is prepared to spend hours on the training ground teaching him the basic art of defending (and it is an art) he will always struggle to defend properly.


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Just watched the 24 minutes highlight package. Have to agree that we were terrible. The worst were Luis and Cela. I can’t tell if Xhaka was bad because in 24 minutes of highlights his name was not called once. Aubameyang seemed to be absent as well. Terrible spineless performance. A repeat against Spurs and I want Emery out.

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Emery let slip after the game that he’s about to be sold to Real Sociedad.


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Emery let slip after the game that he’s about to be sold to Real Sociedad.

I can not understand that at all as I think it leaves us very short at the back.

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Emery let slip after the game that he’s about to be sold to Real Sociedad.

I can not understand that at all as I think it leaves us very short at the back.


Maybe Tierney is close to coming back.

Even if it leaves us a little short it might be hard to turn down if we got offered a decent fee.


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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Just watched the 24 minutes highlight package. Have to agree that we were terrible. The worst were Luis and Cela. I can’t tell if Xhaka was bad because in 24 minutes of highlights his name was not called once. Aubameyang seemed to be absent as well. Terrible spineless performance. A repeat against Spurs and I want Emery out.


It wasn’t that bad a performance until the goals went in. We were at least competing for every ball and displaying courage.

It’s a David Luiz horror show, what on Earth was he thinking for the penalty and he dived in like a rookie on Salah for their third. I think you may see him dropped for spurs.

Asking for Emery’s head if we lose a north London derby is frankly ridiculous. We are a work in progress and need our players back and new signings integrated before you can make a judgement


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