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Post #498601  Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:25 pm 
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Özil (Paul :42laughter: ) officially gone to Fenerbache.

Plenty more needed to move on for us to really feel we’re clearing the decks and starting again but he has been a millstone around our necks for the best part of 2 years now.


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Post #498602  Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:27 pm 
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It is easy to see why we would start without one or two of Tierney Partey, Emile Smith Rowe, Saka, Lacazatte and Aubs, given that games will be coming thick and fast ... but all of them? My goodness!

S'ham are above us in the league, and its an away game, and we'll be playing them again. Even if it wasn't an important game, the risk of losing momentum is great. And it was an important game. The FA cup may have been our most realistic target, given that the Europa Cup looks very tough and (as you say) we are good at the FA cup.

I’ll be astonished if we finish above any of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Tottenham and Leicester. Finishing above Chelsea would surprise me greatly even if ‘astonished’ is too strong a word. So that’s six clubs I very much fancy, to varying degrees, to finish above us.

If a top five to seven place gets us in the Europa League then Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Aston Villa are all currently above us. If Southampton beat us at their ground on Tuesday, which I see as more likely than us winning the game, they’ll have a five point lead over us. I see it as perfectly feasible for Arsenal to finish above any of them (Everton, Southampton, West Ham and Villa). I’d say the chances of us finishing above all of them is much less likely. Moreover, I see it as perfectly feasible for Wolves to overtake us.

That’s the reason why I saw yesterday as more of a must win game than Tuesday. We can beat anyone on our day in a one off game. We’ve seen that winning at Old Trafford this season and against Liverpool, Man City and Chelsea towards the end of last season. Hence I considered winning the FA Cup as our best chance of getting in the Europa League, not a league place. That’s why I think criticism of Arteta for playing such a weakened side yesterday has some justification, especially as it was probably our best opportunity of adding to the club’s honours list.


EDIT: Don’t forget, if four of Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Leicester or Tottenham attain the Champions League placings the one who misses out will presumably get one of the fifth to seventh positions. If Chelsea are likely to get another, it leaves all of Everton, Southampton, West Ham, Aston Villa, Arsenal and Wolves to fight it out for the other.


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Post #498603  Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 2:56 pm 
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Özil (Paul :42laughter: ) officially gone to Fenerbache.

Plenty more needed to move on for us to really feel we’re clearing the decks and starting again but he has been a millstone around our necks for the best part of 2 years now.

And their fans are being asked to chip in. :15laughter:

https://www.footballtransfers.com/2021/ ... om-arsenal

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Post #498604  Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:16 pm 
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Ødegaard to Arsenal on loan for 6 months is a done deal. £2m loan fee and we pay his wages (which aren’t massive) no option to buy. Arsenal and Madrid to talk at the end of the season.

Decent record in Spain recently and adds much needed creativity and depth.


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Post #498605  Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:23 pm 
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Ødegaard to Arsenal on loan for 6 months is a done deal. £2m loan fee and we pay his wages (which aren’t massive) no option to buy. Arsenal and Madrid to talk at the end of the season.

Decent record in Spain recently and adds much needed creativity and depth.

Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.


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Patson Daka, 22, 6ft 1, RB Salzburg striker, 18 games, 16 goals 5 assists so far this season. There are certain teams that are always worth keeping an eye on for up and coming talent simply because they have such a good set up and track record of enhancing players. 27 in 45 games last year as well.
I’m not saying buy him but this is the kind of profile and player we need to be looking at. Sub £25m type player with huge upside potential


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Just heard Thiago is only making his 8th appearance for Liverpool, top class player. I expect a lot of people would feel that’s been unlucky for Liverpool to miss him.....Partey has only made 7 appearances for us


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Ødegaard to Arsenal on loan for 6 months is a done deal. £2m loan fee and we pay his wages (which aren’t massive) no option to buy. Arsenal and Madrid to talk at the end of the season.

Decent record in Spain recently and adds much needed creativity and depth.

Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.

Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.


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In the midst of the Özil saga, Willian £1,000,000 a month for three years, how did that ever happen.


eh ..... Edu ..... Brazilian ................ connect the dots

Exactly. A no brainer. The Brazilian Connection.

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Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.

Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.

The most frustrating thing could be that the better he plays for us, the less likely it presumably becomes that Real will sell him. If he’s underwhelming for Arsenal, the chances of them offloading him probably increase. Having said that, Arsenal’s eagerness to sign him permanently may well move in the opposite direction.


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Speaking of Edu....


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Agreed. But, given the pile-up of fixtures, Arteta was always going to have to choose between his strongest XI in this match and the league fixture on Tuesday. So it comes down to whether you think we're more likely to win the FA Cup than finish seventh. I can see why Mikel gambled on seventh. And, frankly, I'm getting a bit bored with winning this tin-pot trophy every other year. Four times since Ariana Grande's first UK number one - what more do you want?
The fixtures pile up for Soton too, who are also wanting Europe, so I can't go with that. To answer your question - five times please! I never tire of winning the FA Cup - greatest, and most interesting competition in football.

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Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.

The most frustrating thing could be that the better he plays for us, the less likely it presumably becomes that Real will sell him. If he’s underwhelming for Arsenal, the chances of them offloading him probably increase. Having said that, Arsenal’s eagerness to sign him permanently may well move in the opposite direction.

There is that risk, but then again Real Madrid works like no other club. My feeling is that it's rare that they loan out players who then come back and make it with them, so if Ødegaard plays well for us and likes it here I think we have a decent chance of making the move permanent providing we have the money. Like Rich said, there's a chance they might go for a marquee signing in the summer, and they would have to offload someone to do it.

Not going to get carried away since it's a big transition to make for a young player, but Ødegaard, Saka, Martinelli and Smith-Rowe looks like a great young core to build our offense around if things go well.


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Really really excited by this. There are of course the usual caveats of whether he can adapt to the PL etc, but whenever I've seen him play he's looked class. Only 22 but a couple of really good seasons of first team football behind him already. There will probably be some criticism about us not having a set option to buy, but first of all that doesn't mean it's a certainty we can't sign him permanently in the summer, and secondly I'd rather loan in someone with top class potential than sign someone who doesn't have the talent to take our offensive game forward. We have enough squad players.

Yep, let’s see how he does for 6 months. He’s a very good player and has major potential, if Real Madrid want to chase Mbappe or Upamecano in the summer and need to raise funds he could be available. Again, it’s the sort of signing we need to be making.

I agree it would be a good loan. At an age where he will be desperate to prove himself and have some great young players also trying to prove themselves.

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You may have forgotten this player but some interest in a transfer and any incoming funds would be welcome

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Lots of cheap talk from Willian. Making himself sound like a culprit to some strange forces. Certainly not a "spirit is willing, flesh is weak" situation for him. More like a "spirit is poor, while flesh is still able". Come on, stop pretending, you are just not working hard enough.

And the clear favouritism from Arteta and Edu :20hospitals:

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Amidst all my negativity of the poorer players, I must celebrate the wonders of Saka, Tierney, Emile Smith Rowe and Martinelli. Our youth brigade we must build on.

Add to that, Partey, Gabriel, Mari & Soares. Our better buys.

And the maturing player in Holding

And the assuredness of Luiz & Leno & Lacazette

And (hope) the return to form of Aubameyang

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Agreed. But, given the pile-up of fixtures, Arteta was always going to have to choose between his strongest XI in this match and the league fixture on Tuesday. So it comes down to whether you think we're more likely to win the FA Cup than finish seventh. I can see why Mikel gambled on seventh. And, frankly, I'm getting a bit bored with winning this tin-pot trophy every other year. Four times since Ariana Grande's first UK number one - what more do you want?
The fixtures pile up for Soton too, who are also wanting Europe, so I can't go with that. To answer your question - five times please! I never tire of winning the FA Cup - greatest, and most interesting competition in football.

Yes, five would have been good! Still, the fact that Arteta had to allow for a string of Europa League games as well (nine, hopefully) meant he had a bit more on his plate than Hasenhuttl.

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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.4466822

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I'm always intrigued by the ability of some clubs to spend vast sums of money. Take Aston Villa for example. Last season they spent £143m and recouped £3m in the market. People will point out that this was their first season back in the prem so they benefit from the increase revenue that brings, but that is the same (if not more) for every existing prem club who spent nowhere near that amount. And to prove that wasn't a one off that they now count the cost for they spent another £74m this year with only £2m recouped in sales. They're close to spending another £18m on a French midfielder (who's name escapes me).

So I'm not necessarily comparing this to Arsenal because we know we have spent over the years and had a wage bill that dwarfed any spending by other clubs, but why can Villa spend this much when clubs like Burnley, Newcastle, Palace and Brighton barely spend anything when they've been established in the top flight for a lot longer? Villa may have better sponsorship deals, but not £100m a season better.

We all know how City and Chelsea's owners have propped them up over the years, surely there are other clubs' owners doing the same thing just on a smaller scale. Everton are another example, over the last 4 seasons they have a net spend of £225m with no european football and zero success. How are they sustainable or in line with FFP?


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https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/w ... under-23s/
Balogun's goal for the U23's.

I get that there is this stand off between player and club which is basically "commit and we'll play you" versus "play me and i'll commit" but eventually Arsenal are going to be the ones who lose out in this.

If Balogun gets minutes and leaves for free or if he doesn't play and leaves for free he is going to get a very good deal at a very good club, there is nothing we can do to stop that. But if the only way to get him to sign a deal is to give him minutes then we need to take that first step. If Arsenal are worried about setting a precedent for other young players in terms of them delivering ultimatums 'play me or i'll leave' I think that is nonsense because Balogun is worthy of a place in match days squads.

What makes it all the more silly is Nketiah is down to the last 18 months of his contract now, so in the summer Arsenal are going to need to make a decision on him and for my money that decision should be to sell to the highest bidder which opens up the route to the first team even more clearly for Balogun. The Same is true of Lacazette who will only have a year left. And then consider Aubameyang is 31. The pathway to regular first team football couldn't be any more clear.


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I'm always intrigued by the ability of some clubs to spend vast sums of money. Take Aston Villa for example. Last season they spent £143m and recouped £3m in the market. People will point out that this was their first season back in the prem so they benefit from the increase revenue that brings, but that is the same (if not more) for every existing prem club who spent nowhere near that amount. And to prove that wasn't a one off that they now count the cost for they spent another £74m this year with only £2m recouped in sales. They're close to spending another £18m on a French midfielder (who's name escapes me).

So I'm not necessarily comparing this to Arsenal because we know we have spent over the years and had a wage bill that dwarfed any spending by other clubs, but why can Villa spend this much when clubs like Burnley, Newcastle, Palace and Brighton barely spend anything when they've been established in the top flight for a lot longer? Villa may have better sponsorship deals, but not £100m a season better.

We all know how City and Chelsea's owners have propped them up over the years, surely there are other clubs' owners doing the same thing just on a smaller scale. Everton are another example, over the last 4 seasons they have a net spend of £225m with no european football and zero success. How are they sustainable or in line with FFP?

Stan has a bit less money on his own than Abramovich but his wife Ann, an heiress to the Walmart retail chain in the US, is also a multi billionaire many times over. The Kroenke’s together have more than Roman. Maybe Ann could lend Stan a few bob?

Indeed, Stan on his own, not even with Ann, has a lot more money than Everton’s owner Farhard Moshiri. In short, Arsenal has a richer owner than clubs perceived as financially doped. It’s just that Stan is unwilling to put his own money into Arsenal. I understand some people will approve of that.

But regardless of the pros and cons of rich owners doing that, as a result I’m always a little uneasy when I see moans about us not being able to compete with financially doped clubs. If Kroenke wanted us to, we could do. For me it’s not that we can’t compete; it’s that we don’t. It’s his choice.


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Rich wrote:
https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-folarin-balogun-skips-past-defenders-scores-stunning-goal-for-arsenal-under-23s/
Balogun's goal for the U23's.

I get that there is this stand off between player and club which is basically "commit and we'll play you" versus "play me and i'll commit" but eventually Arsenal are going to be the ones who lose out in this.

If Balogun gets minutes and leaves for free or if he doesn't play and leaves for free he is going to get a very good deal at a very good club, there is nothing we can do to stop that. But if the only way to get him to sign a deal is to give him minutes then we need to take that first step. If Arsenal are worried about setting a precedent for other young players in terms of them delivering ultimatums 'play me or i'll leave' I think that is nonsense because Balogun is worthy of a place in match days squads.

What makes it all the more silly is Nketiah is down to the last 18 months of his contract now, so in the summer Arsenal are going to need to make a decision on him and for my money that decision should be to sell to the highest bidder which opens up the route to the first team even more clearly for Balogun. The Same is true of Lacazette who will only have a year left. And then consider Aubameyang is 31. The pathway to regular first team football couldn't be any more clear.

If Balogun is better why hasn't he played ahead of Nketiah?

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Rich wrote:
https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-folarin-balogun-skips-past-defenders-scores-stunning-goal-for-arsenal-under-23s/
Balogun's goal for the U23's.

I get that there is this stand off between player and club which is basically "commit and we'll play you" versus "play me and i'll commit" but eventually Arsenal are going to be the ones who lose out in this.

If Balogun gets minutes and leaves for free or if he doesn't play and leaves for free he is going to get a very good deal at a very good club, there is nothing we can do to stop that. But if the only way to get him to sign a deal is to give him minutes then we need to take that first step. If Arsenal are worried about setting a precedent for other young players in terms of them delivering ultimatums 'play me or i'll leave' I think that is nonsense because Balogun is worthy of a place in match days squads.

What makes it all the more silly is Nketiah is down to the last 18 months of his contract now, so in the summer Arsenal are going to need to make a decision on him and for my money that decision should be to sell to the highest bidder which opens up the route to the first team even more clearly for Balogun. The Same is true of Lacazette who will only have a year left. And then consider Aubameyang is 31. The pathway to regular first team football couldn't be any more clear.

If Balogun is better why hasn't he played ahead of Nketiah?

He’s out of contract and leaving.

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Rich wrote:
https://www.planetfootball.com/videos/watch-folarin-balogun-skips-past-defenders-scores-stunning-goal-for-arsenal-under-23s/
Balogun's goal for the U23's.

I get that there is this stand off between player and club which is basically "commit and we'll play you" versus "play me and i'll commit" but eventually Arsenal are going to be the ones who lose out in this.

If Balogun gets minutes and leaves for free or if he doesn't play and leaves for free he is going to get a very good deal at a very good club, there is nothing we can do to stop that. But if the only way to get him to sign a deal is to give him minutes then we need to take that first step. If Arsenal are worried about setting a precedent for other young players in terms of them delivering ultimatums 'play me or i'll leave' I think that is nonsense because Balogun is worthy of a place in match days squads.

What makes it all the more silly is Nketiah is down to the last 18 months of his contract now, so in the summer Arsenal are going to need to make a decision on him and for my money that decision should be to sell to the highest bidder which opens up the route to the first team even more clearly for Balogun. The Same is true of Lacazette who will only have a year left. And then consider Aubameyang is 31. The pathway to regular first team football couldn't be any more clear.


If he’s not going to sign a contract why should Arsenal have to play him and give him minutes ? Either he wants to be involved or not.

The real question for me is why isn’t martinelli getting another try up front instead of Nketiah. When he played centrally he looked far more assured than Nketiah who doesn’t look anywhere near premiership standard.


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And the clear favouritism from Arteta and Edu :20hospitals:

Seems to me that it's a good idea for them to try and show support for Willian - a very good player who has hit a rare patch of bad form during a really poor spell for the entire team. Getting him back to performing to the ability he showed for Chelsea during his 7 years there is definitely in the best interest of the club. Thought his performance against Southampton was a step forward for him.


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If Balogun is better why hasn't he played ahead of Nketiah?

He’s out of contract and leaving.
There’s no point playing a player who doesn’t want to be with us

It might be worth asking why Balogun doesn’t want to be with us, if he doesn’t? Could it be a lack of playing time? If it is, would he have stayed had he Nketiah’s playing time? If so, it takes me to Gunfire’s question. If Balogun is better than Nketiah, why hasn’t Arteta played him more?


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Bernard wrote:
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He’s out of contract and leaving.
There’s no point playing a player who doesn’t want to be with us

It might be worth asking why Balogun doesn’t want to be with us, if he doesn’t? Could it be a lack of playing time? If it is, would he have stayed had he Nketiah’s playing time? If so, it takes me to Gunfire’s question. If Balogun is better than Nketiah, why hasn’t Arteta played him more?

Same answer really Bernard. If he has no future with the club and is leaving for zero transfer fee why should the club give him valuable experience. I don’t think we should be playing him if that’s the case.


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And the clear favouritism from Arteta and Edu :20hospitals:

Seems to me that it's a good idea for them to try and show support for Willian - a very good player who has hit a rare patch of bad form during a really poor spell for the entire team. Getting him back to performing to the ability he showed for Chelsea during his 7 years there is definitely in the best interest of the club.


I’m no longer considering his previous form for chelsea. He’s dreadful

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Frank Lampard to be sacked. Enjoy yourself Thomas Tuchel.

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Seems to me that it's a good idea for them to try and show support for Willian - a very good player who has hit a rare patch of bad form during a really poor spell for the entire team. Getting him back to performing to the ability he showed for Chelsea during his 7 years there is definitely in the best interest of the club. Thought his performance against Southampton was a step forward for him.

I think people are writing off Willian as useless far too quickly. As you imply he produced enough over a long time at Chelsea to show he has the ingredients to be a fine player for Arsenal. Unless age has caught up with him and since joining he’s grown older by five years rather than five months.


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Post #498632  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:17 am 
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It might be worth asking why Balogun doesn’t want to be with us, if he doesn’t? Could it be a lack of playing time? If it is, would he have stayed had he Nketiah’s playing time? If so, it takes me to Gunfire’s question. If Balogun is better than Nketiah, why hasn’t Arteta played him more?

Same answer really Bernard. If he has no future with the club and is leaving for zero transfer fee why should the club give him valuable experience. I don’t think we should be playing him if that’s the case.

My question has more to do with why he wasn’t given more playing time before he decided to leave, if he has and if he is better than Nketiah?


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Post #498633  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:54 am 
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Frank Lampard to be sacked. Enjoy yourself Thomas Tuchel.


Bad news. Tuchel could do something with them.

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Post #498634  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:55 am 
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If Balogun is better why hasn't he played ahead of Nketiah?

He’s out of contract and leaving.

There’s no point playing a player who doesn’t want to be with us


But he wants to stay if he gets game time.

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Post #498635  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:12 pm 
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Gunfire wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
He’s out of contract and leaving.

There’s no point playing a player who doesn’t want to be with us


But he wants to stay if he gets game time.

His agent is asking prospective clubs for 100 grand a week. It’s another Gnabry type situation rather than about game time.


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Post #498636  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:16 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Same answer really Bernard. If he has no future with the club and is leaving for zero transfer fee why should the club give him valuable experience. I don’t think we should be playing him if that’s the case.

My question has more to do with why he wasn’t given more playing time before he decided to leave, if he has and if he is better than Nketiah?


That’s absolutely the most pertinent question than why won’t we play him now. Seems crazy considering his recent performances. Worth remembering though he’s still only 19 so has time on his side but it seems a Gnabry situation.

The club might feel let down by him and his agent if they reneged on promises made to sign hence not playing him who knows


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Post #498637  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:27 pm 
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Gunfire wrote:
Zed wrote:
Frank Lampard to be sacked. Enjoy yourself Thomas Tuchel.


Bad news. Tuchel could do something with them.

You'd certainly think he'd be better placed to get more out of the high priced signigs they made in the summer, particularly the German duo.

Lampard did pretty well with the young English players he had, the transfer ban was a blessing for him, then he was handed £220m and it didn't work out.

Lots of comparisons between Arteta/Solksjaer/Lampard - Solskjaer has had a lot more experience than the other two. One big difference I've noticed is how many managers, players, ex players say Arteta really will be the business and the way he talks about football is top class. I have rarely heard that about the other two. Of course, talk is cheap and he still needs to produce the results


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Post #498638  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:32 pm 
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Seems to me that it's a good idea for them to try and show support for Willian - a very good player who has hit a rare patch of bad form during a really poor spell for the entire team. Getting him back to performing to the ability he showed for Chelsea during his 7 years there is definitely in the best interest of the club. Thought his performance against Southampton was a step forward for him.

I think people are writing off Willian as useless far too quickly. As you imply he produced enough over a long time at Chelsea to show he has the ingredients to be a fine player for Arsenal. Unless age has caught up with him and since joining he’s grown older by five years rather than five months.

Agreed, he's not performing at the moment but you don't go from decent to awful over night. Someone needs to sit down and watch all his best performances for Chelsea over the last 2 seasons and study the position he played with and without the ball, the position he generally received the ball in, where his full back was, the typical passes/crosses he was making and the movement around him.

If you can pick like-for-like situations and Willian is consistently messing it up with us when he wasn't with Chelsea then the severe drop off would carry more weight. My nagging feeling is the team isn't set up to get the best from Willian. There needs to be a bit of blame from both sides because there are things a player can do to play himself in to form and it doesn't usually start with goals and assists.


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Post #498639  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:40 pm 
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Lots of comparisons between Arteta/Solksjaer/Lampard - Solskjaer has had a lot more experience than the other two. One big difference I've noticed is how many managers, players, ex players say Arteta really will be the business and the way he talks about football is top class. I have rarely heard that about the other two. Of course, talk is cheap and he still needs to produce the results

Of the three, Arteta is the only one where I've seen some semblance of a method with the way he improved our organisation and defensive structure in very little time. We went from being a complete mess defensively to being pretty hard to score against, and not by luck, desperate last ditch defending or a goalkeeper that constantly bails us out. That doesn't happen unless you have some managerial ability.


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Post #498640  Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:16 pm 
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Hazuki wrote:
Rich wrote:
Lots of comparisons between Arteta/Solksjaer/Lampard - Solskjaer has had a lot more experience than the other two. One big difference I've noticed is how many managers, players, ex players say Arteta really will be the business and the way he talks about football is top class. I have rarely heard that about the other two. Of course, talk is cheap and he still needs to produce the results

Of the three, Arteta is the only one where I've seen some semblance of a method with the way he improved our organisation and defensive structure in very little time. We went from being a complete mess defensively to being pretty hard to score against, and not by luck, desperate last ditch defending or a goalkeeper that constantly bails us out. That doesn't happen unless you have some managerial ability.


I’m getting tired of pointing out that you are not allowed to be positive about Mikel Arteta on this forum without countering it with a negative. For example your post should have ended with something like “doesn’t happen unless you have some managerial ability but I still think he doesn’t have a coherent plan and is probably a deviant too”

Please can you remedy this in future ..


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