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Post #472121  Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:41 pm 
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People seem to have missed the fact when the last transfer window closed all the stories were that we would be back for Lemar in January. What happened?

I think the clue here is the highlighted word.
The press really know zero about transfers when it comes to Arsenal.


Yeah...the only one who is reliable is Ornstein because he is happy to break a story later to be more accurate.

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Post #472122  Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:41 pm 
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Its OK to like Arsene Wenger and Sibelius. 'Love and only love will endure. Hate is everything you think it is.' Hate on, losers.


It is although your level of denial of the problems afflicting our club is kind of the other extreme really.

Neil Young's done some ropey old *%^@ in his time as well.


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Post #472123  Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2018 4:47 pm 
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I hasten to add that I don't HATE Wenger. It's only football. I just think he's overrated in some quarters, stinking the fridge out like five day fish, and a bit of a plank.

He said another thing today that makes no *%^@*** sense at all and yet delivers it with the kind of solemnity that makes suckers like you (hey if you can go around zzzzing everybody and calling them losers then have some sauce you old gander) lap it up and consider him a Solomon.

When asked whether Aubameyang would fit in, he replied: "Yes because a character can be of a very positive note and can be a very negative note.

"I believe that overall you look at the achievement of a player during his career and usually when a career has been very positive, the character has been used in a positive way."


Wenger specialises in this kind of barely coherent guff.


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So if we do sign Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan how do we set up with those two AND Özil and Lacazette? Because surely the later two can’t be dropped?
That is 4 players who thrive centrally. Can anyone recall where Mkhitaryan played and in what formation when he was at Dortmund?

Is this the culmination of wenger’s obsession with central players and he’ll play 4-2-2-2 with zero width at all?


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I hasten to add that I don't HATE Wenger. It's only football. I just think he's overrated in some quarters, stinking the fridge out like five day fish, and a bit of a plank.

He said another thing today that makes no *%^@*** sense at all and yet delivers it with the kind of solemnity that makes suckers like you (hey if you can go around zzzzing everybody and calling them losers then have some sauce you old gander) lap it up and consider him a Solomon.

When asked whether Aubameyang would fit in, he replied: "Yes because a character can be of a very positive note and can be a very negative note.

"I believe that overall you look at the achievement of a player during his career and usually when a career has been very positive, the character has been used in a positive way."


Wenger specialises in this kind of barely coherent guff.

It's just spin, Daz. Asked an awkward question about a potential signings character, he turned it into a positive which the player will undoubtedly like.

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So if we do sign Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan how do we set up with those two AND Özil and Lacazette? Because surely the later two can’t be dropped?
That is 4 players who thrive centrally. Can anyone recall where Mkhitaryan played and in what formation when he was at Dortmund?

Is this the culmination of wenger’s obsession with central players and he’ll play 4-2-2-2 with zero width at all?

I thought Mkhitaryan was a right sided midfielder when he played for Dortmund but am happy to be corrected.

Didn't he miss a couple of great chances against us in one of the fixtures in Germany?

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I thought Mkhitaryan was a right sided midfielder when he played for Dortmund but am happy to be corrected.

Didn't he miss a couple of great chances against us in one of the fixtures in Germany?

Yeah, think he's been primarily used on the right side and as a no 10 throughout his career. Whenever I've seen him he's always looked quite ambidextrous, so he can probably play all across the front line.

Plenty of reports from Germany that Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan are as good as done deals. Hope we at stil give Malcom a real try, loan him back for the rest of the season if it's the only way. We need to build for the future, not just sign stop gaps, however good they are.


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I wonder if our new chief scout can tempt some more Dortmund players over. Reus has been admired by Wenger for years - he's got a classic Arsenal injury record as well.

I'd be more interested in Pulisic and Weigl. Two very good young midfielders.


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It's just spin, Daz. Asked an awkward question about a potential signings character, he turned it into a positive which the player will undoubtedly like.


It's gibberish.

He's meant to be smart according to his hagiographers.


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It's gibberish.

You're not wrong, but at this point it kind of feels like I'm fluent in Wenger gibberish. I think the point Wenger was trying to make was that Aubameyang has been accused of being selfish and having a bad attitude (which was what the question was about) but seeing as he's had a very successful career he's managed to turn his attitude into something positive.

Although if I wanted to make that point I would probably not use the sentence "I believe that overall you look at the achievement of a player during his career and usually when a career has been very positive, the character has been used in a positive way."


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:laughing7: I actually admire your stand Old Man .... like a lone decrepit Maunsell Fort standing bravely against the relentless anti Wenger waves

Wishes he was a Kiwi [ John 1 ] wishes he knew something about football [ Socrates ] some half arsed consultant DHD , eater of king Cobras [ Decaf ]



Since we don't get those down here, and I presume they haven't featured in any Indian cuisine I have enjoyed, I take it you mean that as a metaphorical reference to my potency and prowess in battle?

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Have to wonder how the position he's played for basically his entire professional career is not considered his right one.

:53big-emoticons: top marks to Bjorn Borg ... thought myself before frantic activities took me away .... "Oh he's playing out of position " :laughing7: .......... who decided that .....?

Well in between trimming his beard , fitting a new earring , wondering what sort of tattoo would make him look mean , admiring the new Porsche Theo apparently decided

...... "I dont want to be Marc Overmars I'll be Thierry Henry "

.... unfortunately he never remotely did enough work to match either but suddenly our American friend in between cleaning the .357 , bazooka and M16 .......feels Theo's been hard done by .

American may have a point. Did Theo ever have a 'right position' to be out of?

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I think Wenger can be compared to a modernist artist. One person looks at his work & interprets it as the artist was trying to get X message across. Then along comes someone else who says he was expressing anger at the modern society.

Then along comes a number of people who ask ‘ what the f is that supposed to be.’ Well my interpretation of the latest press conference is in line with the last group.

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Hazuki wrote:
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It's gibberish.

You're not wrong, but at this point it kind of feels like I'm fluent in Wenger gibberish...

Perhaps you should be our next back-room appointment. As a translator.

I've been thinking for some time that this might be the root cause of many of our on-field problems. While it's easy to blame them on a lack of coaching, Wenger being unable to motivate the players, Bellerin's pusillanimous hairdo, etc, could it be that the players simply have no idea what on earth the manager is going on about?

It's noticeable that the coherence of his spoken English has declined markedly in the last few years. Of course 21 years in the English game will do that to anyone, but he's no Trevor Brooking, that's for sure.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
I think Wenger can be compared to a modernist artist. One person looks at his work & interprets it as the artist was trying to get X message across. Then along comes someone else who says he was expressing anger at the modern society.

Then along comes a number of people who ask ‘ what the f is that supposed to be.’ Well my interpretation of the latest press conference is in line with the last group.


Exactly my point. Substitute "press conference" for "team talk" and look what you get.

At this point I'm not even confident of 6th place, though still hoping to be spectacularly wrong.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
I think Wenger can be compared to a modernist artist. One person looks at his work & interprets it as the artist was trying to get X message across. Then along comes someone else who says he was expressing anger at the modern society.

Then along comes a number of people who ask ‘ what the f is that supposed to be.’ Well my interpretation of the latest press conference is in line with the last group.
You're obsessed with Arsene Wenger. Is that good for you?

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Hmmm...

OK OK I'm usually right.

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Did I just see Trevor Brooking mentioned? He was rubbish at top trumps.

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It's gibberish.

You're not wrong, but at this point it kind of feels like I'm fluent in Wenger gibberish. I think the point Wenger was trying to make was that Aubameyang has been accused of being selfish and having a bad attitude (which was what the question was about) but seeing as he's had a very successful career he's managed to turn his attitude into something positive.

Although if I wanted to make that point I would probably not use the sentence "I believe that overall you look at the achievement of a player during his career and usually when a career has been very positive, the character has been used in a positive way."

He hasnt a clue Haz. That's Daz that is.

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:laughing7: I actually admire your stand Old Man .... like a lone decrepit Maunsell Fort standing bravely against the relentless anti Wenger waves

Wishes he was a Kiwi [ John 1 ] wishes he knew something about football [ Socrates ] some half arsed consultant DHD , eater of king Cobras [ Decaf ]



Since we don't get those down here, and I presume they haven't featured in any Indian cuisine I have enjoyed, I take it you mean that as a metaphorical reference to my potency and prowess in battle?

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Post #472142  Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2018 12:47 am 

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At this point I'm not even confident of 6th place, though still hoping to be spectacularly wrong.

I think we'll get sixth place. The current seventh place team is Burnley, who are five points behind us. Call me over-optimistic but I think we'll manage to hold them off, and anyone even further behind.


  
 
 
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
I think Wenger can be compared to a modernist artist. One person looks at his work & interprets it as the artist was trying to get X message across. Then along comes someone else who says he was expressing anger at the modern society.

Then along comes a number of people who ask ‘ what the f is that supposed to be.’ Well my interpretation of the latest press conference is in line with the last group.
You're obsessed with Arsene Wenger. Is that good for you?

Hoy how wonderful to here from you. I take it that your time in the bunker is well spent & that you are in rude health. You and Wenger being the only ones left probably know how Eva and Adolf felt at the end.
It has been a fine week for me as Theo has left. Obsessed - no just caring about a club I have more than a passing interest in. Just sitting at some outdoor tea rooms having a drink. Came up the mountain as it is a bit cooler at 29 degrees. Bit of a breeze so pleasant here. Better get back to talking with my wife who is trying to get updates on the Tour Downunder. Don’t be a stranger on here.

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At this point I'm not even confident of 6th place, though still hoping to be spectacularly wrong.

I think we'll get sixth place. The current seventh place team is Burnley, who are five points behind us. Call me over-optimistic but I think we'll manage to hold them off, and anyone even further behind.

Let’s just get to 40 points before we work out finishing positions. We seem to have stalled on 39

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Arsene Wenger 'disrespectful' over Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang

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Maybe the Walcott transfer was by mutual consent but nevertheless, its not a good week when we lose two quality players, one of them our best, to the two managers that hate Wenger the most.

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Maybe the Walcott transfer was by mutual consent but nevertheless, its not a good week when we lose two quality players, one of them our best, to the two managers that hate Wenger the most.


AG, what quality player are you referring to? You don't mean Walcott, do you?
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Decaf wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
:53big-emoticons: top marks to Bjorn Borg ... thought myself before frantic activities took me away .... "Oh he's playing out of position " :laughing7: .......... who decided that .....?

Well in between trimming his beard , fitting a new earring , wondering what sort of tattoo would make him look mean , admiring the new Porsche Theo apparently decided

...... "I dont want to be Marc Overmars I'll be Thierry Henry "

.... unfortunately he never remotely did enough work to match either but suddenly our American friend in between cleaning the .357 , bazooka and M16 .......feels Theo's been hard done by .

American may have a point. Did Theo ever have a 'right position' to be out of?

:laughing7: how true ....

bit of a blunder on the snake , pride myself in knowing a bit about the animal kingdom ..should have said Cape Cobra .


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Maybe the Walcott transfer was by mutual consent but nevertheless, its not a good week when we lose two quality players, one of them our best, to the two managers that hate Wenger the most.


AG, what quality player are you referring to? You don't mean Walcott, do you?
Or, are you trolling? :icon_mrgreen:


LOL...shoot me but I like Theo. When he's in the mood he's dangerous.

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It will be interesting to see if he's kept on the wing or he gets some playing time centrally. Maybe he spoke with fat Sam about it prior? Who knows.

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You're not wrong, but at this point it kind of feels like I'm fluent in Wenger gibberish...

Perhaps you should be our next back-room appointment. As a translator.

I've been thinking for some time that this might be the root cause of many of our on-field problems. While it's easy to blame them on a lack of coaching, Wenger being unable to motivate the players, Bellerin's pusillanimous hairdo, etc, could it be that the players simply have no idea what on earth the manager is going on about?

It's noticeable that the coherence of his spoken English has declined markedly in the last few years. Of course 21 years in the English game will do that to anyone, but he's no Trevor Brooking, that's for sure.


How delightful to see you again and I mean that in a totally non-arch way and congratulations on the use of pusillanimous - ah memories.

Thanks for the translation, Haz, I didn't hear the question to which Wenger was responding but it is still gibberish and I agree with Mr Ordinary that his spoken language has been deteriorating, not just in a grammatical sense but in the sheer meaningless banality of what he says. Perhaps it is just football perhaps it is some new law of thermodynamics which states that in a closed minded French manager energy once spent buying cheap players and converting them into stars will inevitably collapse through a process of stages involving tugging pointlessly on the zip of an overlong puffa into total linguistic entropy.

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At this point I'm not even confident of 6th place, though still hoping to be spectacularly wrong.

I think we'll get sixth place. The current seventh place team is Burnley, who are five points behind us. Call me over-optimistic but I think we'll manage to hold them off, and anyone even further behind.

6th seems fairly nailed on, and probably has been since the start of the season. I’d certainly give lower odds to us finishing 7th than 5th though.

Funny how wenger described the situation with so many important players entering their last 12 months as ‘ideal’, and is now saying that it has had a destabilising effect on the squad!

Come the summer Ramsey and welbeck will have 12 months left. Offer them both new terms and if they refuse to sign sell them immediately.


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AG, what quality player are you referring to? You don't mean Walcott, do you?
Or, are you trolling? :icon_mrgreen:


LOL...shoot me but I like Theo. When he's in the mood he's dangerous.


No, I won't shoot you. Too much shooting from where you are already :icon_mrgreen:

Question: How long ago since Theo was in his mood?

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It will be interesting to see if he's kept on the wing or he gets some playing time centrally. Maybe he spoke with fat Sam about it prior? Who knows.


Just to prove Wenger wrong, I hope he gets to play forward and score tons there.

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Rich wrote:
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I think we'll get sixth place. The current seventh place team is Burnley, who are five points behind us. Call me over-optimistic but I think we'll manage to hold them off, and anyone even further behind.

6th seems fairly nailed on, and probably has been since the start of the season. I’d certainly give lower odds to us finishing 7th than 5th though.

Funny how wenger described the situation with so many important players entering their last 12 months as ‘ideal’, and is now saying that it has had a destabilising effect on the squad!

Come the summer Ramsey and welbeck will have 12 months left. Offer them both new terms and if they refuse to sign sell them immediately.


Wenger is suffering from amnesia

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Even if we sign Aubameyang and Mika our central midfield is still distinctly average and it seems rather extravagant to have a defence that is utter shite defensively.


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http://www.football365.com/news/man-utd ... arget-seri

Seems like another target has attracted bigger fish.


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a defence that is utter shite defensively.


File with marksmen with a very poor aim and vets who hate animals.


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Rich wrote:
http://www.football365.com/news/man-utd-leading-four-way-race-for-ex-barca-target-seri

Seems like another target has attracted bigger fish.


With Wenger at the helm, don't expect him to get the better of other clubs. Only he believes he is doing the club a favour by being "penny wise, pound foolish". He will end up getting half-injured or over-30 players, who are past their prime at prices that aren't exactly rock bottom.

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