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Post #304481  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:01 am 
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You might want to think about that first sentence a little? I am happy to accept an apology. Was in New Zealand when we had that bad run, and difficult as it may be to believe, we were mercifully free of the internet in that beautiful country. I really had better things to do than worry about Arsenal's situation.

Looking at it again I should have said something else in the first sentence. I apologise for my wording however I maintain my views that to remain silent is part of the problem. AS I pointed out acquiescence by silence means that there is a perception that 'we have turned the corner ' and all is now okay.

Moving to todays game I though Elneny had a very good game and I think he is improving all the time. Ramsay is nearing his peak as a player. The problem however is that we only played well for about 20 minutes and put ourselves in a very difficult position. Other results mean we are a real chance of winning the cup.

I know we are all supposed to be hypercritical of Wenger, but I think sometimes it is overdone. Clearly, Wenger has lost his mojo and this is reflected in our performance, particularly in away games. But I think if Wenger bowed out now he would be leaving the club in good shape. In terms of the squad I think we are in a pretty good place. A few strategic buys and we would be looking formidable.

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Post #304482  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:05 am 
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I suppose in football we all have a different view of some players. But I am not sure I would call Wellbeck exceptional.
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Actually he said:

"I would say, above all, the qualities of Danny Welbeck... when your back's against the wall, he looks like he has that extra special motivation in his body and in his head, that can give you something special.

"That's something really exceptional and that you do not find in many players."

He's saying Welbeck has a exceptionally good attitude. Is that really in dispute? If he can keep scoring goals then he may well become an exceptional player.

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Post #304483  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:23 pm 
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And then there’s Ramsey likely to get 3 times more than Jack’s offer despite having a similarly poor injury record and a patchy recovery profile.
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Ramsey has 57 goals in 323 games for Arsenal over 10 years
Wilshere has 14 goals in 192 games for Arsenal over 8 years (I've taken off the two years '09 and '10 at the start of Jack's career where he only got 1 first team appearance)

Ramsey has between double and treble the strike rate and I'd wager a better assist rate.

I think Ramsey should be unhappy if Jack was offered the same terms as him


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Post #304484  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 12:23 pm 
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Home to Athletico first leg............................

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Post #304485  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:39 pm 
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And then there’s Ramsey likely to get 3 times more than Jack’s offer despite having a similarly poor injury record and a patchy recovery profile.
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Ramsey has 57 goals in 323 games for Arsenal over 10 years
Wilshere has 14 goals in 192 games for Arsenal over 8 years (I've taken off the two years '09 and '10 at the start of Jack's career where he only got 1 first team appearance)

Ramsey has between double and treble the strike rate and I'd wager a better assist rate.

I think Ramsey should be unhappy if Jack was offered the same terms as him


You have a point Rich but there’s more to Jack than the bald statistics in the eyes of most supporters.

He’s as near as dammit a local (Stevenage), he’s been with the club since he was 9 and he was our youngest ever debutante when he was 16. He’s also represented England at every level. Regardless of his recent dip in form, the crowd love him. He's a tryer and he doesn't shirk or hide. I’d say he’s way more popular than any other player in the current team. They want him to succeed and more to the point, they want him to be given the chance to succeed for us.

Showing him the door for no obvious reason when those around him seem more favoured is as much a slap in the face for the support as it is for Jack.


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Post #304486  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 1:40 pm 
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Jack seems increasingly distracted by his contractual wrangles. It can’t be much fun to know that the club doesn’t particularly value his talents. He’s played week in week out for most of this season yet his injury record is cited as a reason for not offering the sort of contract his performances (until recently) deserved. He looks around to see Özil being paid at least 4 times what he’s being offered for hit-and-miss performances and a less than whole-hearted commitment to the battle. Elneny gets a new long-term contract without ever being considered a regular like Jack was/is. And then there’s Ramsey likely to get 3 times more than Jack’s offer despite having a similarly poor injury record and a patchy recovery profile.

Jack has been with the club since childhood. He’s regularly Captain these days and despite a drop in form recently, he’s still one of the first names we all look for. If he’s to be believed - and I do - he has a great affection for the Club and doesn’t want to leave. Anyone who watches him in a match can see that things seem to matter more to Jack than to some of the players around him. The recent episode with the sending-off, whilst unseemly, showed a tenacity and aggression that marks him apart from many of his shrinking violet colleagues. All teams need that attitude sometimes. God knows we could do with a bit more of it.

Our midfield needs a serious shake-up. Nobody doubts that, but at the moment, the sole focus of that shake-up seems to be Jack. It will be a great shame if Jack is forced out - because that’s what it’s increasingly looking like.

I feel a certain sympathy for Jack, but consider if any of the 5 clubs above us in the league would come in for him - I doubt it. They'd be forming a queue if Ramsey or Özil were available. He sadly hasn't turned into the player it seemed he was destined to become. He has good qualities, but has lost a turn of pace and always seems to be struggling these days. If you can believe what you read he's been offered 90 grand a week - I'd say that was more than fair. It might be a good idea for him to find a Walcott-like move to Everton or the like, as his game time is going to be limited if he stays. Ramsey, Xhaka and Elneny are all ahead of him now and personally I'd pick Maitland-Niles ahead of him as well.


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Post #304487  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 5:09 pm 

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I’d say he’s way more popular than any other player in the current team. They want him to succeed and more to the point, they want him to be given the chance to succeed for us.

Showing him the door for no obvious reason when those around him seem more favoured is as much a slap in the face for the support as it is for Jack.

I don't think slapping fans in the face concerns the current ownership regime at Arsenal.


  
 
 
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I have zero to little faith we will get past Atletico. I am hoping for the best. But we will be done from the 1st leg and have too much to do on the second leg.

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Post #304489  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:03 pm 
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Michael Oliver ensuring honorary life membership at the Bernabeau and burnt in effigy in Juventus .

I think Oliver is the best ref in the prem, I also think he made exactly the right decision in giving the penalty and the red card to Buffon.

At 3-3 it would have been easy for the ref to bottle the penalty and let the game go to extra time so the teams could decide the winner rather than the ref have to make a decision which decided the match.


It was an ungainly challenge but the defender did nothing to make the Madrid player fall the way he did ..... so he dived .

He never looked like attempting a shot .

I don't blame Buffon for getting p***sed off , Oliver had just f***&^d up one of the greatest comebacks in footballing history .


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Post #304490  Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 9:17 pm 
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Was in New Zealand when we had that bad run, and difficult as it may be to believe, we were mercifully free of the internet in that beautiful country. I really had better things to do than worry about Arsenal's situation.


Ahhh it all falls into place you were one of the Barmy Army ...that cheery mob that breaks into "Rule Brittania" every five seconds

Hopefully you were hooked up with that old duck they showed a couple of times in the crowd with the fabulous set .


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Post #304491  Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:03 am 
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
I suppose in football we all have a different view of some players. But I am not sure I would call Wellbeck exceptional.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/ ... opa-league


Welbeck has started a scoring run. Hope he continues, and picks up his confidence. I was excited when he signed from MU. I thought he could develop into a new TH14, but injuries hit him bad. The goal he scored against Moscow was one which showed presence and confidence. Really hope he picks up from there. The true test will be against Athletico.

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Post #304492  Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:27 am 
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I don't blame Buffon for getting p***sed off , Oliver had just f***&^d up one of the greatest comebacks in footballing history .


Tough *%^@, his job is to referee not to provide the narrative you prefer. You can argue whether his decision was correct but the last thing he should have been influenced by is the context in which he made it.

Glimmers in Arsenal of a team one might start to connect with again. Elneny is becoming a really decent and likeable player. Enjoying Welbeck's recent run. Ramsey is approaching his best again. A few things to enjoy at last. None of this is really about results it's about the spirit of the club and team. Hoy can Zzzz all he likes but it is exactly boredom that has created so much indifference to the club. A football club that bores its fans is like a comedian who doesn't make you laugh and it's a pretty futile form of sanctimony to wag your finger at an empty seat.

Like many, I still don't bother going to The Emirates any more. Off to Craven Cottage today - one of my favourite grounds - with little hope we can *%^@ up Fulham's charge.


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I don't blame Buffon for getting p***sed off , Oliver had just f***&^d up one of the greatest comebacks in footballing history .


Tough *%^@, his job is to referee not to provide the narrative you prefer. You can argue whether his decision was correct but the last thing he should have been influenced by is the context in which he made it.

Glimmers in Arsenal of a team one might start to connect with again. Elneny is becoming a really decent and likeable player. Enjoying Welbeck's recent run. Ramsey is approaching his best again. A few things to enjoy at last. None of this is really about results it's about the spirit of the club and team. Hoy can Zzzz all he likes but it is exactly boredom that has created so much indifference to the club. A football club that bores its fans is like a comedian who doesn't make you laugh and it's a pretty futile form of sanctimony to wag your finger at an empty seat.

Like many, I still don't bother going to The Emirates any more. Off to Craven Cottage today - one of my favourite grounds - with little hope we can *%^@ up Fulham's charge.


I don't think it warranted a penalty ..... simple as that and in giving one Oliver f***% up the game . I don't care who won so no special narrative needed for my benefit .

Think if I was back in England I'd do the same select a little club to follow , go watch Arsenal reserves .

Apart from the boring style of our play , it's the uneven playing fields of the Premier League so much money available to some clubs while others struggle , massive wages for Joe Average players all fuels the disinterest .

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Post #304494  Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:45 pm 
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Hard to argue that much with the PFA player of the year nominations. I would say Sterling can feel a bit hard done by not to be on there.
Kane, De Bruyne, Silva, Sane, salah, De Gea.

My issue, the same as most years are the stupid parameters for YOUNG player of the year. Kane and Ederson at 24 are nominated.

Also, rashford nominated, is thatjust a lazy vote for someone who is in the headlines more than others. He’s only scored 6 prem goals and is mostly on the bench.


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Post #304495  Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:50 pm 
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Chelsea are awful. 2-0 down to Southampton.

Apart from Costa it’s the same squad as last year when they were champions and they have spent a lot of money. Conte may not have got the exact players he wanted but there is still £150m worth of new signings there.

We could actually finish 5th


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Going to be interesting what PSG do this summer. £300m spent on Neymar and Mbappe. There is no way that gets past FFP, or if it does we should just all give up this game.

I’d take a few of their players if they are forced in to a fire sale


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I spoke too soon. Chelsea now 3-2 up, Giroud has come on and turned the game with 2 goals


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Glimmers in Arsenal of a team one might start to connect with again. Elneny is becoming a really decent and likeable player. Enjoying Welbeck's recent run. Ramsey is approaching his best again.

Ramsey should be skipper under the new manager when he arrives. Miles more effective than Wilshere imo, who I think is done at Arsenal.

Welbeck is not the greatest but is a really honest, committed player who I really feel an engagement with. He's Miller's favourite player by a mile and he met him last week after the Soton game. Lovely, quiet guy. I like him and think he's been really effective of late.

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That's right Putin eat those Tomahawks ! !!!!!


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Darren Ramsey will be gone before a new manager arrives but I feel you might be right. There's evidence to suggest he's a good player Wenger hasn't used correctly


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Congratulations to Wolves on getting promoted. A club with a great history, glad to see them back in the top division.


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Post #304502  Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:47 pm 

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Congratulations to Wolves on getting promoted. A club with a great history, glad to see them back in the top division.

I'm also glad Wolves are up and I hope Fulham join them. I know some here have an affinity with Brentford but I was disappointed they got a late equaliser at Craven Cottage to cost Fulham two points.

I also hope Huddersfield stay up. Moreover, if they do Wagner gets my vote as the manager of the season. In my view keeping a club like that up is more of an achievement than anything the likes of Guardiola, Klopp or Pochetinno have done. Dyche at Burnley is in second place for me.


  
 
 
Post #304503  Posted: Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:53 pm 

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Welbeck is not the greatest but is a really honest, committed player who I really feel an engagement with. He's Miller's favourite player by a mile and he met him last week after the Soton game. Lovely, quiet guy. I like him and think he's been really effective of late.

Welbeck is my favourite current player too. He's not the world's best player but I think he's much better than some give him credit for.


  
 
 
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Darren Ramsey will be gone before a new manager arrives but I feel you might be right. There's evidence to suggest he's a good player Wenger hasn't used correctly


He can't be gone, even before ever arriving at Arsenal? Perhaps his brother Aaron might a say about that too :icon_mrgreen:

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Congrats to Wolves for promotion. When I first became a fan of the sport and league I thought "that's a cool name". I knew an old timer who remembered them as one of his favorite clubs in the late 50s. Their heyday I think. I will remember them beating Man Utd, I can't recall which season. '04, '05 or '06 but I think they had a couple Man Utd old boys on their squad at the time.

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Missed most of the matches from traveling and looked at the table which I haven't in a while and notice that its possible for us to get overtaken by Burnley. I'd actually laugh if we did. It would probably also cement Wenger being asked to leave.

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Clear peno not given. How did the ref miss it?

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Lovely link up between Aubameyang and Lacazette for the goal.

Aubameyang looks ok out on the left wing. Hugs the touchline and brings things we usually miss from our wideplayers


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Lovely link up between Aubameyang and Lacazette for the goal.

Aubameyang looks ok out on the left wing. Hugs the touchline and brings things we usually miss from our wideplayers


It was a very good lob from Mustafi too

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Not a surprise to concede. Shaky defence.

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Post #304511  Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:02 pm 
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1-1
Didn’t learn from the balls they’ve been playing over the top to runners

Thought we’d been playing well, generally controlling the game, but with arsenal the opposition are always likely to score a goal at any moment


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They are attacking our weakest link, Chambers

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Post #304513  Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:04 pm 
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Couple of late tackles from Newcastle no yellows yet. Expect one for arsenal very soon


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Chambers squandering two good chances from set pieces


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4 on 1 attack and willock completely misses his kick.

That really should have been a goal. So many options and ways we could have scored then.

So wasteful arsenal


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why didn't Lacazette have a shot ...?


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Such a shame Lacazette found Willock with that pass through on goal, but this is why it’s difficult for young players to get starts, and I don’t mind if Willock ultimately breaks through. Not sure he will mind, but Iwobi is a good template for him.


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Haha

So pathetic at the back.

Nothing in this game, no pressure but we can certainly give up a goal at any time to any team.


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Poor, poor defending! 2-1


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How many games is it now that we have been leading away from home to be pegged back to a few or defeat?

This is so likely to end 2-1. Most teams tend to give that little bit more when they have a victory to hold on to, with arsenal it means we switch off


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