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Post #490241  Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2022 1:26 pm 
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Watched MOTD last night. After the Leeds game, as was always the case, their now dismissed manager Bielsa gave his post-match interview via an interpreter. He was in charge at Leeds in excess of 3 years 8 months, so approaching four years (15/6/18 - 27/2/22).

I remember Emery getting criticised here for not taking to the English language quickly enough. Well he was at Arsenal a little more than eighteen months (23/5/18 - 29/11/19). But he was giving his post-match interviews in English and made himself easy to understand, so spoke the dialect quite competently.

I wonder what the reaction to Bielsa would have been from some of our fans here?


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I wonder what the reaction to Bielsa would have been from some of our fans here?


I guess it would entirely be informed by performances and results.


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No point in having VAR if the person watching the screen is inept. Everton totally robbed by the no handball decision.

I thought so too at first, but then I noticed the ref indicating offside as he finally waved the goal off. Apparently Richarlison was deemed offside in the build-up that lead to the handball. There seemed to be some confusion about it, because the speaker at Goodison Park said it had been ruled as no handball.

Some confusion? Dead right. Everybody, including the managers, still thought handball was the decision well after the game.

If it was given for offside then they need to communicate a whole lot better.

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Ash wrote:
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I wonder what the reaction to Bielsa would have been from some of our fans here?


I guess it would entirely be informed by performances and results.

If I recall correctly, the issue with Emery wasn't that we couldn't understand what he was saying, although that did not help Rather it was that we could not understand what he was trying to do with the team.

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Aubameyang scores for Barca again
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I guess it would entirely be informed by performances and results.

If I recall correctly, the issue with Emery wasn't that we couldn't understand what he was saying, although that did not help Rather it was that we could not understand what he was trying to do with the team.

You certainly couldn't say that about Bielsa. Leeds have a very distinctive style which the players work hard at to execute.

I know Bielsa is lauded by the media and by Pep and Arteta. But I would have my doubts. It might be exciting to watch but that high risk football is hugely difficult to execute against teams with better players. There is absolutely no defensive pragmatism to how he gets his teams to play, and to compound it, he won't change even when he is forced to play the kids when missing some of the experienced regulars.

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If I recall correctly, the issue with Emery wasn't that we couldn't understand what he was saying, although that did not help Rather it was that we could not understand what he was trying to do with the team.

You certainly couldn't say that about Bielsa. Leeds have a very distinctive style which the players work hard at to execute.

I know Bielsa is lauded by the media and by Pep and Arteta. But I would have my doubts. It might be exciting to watch but that high risk football is hugely difficult to execute against teams with better players. There is absolutely no defensive pragmatism to how he gets his teams to play, and to compound it, he won't change even when he is forced to play the kids when missing some of the experienced regulars.


I didn’t mind that too much to be fair :laughing7:


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If I recall correctly, the issue with Emery wasn't that we couldn't understand what he was saying, although that did not help Rather it was that we could not understand what he was trying to do with the team.

I certainly do recall Emery being criticised for his English.


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Arsenal womens team beat Liverpool overnight. Check out this screamer from Katie Mccabe on a full volley. Arsenal mens team take notes..

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So the world has to watch Ukraine getting torn to pieces like it’s some sort of sporting event whilst one of the globes largest armies uses hi tech weapons to blow up blocks of flats of people. You can’t avoid it on the tv and radio a feel like some sort of voyeur when you hear about the carnage.

Every western politician should be painted in Ukrainian colours and dumped in Kyiv. Complete bunch of *%^@*** failures the lot of them. Also likewise for any of the dinlows supporting obvious Russian foreign policy initiatives like *%^@*** brexit, trump and covid denial. Take a look at yourselves you absolute total and utter morons.

Boot every *%^@*** Russian out the country, take their money, property in west London the lot. An absolute failure in humanity.

Thousands of deaths for what, absolutely *%^@*** nothing. If you think we can solve issues like climate change you are kidding yourselves. The world is an evil place.

and I bet you were just as outraged when the RAF bombed Belgrade for nearly three months or when the Yanks killed nearly three hundred thousand Iraqi women and children or created a humanitarian crisis in Syria

Stupid beyond belief , you have absolutely no idea what is going on


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If I recall correctly, the issue with Emery wasn't that we couldn't understand what he was saying, although that did not help Rather it was that we could not understand what he was trying to do with the team.

You certainly couldn't say that about Bielsa. Leeds have a very distinctive style which the players work hard at to execute.

I know Bielsa is lauded by the media and by Pep and Arteta. But I would have my doubts. It might be exciting to watch but that high risk football is hugely difficult to execute against teams with better players. There is absolutely no defensive pragmatism to how he gets his teams to play, and to compound it, he won't change even when he is forced to play the kids when missing some of the experienced regulars.

Bielsa is the godfather of coaching - his blueprint is the basis for the methods of some of the world’s best coaches ( Klopp, Guardiola, pochettino etc)
Leeds’ problem is he is the purest form of himself, whereas others have taken his philosophy and adapted it.
If he had been able to adapt I think he would have continued to take Leeds forward
IMHO we shouldn’t take Leeds as the legacy of Bielsa’s contribution to world football

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Sorry, was just listening to radio 5 and it’s really hard listening to these poor poor *%^@ers begging for help that won’t be coming...
Yes, being serious now, it feels depressingly helpless for the innocents involved. The only consolation is that even if Putin wins the battle he has surely signed Russia up to a long-term war that will drain them dry. Apparently there are already thousands of dead Russian soldiers, and the Ukrainians will fight hard to defend their lives. Abramovich is ok though...

Not one of your better efforts Old Man . Try some thing other than the BBC World Service .
Russians wont be drained dry at all , they'll consolidate all the Russian speaking areas and leave the Western Ukraine alone .

Thousands of dead Russians ... Ha ha ha stop it my sides hurt ..who wrote that one Tom Clancy .

All these sanctions will backfire .... England cancels Aeroflot fights into London etc ... Russia Okay you can't use our air space a 5 hour extension on a flight to Asia . Cancelled Nord Stream 2 ...how clever ...... now watch your energy costs in the UK start to rise .
Biden , Blinken , Liz Truss , Boris , Scholz had plenty of opportunity to avert this .


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So the world has to watch Ukraine getting torn to pieces like it’s some sort of sporting event whilst one of the globes largest armies uses hi tech weapons to blow up blocks of flats of people. You can’t avoid it on the tv and radio a feel like some sort of voyeur when you hear about the carnage.

Every western politician should be painted in Ukrainian colours and dumped in Kyiv. Complete bunch of *%^@*** failures the lot of them. Also likewise for any of the dinlows supporting obvious Russian foreign policy initiatives like *%^@*** brexit, trump and covid denial. Take a look at yourselves you absolute total and utter morons.

Boot every *%^@*** Russian out the country, take their money, property in west London the lot. An absolute failure in humanity.

Thousands of deaths for what, absolutely *%^@*** nothing. If you think we can solve issues like climate change you are kidding yourselves. The world is an evil place.

and I bet you were just as outraged when the RAF bombed Belgrade for nearly three months or when the Yanks killed nearly three hundred thousand Iraqi women and children or created a humanitarian crisis in Syria

Stupid beyond belief , you have absolutely no idea what is going on

I'm amazed that you are so convinced that you do know what is going on, considering how often you are wrong.

I watch a variety of news sources and feeds for analysis. I find it hard to be as certain as you seem to be, but right now I find it hard to draw any other conclusion than that what is at the bottom of this is Putin's dangerous ambition to restore a mad version of orthodox Christendom, and avenge the wrongs that he sees Russia as having experienced down the centuries. Do you actually listen to his speeches? He's scary as *(&( and batshit mad. He literally sees himself as the success to St Vladimir of Kiev. Its as bonkers and far more dangerous that Mussolini's Caesar delusions.

The rest is just whataboutism, bunk and pretext.

I don't envy Biden and other responsible leader. Their job is to somehow contain this nutter without sparking a full nuclear Armageddon.

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kiwipete wrote:
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So the world has to watch Ukraine getting torn to pieces like it’s some sort of sporting event whilst one of the globes largest armies uses hi tech weapons to blow up blocks of flats of people. You can’t avoid it on the tv and radio a feel like some sort of voyeur when you hear about the carnage.

Every western politician should be painted in Ukrainian colours and dumped in Kyiv. Complete bunch of *%^@*** failures the lot of them. Also likewise for any of the dinlows supporting obvious Russian foreign policy initiatives like *%^@*** brexit, trump and covid denial. Take a look at yourselves you absolute total and utter morons.

Boot every *%^@*** Russian out the country, take their money, property in west London the lot. An absolute failure in humanity.

Thousands of deaths for what, absolutely *%^@*** nothing. If you think we can solve issues like climate change you are kidding yourselves. The world is an evil place.

and I bet you were just as outraged when the RAF bombed Belgrade for nearly three months or when the Yanks killed nearly three hundred thousand Iraqi women and children or created a humanitarian crisis in Syria

Stupid beyond belief , you have absolutely no idea what is going on


What planet are you on. If you are comparing this as a similar event to the nato bombing of Yugoslavia to stop ethnic cleansing you are simply not worth speaking to. Resorting to Dropping bombs is a political failure as far as I see it, aiming rockets deliberately at housing blocks of innocents is a war crime and act of evil. Sort yourself out.


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Kulusevski looks a good buy for Spurs, we were linked with him, although the prices when we were rumoured to be linked were £30m, Spurs have paid £10m loan fee with a £40m option to buy. Either way he looks a good fit for them and young at only 21.


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Kulusevski looks a good buy for Spurs, we were linked with him, although the prices when we were rumoured to be linked were £30m, Spurs have paid £10m loan fee with a £40m option to buy. Either way he looks a good fit for them and young at only 21.

Really hate the fact that he went to Spurs. Speaking as a Swede, we actually have a very interesting attack forming with Kulusevski, Isak, Elanga and Forsberg. For so many years the national team was ten plonkers and Ibrahimovic. Would really like Kulusevski and Elanga to succeed, but not at the clubs they're currently at.


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Forum update.

I have just optimised the tables, increased the forums memory (It's double now), and doubled it's storage space.

It should be more responsive now.

Thank God for that. Double the forums memory and storage space will do doubt allow me to find the car keys, recall what i was supposed to collect at the supermarket and remember appointments.
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Has he really done all this? The tables don't look optimised to me. We are still only 6th and Spurs are not bottom of league 2.

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TOP GUN wrote:
So the world has to watch Ukraine getting torn to pieces like it’s some sort of sporting event whilst one of the globes largest armies uses hi tech weapons to blow up blocks of flats of people. You can’t avoid it on the tv and radio a feel like some sort of voyeur when you hear about the carnage.

Every western politician should be painted in Ukrainian colours and dumped in Kyiv. Complete bunch of *%^@*** failures the lot of them. Also likewise for any of the dinlows supporting obvious Russian foreign policy initiatives like *%^@*** brexit, trump and covid denial. Take a look at yourselves you absolute total and utter morons.

Boot every *%^@*** Russian out the country, take their money, property in west London the lot. An absolute failure in humanity.

Thousands of deaths for what, absolutely *%^@*** nothing. If you think we can solve issues like climate change you are kidding yourselves. The world is an evil place.


I would hold back on 'every Russian' because clearly there is opposition ... but there are an awful lot of expatriate Russians who have benefitted from the klepto-petro state that Yelstin created and Putin has become the don of it all. It wasn't just the big oligarchs that benefitted from the asset stripping that happened in Eastern Europe in the 1990s. Factory managers, scrap metal dealers, army officers, etc. made a killing.

My dad and I were talking about it the other night. Even in Zim there was an influx of very dodgy nouveau riche Russians in the 1990s with money to burn and indeterminate occupations.

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Decaf wrote:
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So the world has to watch Ukraine getting torn to pieces like it’s some sort of sporting event whilst one of the globes largest armies uses hi tech weapons to blow up blocks of flats of people. You can’t avoid it on the tv and radio a feel like some sort of voyeur when you hear about the carnage.

Every western politician should be painted in Ukrainian colours and dumped in Kyiv. Complete bunch of *%^@*** failures the lot of them. Also likewise for any of the dinlows supporting obvious Russian foreign policy initiatives like *%^@*** brexit, trump and covid denial. Take a look at yourselves you absolute total and utter morons.

Boot every *%^@*** Russian out the country, take their money, property in west London the lot. An absolute failure in humanity.

Thousands of deaths for what, absolutely *%^@*** nothing. If you think we can solve issues like climate change you are kidding yourselves. The world is an evil place.


I would hold back on 'every Russian' because clearly there is opposition .


No boot the lot. The *%^@*** lot.

Because there’s always opposition but nothing ever happens with them and after Putin there will be another nutter, then another nutter then another in a never ending cycle until we find one that is happy to press the red button rather than just threaten it.

You have your part of the world and we will have ours and just leave it at that, no more killing.


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I would hold back on 'every Russian' because clearly there is opposition .


No boot the lot. The *%^@*** lot.

Because there’s always opposition but nothing ever happens with them and after Putin there will be another nutter, then another nutter then another in a never ending cycle until we find one that is happy to press the red button rather than just threaten it.

You have your part of the world and we will have ours and just leave it at that, no more killing.

Disagree. If you send them back they'll end up whatever the modern equivalent of salt mines if they are lucky. You area also running the risk of alienating moderate Russians and playing into the hypernationalist narrative that Putin thrives on.

External regime change is never going to work. You have to hope that if Putin falls, there will be an internal shift to a more moderate position and those who are opposed to Putin's militarism need to feel that they are supported in the West.

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I would hold back on 'every Russian' because clearly there is opposition .


No boot the lot. The *%^@*** lot.

Because there’s always opposition but nothing ever happens with them and after Putin there will be another nutter, then another nutter then another in a never ending cycle until we find one that is happy to press the red button rather than just threaten it.

You have your part of the world and we will have ours and just leave it at that, no more killing.


Also, what in Putin's mind, is 'their part of the world'? Where are the boundaries in his mind?

I'd be feeling more than a bit nervous if I was one of Russia's other neighbours at the moment. I think avoiding the idea of 'Russians against everyone else' is of paramount importance.

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Season ticket prices going up by 4% next year. Get us back in the Champions League and I'm sure those with season tickets will find that a lot easier to swallow


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Decaf wrote:
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No boot the lot. The *%^@*** lot.

Because there’s always opposition but nothing ever happens with them and after Putin there will be another nutter, then another nutter then another in a never ending cycle until we find one that is happy to press the red button rather than just threaten it.

You have your part of the world and we will have ours and just leave it at that, no more killing.

Disagree. If you send them back they'll end up whatever the modern equivalent of salt mines if they are lucky. You area also running the risk of alienating moderate Russians and playing into the hypernationalist narrative that Putin thrives on.

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You’ll just keep getting more election interference, political interference more disruption and acquisition of property and things of national importance. I can’t see how it’s rich oligarchs should benefit from the benefits of the west whilst beholding to a murderer.

Something needs to be done to bring them back to the table. Whilst he thinks there are no consequences this won’t end.


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Disagree. If you send them back they'll end up whatever the modern equivalent of salt mines if they are lucky. You area also running the risk of alienating moderate Russians and playing into the hypernationalist narrative that Putin thrives on.

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You’ll just keep getting more election interference, political interference more disruption and acquisition of property and things of national importance. I can’t see how it’s rich oligarchs should benefit from the benefits of the west whilst beholding to a murderer.

Something needs to be done to bring them back to the table. Whilst he thinks there are no consequences this won’t end.

Definitely. Sanction those with connection to the regime and with ill-gotten wealth. Subject suspiciously wealthy Russian to to wealth and lifestyle audits. I am sure potential Russian spy networks are under close scrutiny.

But what good would expelling working class and professional Russians do (such as footballers, academics, doctors, etc), and on what legal ground would it be done? The UK isn't even at war with Russia and the UN (bless it) hasn't even managed to pass a resolution against it.

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No point in having VAR if the person watching the screen is inept. Everton totally robbed by the no handball decision.

I thought so too at first, but then I noticed the ref indicating offside as he finally waved the goal off. Apparently Richarlison was deemed offside in the build-up that lead to the handball. There seemed to be some confusion about it, because the speaker at Goodison Park said it had been ruled as no handball.

Nope. Turns out that it really was about handball. Ludicrous.


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Never heard of this chant before. I got a laugh out of it.


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...okay, looking at some other videos, its not as unique as I thought. Funny though. I am watching a video of chants of our fans singing "Is there a fire drill" as Sperz fans are leaving. I think I've heard of that one before, but its funniest when its our fans singing it.

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So abramovich is in Belarus for the peace talks despite him having nothing to do with Putin eh ?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... s-say.html

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You’ll just keep getting more election interference, political interference more disruption and acquisition of property and things of national importance. I can’t see how it’s rich oligarchs should benefit from the benefits of the west whilst beholding to a murderer.

Something needs to be done to bring them back to the table. Whilst he thinks there are no consequences this won’t end.

It's the political interference that is so dangerous. They have been doing it since about 2012. They've infiltrated UK politics at an insidious level, bankrolling and wining/dining with the Tories. They leaked the Clinton emails, bankrolled Leave.eu during the referendum etc. All to weaken the west and destabilise the EU in an attempt to re-strengthen Russian influence in the region. Hopefully a positive from this dreadful period is that we lose the enthusiasm for populism and we never see the likes of Farage, Arron Banks and their ilk again. They've been in the back pocket of Russia for too long, even posting pro-putin tweets just before the invasion. I hope this is moment we have some kind of reset. Obviously won't happen here for a while as we have those idiots in charge, but slowly but surely we move to a more moderate time.

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You’ll just keep getting more election interference, political interference more disruption and acquisition of property and things of national importance. I can’t see how it’s rich oligarchs should benefit from the benefits of the west whilst beholding to a murderer.

Something needs to be done to bring them back to the table. Whilst he thinks there are no consequences this won’t end.

It's the political interference that is so dangerous. They have been doing it since about 2012. They've infiltrated UK politics at an insidious level, bankrolling and wining/dining with the Tories. They leaked the Clinton emails, bankrolled Leave.eu during the referendum etc. All to weaken the west and destabilise the EU in an attempt to re-strengthen Russian influence in the region. Hopefully a positive from this dreadful period is that we lose the enthusiasm for populism and we never see the likes of Farage, Arron Banks and their ilk again. They've been in the back pocket of Russia for too long, even posting pro-putin tweets just before the invasion. I hope this is moment we have some kind of reset. Obviously won't happen here for a while as we have those idiots in charge, but slowly but surely we move to a more moderate time.


Spot on.

Farage, Banks and the other Leave.EU cronies should be investigated for treason.

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You’ll just keep getting more election interference, political interference more disruption and acquisition of property and things of national importance. I can’t see how it’s rich oligarchs should benefit from the benefits of the west whilst beholding to a murderer.

Something needs to be done to bring them back to the table. Whilst he thinks there are no consequences this won’t end.

It's the political interference that is so dangerous. They have been doing it since about 2012. They've infiltrated UK politics at an insidious level, bankrolling and wining/dining with the Tories. They leaked the Clinton emails, bankrolled Leave.eu during the referendum etc. All to weaken the west and destabilise the EU in an attempt to re-strengthen Russian influence in the region. Hopefully a positive from this dreadful period is that we lose the enthusiasm for populism and we never see the likes of Farage, Arron Banks and their ilk again. They've been in the back pocket of Russia for too long, even posting pro-putin tweets just before the invasion. I hope this is moment we have some kind of reset. Obviously won't happen here for a while as we have those idiots in charge, but slowly but surely we move to a more moderate time.


Politicians in democracies can't deal with the poison unless they have strong electoral mandates. I just cannot see common sense and decency breaking out in a sufficient scale.

The damage of polarisation and echo-chambers is so hard to undo. People on social media are fitting Ukraine into their pre-arranged worldviews, and being fed by the same propaganda and (presumably good faith) voices on the far left and the right. The least hint that there should be any responsibility on social media or in political discourse, let alone trying to deal with the Farages and Trumps of the world, and there is a hysterical backlash from the silly left and the right (Neil Young being 'cancelled' for example). Also, people don't stay outraged for long when they are not directly involved.

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Darren wrote:
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You’ll just keep getting more election interference, political interference more disruption and acquisition of property and things of national importance. I can’t see how it’s rich oligarchs should benefit from the benefits of the west whilst beholding to a murderer.

Something needs to be done to bring them back to the table. Whilst he thinks there are no consequences this won’t end.

It's the political interference that is so dangerous. They have been doing it since about 2012. They've infiltrated UK politics at an insidious level, bankrolling and wining/dining with the Tories. They leaked the Clinton emails, bankrolled Leave.eu during the referendum etc. All to weaken the west and destabilise the EU in an attempt to re-strengthen Russian influence in the region. Hopefully a positive from this dreadful period is that we lose the enthusiasm for populism and we never see the likes of Farage, Arron Banks and their ilk again. They've been in the back pocket of Russia for too long, even posting pro-putin tweets just before the invasion. I hope this is moment we have some kind of reset. Obviously won't happen here for a while as we have those idiots in charge, but slowly but surely we move to a more moderate time.


I agree with all this Darren. The discrete (but very significant) Russian financial support for Brexit leaves Farage incapable of denouncing the invasion; check his most recent lickspittle quotes in addresses to far right Americans.

On a slightly more cautious note though, while we're all gung-ho and ready to consider anything at all to piss off the Russian bear, it might be worth bearing in mind that State sponsored hacking has been a trademark of Russian foreign policy for a while now. They’re pretty good at it and a few well-aimed ‘interventions’ could really screw up our systems.

I hope I'm not introducing a whole new level of paranoia but does anyone really know why BA cancelled all their flights on Saturday? Tech issues? Sure about that?


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The Russian ambassador to the UN is speaking now. Best line so far went something like this: "the Russian forces in Ukraine reserve the right to self-defence".

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Darren wrote:
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You’ll just keep getting more election interference, political interference more disruption and acquisition of property and things of national importance. I can’t see how it’s rich oligarchs should benefit from the benefits of the west whilst beholding to a murderer.

Something needs to be done to bring them back to the table. Whilst he thinks there are no consequences this won’t end.

It's the political interference that is so dangerous. They have been doing it since about 2012. They've infiltrated UK politics at an insidious level, bankrolling and wining/dining with the Tories. They leaked the Clinton emails, bankrolled Leave.eu during the referendum etc. All to weaken the west and destabilise the EU in an attempt to re-strengthen Russian influence in the region. Hopefully a positive from this dreadful period is that we lose the enthusiasm for populism and we never see the likes of Farage, Arron Banks and their ilk again. They've been in the back pocket of Russia for too long, even posting pro-putin tweets just before the invasion. I hope this is moment we have some kind of reset. Obviously won't happen here for a while as we have those idiots in charge, but slowly but surely we move to a more moderate time.


No chance the idiots are here to stay I’m afraid the horse has bolted and after the current cabinet are gone The next PM will come from the ERG lot whose priorities are covid “recovery” , climate change denial and restoration of the death penalty. No wonder Vlad has a free run on Europe.

Embracing disinformation inspired from overseas and ridiculous populist inspired social agendas has become a key part of the English mindset. It’s not going away now.


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I just saw this headline on The Guardian website:

'Russia-Ukraine war latest news: Putin ‘willing to consider’ halting attacks on civilians, says France'

...thats jolly decent of him I have to say


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The SWIFT ban on Russia is sad news for GOP fundraising though.


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