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Post #381001  Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2023 5:50 am 
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Thanks Andy. Good on you son I will check some of those out. Not sure how I’ve missed Bryant park before.

Never been to Philly, what’s it like ? I love their cheesesteaks ! How did you end up on that side of the pond if you don’t mind me asking ? I’m in the US quite often as I work for a US companies so always interested in hearing about Anglo US relations. I kind of fantasise about retiring down the gulf coast when my working days are done. Spend my final years down in margaritaville searching for my lost shaker of salt


"some people claim there's a woman to blame...but I know its my own damn fault"...Gulf Coast is brilliant to visit but before you commit...Hurricane Season over here gets longer every year and they get more powerful. You can't reason with Hurricane Season

In the late 80's I was working for Mecca Bookmakers in London. We had about 1200 shops country-wide.
We (my brother and a few mates) had the expertise and saw an opportunity to open betting shops in the USA and went for it. At that time to legally operate off track betting in any State of the Union you had to own a race track. At that time we identified two options...both in States where off track betting was legal....Pennsylvania (Philadelphia Park Racetrack) and Louisiana (Fairgrounds in New Orleans)
One thing led to another and we sold everything we owned, borrowed a big chunk of money and bought Philadelphia Park. This gave us the exclusive right to open and operate 6 Betting Shops in and around Philadelphia (then the fourth biggest City in America...now overtaken by Houston and Phoenix)

We designed and opened them in a fashion that you would never recognize in the UK....ours were enormous (30,000 square feet), elegant units with a full service restaurant, two bars, food court, comfortable lounges with cocktail service and about a million TV's with live racing from across the globe with all the attendant betting information. They were enormously successful in their day but the proliferation of Casino gaming and legalised Sports Betting in PA and neighbouring states (like NJ and Delaware) did them in. We had anticipated this and got ourselves in the front of the queue for a Casino license at our racetrack and opened 15 or so years ago.....Fast Forward to today........

Parx Casino of which I hold the grand title of Vice President is the most successful casino in this region (which includes Atlantic City)

3500 Slot Machines
120 Tables (Blackjack, Craps, Baccarat etc.)
80 Poker Tables
1500 Seat Concert Arena
Food Court
6 restaurants (Asian, Steakhouse, Pub etc.)
Beer Garden
Sportsbook
Thriving igaming business
Hotel in the design stage
2800 Employees

That's it in a nutshell. We were supposed to be in and out in 3/5 years...make our money and bugger off back to Blighty. Here I am 33 years and counting later ...life got in the way of our plans!

That’s a really great story Andy, you must have a pair on you to go over there and set up like that. Pretty incredible really.

I bet there must have been some challenging moments in those early days right. To make such a jump where it’s all or nothing must have been interesting to say the least. Not just a new business but new country.

Whilst being a businessmen I have always worked for companies rather than setting up my own shop. I do wonder if it’s something I will regret in later life.


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Post #381002  Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2023 6:37 am 
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That is an amazing story Andy. I'm well impressed. Ever thought of selling it all and buying Arsenal instead....?


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There are a number of stories in the media that Havartz is our highest earning player by a long way. I hope they are false.

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Post #381004  Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2023 10:42 am 
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I have a hunch there’s going to be a LOT of egg on faces amongst our fans about Mr Havertz


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What a brilliant story Andy.
You saw an opportunity and went for it and succeeded.
Takes huge balls that does.
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What a brilliant story Andy.
You saw an opportunity and went for it and succeeded.
Takes huge balls that does.
Nice to see a Gooner doing well!



Cheers david d and others

I aint that smart.......what I didn't tell you in my story is that we lost our original funding (the collapse of the junk bond market scuppered us)....I'm not the one to discuss that with as high finance is way above my pay grade....any event we were right in the nick...we couldn't complete the purchase of Philadelphia Park and were being hit with brutal financial penalties for that failure to complete...we were on the ropes and for a while looked like we would have to go back home with our tails well and truly between our legs....long story short we were introduced to an extremely wealthy bloke who put up the $50 million or so and we purchased the track. However in so doing we ceded much of our equity in return for his money

So the business today is worth conservatively $2 billion.....if things had have gone our way I would own 2% of the Company. That said I've done fine …we got well paid and bonused over the years and I have no regrets. Would've been a better ending if the six of us had held on to our shares but that's life.
I have had a blast.

Currently I am very homesick....time to go home....my love affair with Philly is on the wane (see last nights headlines....5 shot dead)

Next 18 months I'm back....not sure yet where ….I'm leaning towards Hove....my sister lives in Brighton and my eldest up the coast in Rustington...or somewhere Teddington, Hampton Wick, Esher area....my niece lives in Teddington and I've been a few times....its really lovely

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
There are a number of stories in the media that Havartz is our highest earning player by a long way. I hope they are false.

I’m sure he will be near the top. He’d have been on big wages at Chelsea and you don’t earn small money when you move for £65m. I’d expect him in the top 3 earners.
I also saw a rumour that that story about him being on huge wages was from Germany and a very pro Bayern media who like to churn these kind of stories to players deemed to have ‘rejected’ Bayern


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Post #381008  Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2023 4:33 pm 
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Payment structure for Rice is supposedly done. Agreed over 2 years or 3 accounting periods which Arsenal wanted to balance the books. Still the same amount coming out but it works better for the accountants.

I expect Arsenal to make quite the song and dance about signing Rice.


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So, that's how you got to my city Andy? Great story. Before lotto, one of the races at Philadelphia Park was used to provide the daily numbers for what mafia movies call 'the rackets'. The 3 numbers need to be 3 numbers you can't create. The last 3 numbers of the Inquirer was one and I can't fully recall which races but the numbers of the first 3 horses to win, place and show for one of the races was used as legend says.

I got out of Philly as soon as I could in HS. My family that's left has moved out to the suburbs of Montgomery county. Best adjective I heard a non Philly person describe it was 'gritty'. My mom moved back after my father passed and now visit the area at least once a year. It's changed a lot in some places. The Fishtown area was once a very gritty, there goes that word again, area and now it looks like South Street with great bars, and places to go. Northern Liberties was very different. Roxborough the most. It was very working class, tough area, now it also has a lot of bars, social places.

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In the last 3 seasons Partey has missed 37 games through injury. Rice has missed 0.

The Arteta-type player is more and more clear with every window.
Injury robustness, athletic, flexible, intelligent, mobile, young(!), hard working…..and I’m all for it


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Post #381011  Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2023 7:27 pm 
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Rich wrote:
In the last 3 seasons Partey has missed 37 games through injury. Rice has missed 0.


Touch wood!

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Rich wrote:
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There are a number of stories in the media that Havartz is our highest earning player by a long way. I hope they are false.

I’m sure he will be near the top. He’d have been on big wages at Chelsea and you don’t earn small money when you move for £65m. I’d expect him in the top 3 earners.
I also saw a rumour that that story about him being on huge wages was from Germany and a very pro Bayern media who like to churn these kind of stories to players deemed to have ‘rejected’ Bayern

Yes I hope that explains it because if some of the figures reported are true it could lead to some unhappy players at the club. For instance one report is he is on 330k per week and Saka on 190k. That must be false. Surely, Saka, Rice, Jesus, Ødegaard, Saliba must all earn near the same figure, with Martenelli just a little below them.

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Really interesting pod on how we’re financing all this activity and the set up the past few years https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/w ... 0619069144

Knows his stuff does nigel Phillips , met him and had a good chat at Bernard’s funeral


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Post #381014  Posted: Tue Jul 04, 2023 11:48 pm 
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:laughing7: :laughing7: : I love it ; nice little cyclone in a tea cup erupting in the Ashes

Bairstow lets a bowl go past him ; thinking play is dead he wanders off down the pitch to do the mandatory fist bump or some other inconsequential action

Aussie keeper fires ball back , knocks over the stumps ....... Bairstow run out .

Aussie wins the test

MCC members chanting CHEATS CHEATS .....Rishi Sunak's involved ; Geoff Boycott waffling about the 1932 Bodyline , mutterings about Australia's criminal past .

Aussie media chortling typical whinging Poms .... great theatre

Probably the submarine deal will be cancelled ..... break in diplomatic relations .

Will be an interesting Test in Yorkshire next up .

Where the hell are our cricket aficionados Daz and Old Hoy when you need them


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:laughing7: :laughing7: : I love it ; nice little cyclone in a tea cup erupting in the Ashes

Bairstow lets a bowl go past him ; thinking play is dead he wanders off down the pitch to do the mandatory fist bump or some other inconsequential action

Aussie keeper fires ball back , knocks over the stumps ....... Bairstow run out .

Aussie wins the test

MCC members chanting CHEATS CHEATS .....Rishi Sunak's involved ; Geoff Boycott waffling about the 1932 Bodyline , mutterings about Australia's criminal past .

Aussie media chortling typical whinging Poms .... great theatre

Probably the submarine deal will be cancelled ..... break in diplomatic relations .

Will be an interesting Test in Yorkshire next up .

Where the hell are our cricket aficionados Daz and Old Hoy when you need them

Good to see test cricket being taken seriously! It's dying down here.

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Rich wrote:
Payment structure for Rice is supposedly done. Agreed over 2 years or 3 accounting periods which Arsenal wanted to balance the books. Still the same amount coming out but it works better for the accountants.

I expect Arsenal to make quite the song and dance about signing Rice.


Still won’t be the most famous Arsenal Rice though , let’s not forget that


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If buying Kai is to replace Xhaka, why couldn't Trossard slot in there? Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about him now after being underwhelmed about the idea early on. That seemingly small tactical change will reap benefits for us I think. Fact is, even though he improved, we should have gotten more out of Xhaka in that more advanced position.

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Pete on the beach wrote:
Rich wrote:
Payment structure for Rice is supposedly done. Agreed over 2 years or 3 accounting periods which Arsenal wanted to balance the books. Still the same amount coming out but it works better for the accountants.

I expect Arsenal to make quite the song and dance about signing Rice.


Still won’t be the most famous Arsenal Rice though , let’s not forget that


Rice all over the Heighway.


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Andy Green wrote:
david.d wrote:
What a brilliant story Andy.
You saw an opportunity and went for it and succeeded.
Takes huge balls that does.
Nice to see a Gooner doing well!



Cheers david d and others

I aint that smart.......what I didn't tell you in my story is that we lost our original funding (the collapse of the junk bond market scuppered us)....I'm not the one to discuss that with as high finance is way above my pay grade....any event we were right in the nick...we couldn't complete the purchase of Philadelphia Park and were being hit with brutal financial penalties for that failure to complete...we were on the ropes and for a while looked like we would have to go back home with our tails well and truly between our legs....long story short we were introduced to an extremely wealthy bloke who put up the $50 million or so and we purchased the track. However in so doing we ceded much of our equity in return for his money

So the business today is worth conservatively $2 billion.....if things had have gone our way I would own 2% of the Company. That said I've done fine …we got well paid and bonused over the years and I have no regrets. Would've been a better ending if the six of us had held on to our shares but that's life.
I have had a blast.

Currently I am very homesick....time to go home....my love affair with Philly is on the wane (see last nights headlines....5 shot dead)

Next 18 months I'm back....not sure yet where ….I'm leaning towards Hove....my sister lives in Brighton and my eldest up the coast in Rustington...or somewhere Teddington, Hampton Wick, Esher area....my niece lives in Teddington and I've been a few times....its really lovely

Decision time coming soon.


Interesting stuff, Andy. Quite a ride! Respect.


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Decaf wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
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:laughing7: :laughing7: : I love it ; nice little cyclone in a tea cup erupting in the Ashes

Bairstow lets a bowl go past him ; thinking play is dead he wanders off down the pitch to do the mandatory fist bump or some other inconsequential action

Aussie keeper fires ball back , knocks over the stumps ....... Bairstow run out .

Aussie wins the test

MCC members chanting CHEATS CHEATS .....Rishi Sunak's involved ; Geoff Boycott waffling about the 1932 Bodyline , mutterings about Australia's criminal past .

Aussie media chortling typical whinging Poms .... great theatre

Probably the submarine deal will be cancelled ..... break in diplomatic relations .

Will be an interesting Test in Yorkshire next up .

Where the hell are our cricket aficionados Daz and Old Hoy when you need them

Good to see test cricket being taken seriously! It's dying down here.


Not sure what all the fuss was about. Bairstow was dumb and Carey was sharp. Because of that, Bairstow was out.

In essence, bowlers win matches and theirs are better than ours. If they had a sharper captain, it would all have been over much earlier.


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Decaf wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
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:laughing7: :laughing7: : I love it ; nice little cyclone in a tea cup erupting in the Ashes

Bairstow lets a bowl go past him ; thinking play is dead he wanders off

Good to see test cricket being taken seriously! It's dying down here.

Gidday Decaf ... indeed anything to spice the game up , the Bodyline , Alan Donald dropping his bat , Bolt stepping on the boundary rope , the underarm to McKechnie and this incident all help spice up the game that sometimes can be pretty hum drum .


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Not sure what all the fuss was about. Bairstow was dumb and Carey was sharp. Because of that, Bairstow was out.

I essence, bowlers win matches and theirs are better than ours. If they had a sharper captain, it would all have been over much earlier.


Nailed it DHD .... would have been better for Bairstow to say I cocked up rather than bleating about the " Spirit of the Game "

Stuart Broad's tweats about fair play are laughable when a few years back he clearly edged the ball to slip ...and refused to walk .


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Really interesting to read Andy's description of setting up a serious book-making / casino operation. I confess I’ve always had a certain fascination for gambling though it has never been something I’ve really indulged in. Few mug punts on the Grand National down the years but not much more than that. Last bet I placed was Patrick Vieira to score up at Leicester – and that went down.

Going back a while, both my grandfathers were obsessed with horse racing and it caused their families real suffering on many occasions. Imagine my grandmothers trying to feed their young families – including my parents – when the old man had blown all his wages for the week.

I met Clement Freud at Lord’s many years ago. Really interesting guy and we had a long chat over a few beers. Amongst other things (MP, Chef, TV personality, Author) he was a legendary gambler. He told me that for him, a bet had to mean something. He needed to bet a large enough sum that it would really hurt to lose. I tried that approach a couple of times and while it did hurt when I lost, I never got any sort of thrill from the process. I just couldn’t see the point. Slightly odd because I’ve taken many risks over the years in my professional life so it isn’t that aspect that put me off gambling. I suppose it’s the lack of control. Might be different if I had any sort of knowledge or understanding of what I was betting on, but I didn’t.

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https://www.parxcasino.com/

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Fabrizio Romano:
"Key factor to this deal is Declan Rice did not want to go to any kind of ‘plastic club’. His father Sean Rice is very critical of Manchester City.

Rice wants a relationship with the fans, and sees passion in the Arsenal Football Club.

Deal sealed, here we go confirmed"

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Good to see test cricket being taken seriously! It's dying down here.

Gidday Decaf ... indeed anything to spice the game up , the Bodyline , Alan Donald dropping his bat , Bolt stepping on the boundary rope , the underarm to McKechnie and this incident all help spice up the game that sometimes can be pretty hum drum .

It can be a dull. But it seems to invoke more passion than the shorter forms where the thrills are rather cheap. The Aussis seem to be absolute masters of winding everyone else up in test cricket which is all good in my book :laughing7: :laughing7:

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Really interesting to read Andy's description of setting up a serious book-making / casino operation. I confess I’ve always had a certain fascination for gambling though it has never been something I’ve really indulged in. Few mug punts on the Grand National down the years but not much more than that. Last bet I placed was Patrick Vieira to score up at Leicester – and that went down.

Going back a while, both my grandfathers were obsessed with horse racing and it caused their families real suffering on many occasions. Imagine my grandmothers trying to feed their young families – including my parents – when the old man had blown all his wages for the week.

I met Clement Freud at Lord’s many years ago. Really interesting guy and we had a long chat over a few beers. Amongst other things (MP, Chef, TV personality, Author) he was a legendary gambler. He told me that for him, a bet had to mean something. He needed to bet a large enough sum that it would really hurt to lose. I tried that approach a couple of times and while it did hurt when I lost, I never got any sort of thrill from the process. I just couldn’t see the point. Slightly odd because I’ve taken many risks over the years in my professional life so it isn’t that aspect that put me off gambling. I suppose it’s the lack of control. Might be different if I had any sort of knowledge or understanding of what I was betting on, but I didn’t.

No. Not for me.

Very interesting. I used to love having a flutter on the horses, playing poker, and betting on absolutely everything with my friends, including on one occasion, whether chicken have teeth.

If I'd been better at it I would still be doing it, but money is tight.

Lovely story, Andy.

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It is.

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Not sure what all the fuss was about. Bairstow was dumb and Carey was sharp. Because of that, Bairstow was out.

In essence, bowlers win matches and theirs are better than ours. If they had a sharper captain, it would all have been over much earlier.

England's crazy declaration in the first test kind of set the tone too.

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Decaf wrote:
DHD wrote:

Not sure what all the fuss was about. Bairstow was dumb and Carey was sharp. Because of that, Bairstow was out.

In essence, bowlers win matches and theirs are better than ours. If they had a sharper captain, it would all have been over much earlier.

England's crazy declaration in the first test kind of set the tone too.


Agree entirely Decaf - macho nonsense.

We missed out on maybe 30-50 runs for those last 2 wickets on Day 1. Those runs would have made a difference on Day 5.


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Decaf wrote:
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Gidday Decaf ... indeed anything to spice the game up , the Bodyline , Alan Donald dropping his bat , Bolt stepping on the boundary rope , the underarm to McKechnie and this incident all help spice up the game that sometimes can be pretty hum drum .

It can be a dull. But it seems to invoke more passion than the shorter forms where the thrills are rather cheap. The Aussis seem to be absolute masters of winding everyone else up in test cricket which is all good in my book :laughing7: :laughing7:

I'm not sure the Aussies are the global experts at winding up opponents anymore. As you might know, there are sections of the Australian media who perceive their current cricket representatives as being horrendously woke.

https://7news.com.au/sport/cricket/woke ... -c-9013410

Fossil-fuel sceptic Pat Cummins enjoys reading a good book every now and again. Usman Khawaja steers clear of alcohol. The legendary Dougie Walters, with extra pockets added to his safari suit for emergency packs of Peter Stuyvesant back in the day, would be bemused.

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Pete on the beach wrote:
Really interesting pod on how we’re financing all this activity and the set up the past few years https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/w ... 0619069144

Knows his stuff does nigel Phillips , met him and had a good chat at Bernard’s funeral


Really interesting stuff - thanks for the heads-up Pete.

Anyone who has any doubts about the financial backing we're currently getting from the Kroenkes should listen to this.


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A propos of nothing, just spotted this as I logged out - current status of the numbers viewing the site.

In total there are 131 Gooners online :: 3 registered, 0 hidden and 128 guests (based on Gooners active over the past 20 minutes)

Come on you silent 128 - sign up and join in. You'll be welcomed.


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Wenger statue is being commissioned for outside the Emirates


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Ornstein says Timber is done as well. £34m with £4.5m in add ons.

Getting Havertz, Rice and Timber in before we even go on our pre season tour is excellent work


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Rich wrote:
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If you do wenger then you have got to do George as far as I’m concerned.

This is why I’m not a fan of the statue for managers stuff.


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A propos of nothing, just spotted this as I logged out - current status of the numbers viewing the site.

In total there are 131 Gooners online :: 3 registered, 0 hidden and 128 guests (based on Gooners active over the past 20 minutes)

Come on you silent 128 - sign up and join in. You'll be welcomed.


Probably includes me DHD; I only log in if I want to post, otherwise I tend to be a 'visitor'.

Also I keep the SG forum tab open on my laptop all the time, so I'm probably skewing the figures.

Is it worth tweeting a link to the page? Edit: done it.

I have 800odd followers, probably 50 or more Arsenal fans.

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Post #381038  Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:01 pm 
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The defence is going to be interesting .. … looks to be the following


White } Tomiyasu
Saliba } Timber
Gabriel} Kiwior
Zinny} Tierney


Which means surely Holding has been lined up for a move away. Seems we are very strong in defence now. However We are also being linked to Jeremie Frimpong and cancelo though which means that KT will be off.


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Post #381039  Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2023 2:48 pm 
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...:laughing7: :laughing7: : I love it ; nice little cyclone in a tea cup erupting in the Ashes...Where the hell are our cricket aficionados Daz and Old Hoy when you need them
The great Vaughan has probably got it right when he says Bairstow was a bit dim walking out of his crease as he did. Although technically legal, that dismissal just didn't feel right to me. Sadly it was typical of some of England's decision-making in a series where so far we have created too many problems for ourselves and Aussie have taken advantage. Astonishingly declaring in the first innings of an Ashes series with Root and Robinson at the crease in a partnersip approAching fifty and Root 118 not out. Kamikaze batting by the top order (especially Pope and Root) in the last Test when 188-1 and in control. A ridiculous 118 extras conceded over two games. No Woakes at his home ground Edgbaston or at Lords. Persisting with Bairstow as keeper when we have a truly top-class, mobile glove man in Foakes. Positives so far for me? Only Duckett's grit, Stokes heroics and Broad's committment.

This Australian side is beatable, but you have to be more cold-eyed than this one-day England are at the moment.

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Pretty impressive.

It is.


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